I purchased some 5-htp recently, but have only tried it a couple of times (with no obvious effect), as I'm currently experimenting with the DreamBoost product (which already contains 5-htp). |
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Has anyone experimented with taking 5-HTP, the precursor to serotonin? I first heard of it in Thomas Yuschak's book and that's where I got most of the information in this post. If taken at the beginning of the night it will suppress REM in the first few hours of the night and give you REM rebound and vivid dreams for the last hours of your sleep. It has a short elimination half-life and also works well if you do WBTB or WBTB with supplements. |
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I purchased some 5-htp recently, but have only tried it a couple of times (with no obvious effect), as I'm currently experimenting with the DreamBoost product (which already contains 5-htp). |
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hmm... interesting, I just read up more in the Yuschak book about it and he says that unless it's a really large dose of B6 it shouldn't matter if you take it. How much B6 is in the supplements you've been taking Astrius? |
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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
-Jimi Hendrix
Here's what it says on the box: "Each tablet provides 100mg of 5-HTP along with other important nutrients to help 5-HTP conversion into serotonin." |
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The 5-HTP supplement I have is only 100mg of 5-HTP and nothing else. I haven't tried supplementing B6 with it (although, like you mentioned Astrius, I do have it in my body from the foods I eat), but so far just taking 5-HTP alone has made a noticable difference in my final REM periods and the vividness of the dreams during that time... |
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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
-Jimi Hendrix
Yuschak warns against taking 5-HTP with B6 because there has been speculation that doing so may lead to heart damage. However, speculation is all it is since there are no scientific studies that support it. You can find more information on the 5-HTP Facts and Fiction page. |
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i take 5htp everyday during the day and before bed and i dont notice much of a difference, i guess my dreams are more vivid thats all though |
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I tell you..I've been taking it this last week. I've seen such a major improvement in my dream recall due to the rebound effect. Its amazing how much its changed but I hope it doesnt loose its effect. I think I'll take a week on and off due to I dont want that to happen. |
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I take 5-HTP, 100mg, two or three times a week, it gives me great recall of dreams. It hasn't triggered a lucid dream for me by itself, but this may possibly be because I haven't given it much of a chance. When I first started taking it I would sleep soundly all night, and recall vivid non lucid dreams. Now a few months later when I take it I usually will wake up after 4 or 5 hours, I believe as it is wearing off. This makes it great for the WBTB method, however the last several times I have taken it I have woke up, then taken Galantamine, or L-Glutamine and Green Tea, or other supplements, I am wondering if I should have just tried the WBTB without taking anything else. Another experiement to try. |
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Yeah I tried to WILD after I woke up from it (4-5 hours) no luck. But I think its a good possible way to WILD. The dream I woke up from was so vivid and fresh in my mind I'm usually able to re-enter the dream when it's that fresh and clear! |
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This is weird to me. I've seen 5-HTP come up repeatedly in regards to inducing dream vividness, etc. I took it for quite some time as a natural anti-depressant -b/c supposedly it can be used for that - without knowing it was supposed to increase dream vividness, recall, etc. In the meantime, I did not notice any difference in my dreams, which leads me to wonder - is the effect people experience with 5-HTP on the dreams a real effect or a placebo effect? |
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I very much doubt that it's a placebo effect. |
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Last edited by spaceexplorer; 10-02-2008 at 02:58 PM.
I thought it was suppose to be taken with B6 b/c B6 help to convert it to Serotonin and then Melatonin faster. That's why you get the restorative sleep and vivid dream. |
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I might try 5-HTP over the weekend, is it possible to overdose? |
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Of course. It is possible to overdose on any substance, including water. However, the 5-HTP dose recommended by Thomas Yuschak for lucid dreaming is 100-150mg, which is relatively low. By comparison, clinical studies (for treating depression and obesity) have used doses of 300mg and even 900mg with minimal side effects. Some important caveats apply (these are usually listed on the canister). In particular, 5-HTP must not be taken with certain antidepressants such as SSRIs and MAOIs. |
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From what I've read your 5 HTP should have some B-6 in it. The B6 helps the enzymes that convert the tryptophan into serotonin. I've also come across a list of other drugs/supplements that shouldn't be taken in conjunction with 5 HTP, so that might help a bit as well. You don't want to take more than 300 mg I don't think, because you can have too much serotonin, which leads to serotonin syndrome. And from what I've read, you do need to take it right before bed if you're looking for it to affect your sleep. |
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well i just looked at my 5htp. 100mg pill has 10mg b6. |
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Lucid Dreams:-
MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
Which should I buy? : |
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I've been taking 5-HTP for a while now, and it has interesting effects. |
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The issue with the B6 is that it causes the 5HTP to be converted to serotonin in the body but not the brain, which is where you need to see the effects on sleeping. |
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I really like 5HTP. I started taking it about two weeks ago and tried a 100mg tablet before going to sleep. After about 90 minutes I would wake up with my heart pounding in my ears and a firework display behind my eyelids. I felt like I had drunk about six Red Bulls which was odd as I thought 5HTP was supposed to give you a good nights sleep! I cut the dose back until I was taking a quarter of a tab (25mg) and found that indeed I got a nice deep sleep during the first four hours followed by some long, vivid non-lucids and some short lucid dreams during the REM period. |
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