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      No traces of mass graves at treblinka? Can someone explain this to me?

      I found a youtube video and a website that says there are not traces of mass graves at Treblinka. I'm not a holocaust revisionist nor denier at all.

      I would like you guys to analyze this and share you're thoughts on this. Is this true or a lie?



      http://nafcash.com/

      http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html


      http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Trebl...HRJ191000.html

      http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3166

      http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-wsxmCTScCE
      NO TRACE OF MASS GRAVES FOUND AT TREBLINKA

      A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there. For six days in October 1999, an Australian forensics team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland where, holocaust historians claim, 870,000 Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in huge mass graves. Krege said: “From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site. We know from scans of gravesites and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether. Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years. Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp’s use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed.”
      According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), a total of 870,000 people were allegedly killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned on large grids made of railroad rails. Krege’s team used an $80,000.00 GROUND PENETRATION RADAR (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR is routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, the team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, but found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes or wood ashes. (SOURCE)

      THE TREBLINKA HOLOHOAX
      According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, at Treblinka the Germans murdered and buried, then dug up, burned and crushed the bones, and then - REBURIED all the crushed bone and ash of 870,000 Jews INTO THE SAME MASS GRAVES; thus, they allegedly -obliterated all evidence of their crime.”If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this “judicially proven fact,” then it’s imperative that before you begin reading this site, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:

      Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene -EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Germans, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically -utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!
      Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? Why would the Germans go through all that work, knowing full well there would still be millions of pounds of evidence left behind, then put all that incriminating evidence right back into the very graves that they allegedly had just dug all that evidence out of? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of the holocaust “scholars” who believe that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear?
      So why do the true believers of holocaust orthodoxy accept the magically disappearing Jew “theory” when it’s been scientifically / forensically proven that it’s a fraudulent cognitive illusion? Are they truly insane, or is it because they’re just cowards who can’t handle the shrieks of denier, racist and anti-Semite hurled at anyone who dares to question this nonsensical dogma? Remember, in the “free democracies” of Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, New Zealand, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland, you can literally be sent to prison for refusing to believe the official lies of the alleged Treblinka holocaust. Of course, the feckless cowards who don’t want to know the truth and lack the character to speak the truth can go about unmolested by the high priests of holocaust orthodoxy in their “free democracies.” But woe to the heretic who dares to ask: So just where exactly are all these huge mass graves anyway?
      To put this UTTERLY ILLOGICAL FRAUD in perspective, it’s like someone claiming that he could murder every single man, woman and child in Montana and magically not leave a single trace of his crime! Do you see how incredibly easy a little common sense, logic and skeptical inquiry cuts right to the bone and exposes the ludicrous fraud of this classic example of the big lie technique? Nothing in the world could be easier to prove than the alleged Treblinka holocaust IF this legend is true.If all the time, money and effort that’s gone into the harassing, arresting, fining and imprisoning of the holocaust heretics went into locating the alleged huge mass graves of Treblinka, then this issue would have been settled years ago. Why do you think the Jews would rather have people sent to prison for not believing their nonsensical manufactured history than actually locating the alleged huge mass graves? Why do you think they incessantly lie about the Treblinka holocaust being a proven historical fact, shriek holocaust denier at and REFUSE TO DEBATE anyone with the intelligence and courage to call them on this ridiculous tall tale? Why do you think they never use the phraseology - scientifically or forensicallyprovenfact? The answer is, of course, because there was no Treblinka holocaustand the alleged homicidal gas chambers were, in reality, DELOUSING FACILITIES. (This is a classic example of what happens when pseudo-intellectuals become so invested in an idea; after a while, even honest mistakes have to be sustained by ignoring and eventually falsifying the facts.)
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      Exposing Historical Fraud via The Scientific Method

      I like how they Trademarked The Scientific Method
      I also like how none of those websites have any trace of bias.[/sarcasm]

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      Wikipedia seems to think Richard Krege is lying, but they don't list their sources and unfortunately, a google search brings up reams of anti-semitic websites whose only sources are Krege himself and Australian newspapers who most likely got their information directly from Krege as well.

      Barring some more compelling evidence, I would say that there is a good chance that his data is biased, as he is himself a holocaust revisionist, and the only people who seem to back his claim are anti-semites.

      There are plenty of people in the world who claim the holocaust is a hoax, but it would not take much to expose such an all encompassing conspiracy. Millions and millions of people would have to be lying, and its damn near impossible to make sure that none of them spills the beans. Even if you are a jew hater (and this isn't directed at you personally), you have to admit that at least one of the millions is going to feel bad about lying and come forward.

      Just watched the video, and it shows obvious signs of contradiction and bias. One site claimed that the equipment could detect 5 meters deep and sometimes up to 10 meters. The video, however, claimed that the equipment could detect an object as small as a knife as deep as 30 meters.

      edit; and what I've read about GPR, it seems like 15 meters is a max under ideal conditions; something they probably didn't have. The 5 to 10 meters is probably a lot more accurate and I have to say, if I planned on burrying 800,000+ bodies, I'd dig deeper than 10 meters.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Wikipedia seems to think Richard Krege is lying, but they don't list their sources and unfortunately, a google search brings up reams of anti-semitic websites whose only sources are Krege himself and Australian newspapers who most likely got their information directly from Krege as well.

      Barring some more compelling evidence, I would say that there is a good chance that his data is biased, as he is himself a holocaust revisionist, and the only people who seem to back his claim are anti-semites.

      There are plenty of people in the world who claim the holocaust is a hoax, but it would not take much to expose such an all encompassing conspiracy. Millions and millions of people would have to be lying, and its damn near impossible to make sure that none of them spills the beans. Even if you are a jew hater (and this isn't directed at you personally), you have to admit that at least one of the millions is going to feel bad about lying and come forward.

      Just watched the video, and it shows obvious signs of contradiction and bias. One site claimed that the equipment could detect 5 meters deep and sometimes up to 10 meters. The video, however, claimed that the equipment could detect an object as small as a knife as deep as 30 meters.
      Thanks for the great post!.

      I can't beleive i never bothered to check wikepedia!

      There are so many flaws in his testing according to wikepedia and its likely he never was at the former concentration camp to begin with.
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      dragonoverlord - post one:

      I found a youtube video and a website that says there are not traces of mass graves at Treblinka.
      dragonoverlord - post two:

      There are so many flaws in his testing according to wikepedia and its likely he never was at the former concentration camp to begin with.
      Let's see, you found a video that proves Krege doing GPR testing at Treblinka, then later you say "its likely he never was at the former concentration camp to begin with" ??? And how can there be flaws in his testing if he wasn't at the camp doing some kind of testing? You make no sense. And if there really are so many flaws in his testing, then why haven't the jews themselves done their own GPR testing at Treblinka? What are they afraid of?

      Xaqaria:

      Barring some more compelling evidence, I would say that there is a good chance that his data is biased
      You're turning this issue on its head. Please note this ommision by overlord (the quote of Yitzak Arad)

      “This is the biggest cemetery of Polish Jewry… There are 870,000 Jews buried in the enormous ditches… Within this area initially, the Jews were buried in enormous pits… Later on, a sort of grill from railroad tracks was built. The corpses were removed and this area served for burning the corpses… Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka - all three of them were utterly eradicated… Both Treblinka and the other camps, once they had fulfilled their task of extermination, were obliterated… Nothing remains - nothing.”
      It is the jews who claim that not only were 870,000 jews murdered at Treblinka, but they now claim that the Germans commited the perfect crime. As the nafcash site says:

      According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, at Treblinka the Germans murdered and buried, then dug up, burned and crushed the bones, and then - REBURIED all the crushed bone and ash of 870,000 Jews INTO THE SAME MASS GRAVES; thus, they allegedly -“obliterated all evidence of their crime.”If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this “judicially proven fact,” then it’s imperative that before you begin reading this site, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:

      Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene -EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Germans, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically - “utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!

      Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? Why would the Germans go through all that work, knowing full well there would still be millions of pounds of evidence left behind, then put all that incriminating evidence right back into the very graves that they allegedly had just dug all that evidence out of? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of the holocaust “scholars” who believe that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear?
      The issue is this:

      No matter what anyone thinks about the holocaust per se, one thing is eminently clear - the Treblinka holocaust didn’t happen. To believe that the Germans could “obliterate” all evidence of the murder of 870,000 Jews requires incredible gullibility and a lack of intelligence, logic and critical thinking skills. It requires a belief in magic and a rejection of criminology, archeology and forensic science. IF there was a Treblinka holocaust, then there are huge mass graves filled with millions of pounds of crushed bone to prove it. Until the alleged huge mass graves of Treblinka are found - NO mass graves = NO crushed bone = NO burning of bodies = NO homicidal gas chambers = NO mass murder = NO extermination camp = NO Treblinka holocaust = THE TRUTH – TREBLINKA II WAS A TRANSIT CAMP, and the so called gas chambers were, in reality, delousing facilities designed to protect the health and prolong the lives of the shameless liars who fraudulently claimed to be the victims of a genocidal extermination program. It takes a special kind of credulous dullard to believe the preposterous Treblinka holohoax tale and a special kind of self-deceiving coward to deny the significance of this fraud. Remember, there are only two options: extermination center (for those who believe in magic) and TRANSIT CAMP (for those who believe in the scientific method). There is no third option - and only one truth.
      Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust NAFCASH TM is offering a $75,000.00 REWARD for locating JUST ONE of the alleged “HUGE MASS GRAVES” of Treblinka. NAFCASH TM presents

      THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM

      You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total at least one percent of the alleged mass murder.

      JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!

      and

      Lest you think there must be some truth to the asinine pure extermination center canard (that’s the psychology of the big-lie technique at work) THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM also includes the alleged holocausts at Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor.

      You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total at least one percent of the alleged mass murder.

      JUST ONE CAMP! - JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!

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      Dude in Xaqarias post it clearly states that the research of the guy who i posted is extremely shady and extremely unreliable look him up on Wikepedia to know what im talking about.

      If when i was making this thread i knew the guys research was extremely unreliable and shady then i woulda never posted.

      Look up the guy Xaqaria mentions in his post on wikepedia and you'll see.

      :Edit: Here read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Krege
      Last edited by dragonoverlord; 04-08-2008 at 04:15 AM.
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      If holocaustians want to bring closure to this treblinka issue, why don't they send a team of experts into the camp? Why don't they follow up Krege's investigation in 1999 with one of their own? The remains of 870 thousand victims should not be that hard to detect.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hollingsworth View Post
      If holocaustians want to bring closure to this treblinka issue, why don't they send a team of experts into the camp? Why don't they follow up Krege's investigation in 1999 with one of their own? The remains of 870 thousand victims should not be that hard to detect.

      How and why would anyone go to the trouble to debunk a investigation that has NEVER been publishes?

      BTW - Nafcash does not have any money. Its a not for profit corporation that has no assets and the registered agent is some smucks apartment in a small town. Dude can't even afford a house and he claims to have $$ for the reward.

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      Why do people join Dreamviews just to post almost exclusively in this thread?
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