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      Had a powerful NLD a few mornings ago. One of those that when I woke up, I knew I needed to voice record it or I would forget it and be sad. A little personal to talk about, but it unlocked some areas of my life I had been struggling with. Haven't really practiced any techniques lately. As I said before, going through some difficult life transitions and haven't had a lot of time to devote to LDing.

      fogelbise, do you have any simple techniques you could recommend, anything in your experience that would work during a time like this? Something I could easily do upon waking during the night.
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      If i were fogelbise, ahaha, i would suggest Castaneda hand's technique
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      Check your memory, did any suprising event happpen ? does the present make sense ? visualize what you will do when lucid, and how. Reality check as reminder of your intention to lucid dream tonight. Sleep as good as you can; when going to sleep, relax and invite whatever comes with curiosity. Grab your dream journal immediately as you awake and write everything you can recall (if only when you wake up for good). Keep calm, positive and persistent, and don't forget to have fun along the way

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      Quote Originally Posted by ThreeCat View Post
      fogelbise, do you have any simple techniques you could recommend, anything in your experience that would work during a time like this? Something I could easily do upon waking during the night.
      Sure. MILD or SSILD. For SSILD, if you've tried it and don't connect with the normal instructions, my variation is copied here:
      Spoiler for SSILD variation:
      For MILD I always refer people to your post in your signature. I think it is the most succinct explanation I've seen.

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      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise View Post
      For MILD I always refer people to your post in your signature. I think it is the most succinct explanation I've seen.
      Absolutely! And if you want a "lighter" version of this -- I'd recommend just good ol' reaching for dream recall. The benefits (other than remembering your dreams more and more) include the possibility of a DEILD if you manage to fall asleep quickly enough. To that end I'd say don't try to recall too "hard" -- just let the last moment(s) of your prior dream float around a bit in your head. And perhaps work on micro-WBTBs: just reset your intent to get lucid, and allow yourself to fall back asleep. I rarely perform a "real" WBTB, but I'd several times a night do micro-WBTBs consisting of dream recall and voice recording. When I was in the full swing of practice, this was good enough for 6-15 LDs / month, depending on the strength of my motivation and intention for lucidity.
      FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
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      Well, I'm back after another less-than-ideal reboot. Was still reeling from my divorce, being institutionalized, and so on. I think I'm in a good place to move forward and try something new. This morning I voice-recorded some dreams, but didn't like unlocking the phone and all that noise. So I found an app that will just record anytime I speak during the night. I'm guessing it breaks it down into files? No idea, will let you know soon.

      I'm trying, my friends. Would so much like to make lucid dreaming a cornerstone of my life again. Was recently on a date and this girl said, "So lucid dreaming is like having a second life." Exactly! I'm ready to get back to that one. Fuck all this real life boo-boo.

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      It's always good to see you on DV ThreeCat! Sorry to hear about the "less-than-ideal" stuff, though part of the stuff makes me cautious about giving advice. I hope it is all behind you and that the only way is up from all that.

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      Welcome back, ThreeCat! I'm familiar with waking life boo-boo interfering with dreaming practice. I've been attempting some half-assed LD comebacks recently but lucidity in dreams remains distant. Connecting with dreams again via focusing on recall is a great way to start -- it's how we all started in the beginning, it's how LaBerge recommends it. I think the most important thing is establishing that "wake - remain still - recall - record" sequence every waking. A voice-activated voice recorder app sounds great. When I was recording at night it was always with voice recording.

      The best dreaming times I've noticed also correspond with the best waking times. Having a mindful, relaxed, attentive, reflective, positive (even playful) outlook, "always on", in waking life and dreaming, I think yields the best results. Trying to live waking life one way and dreaming life another IMO constructs an internal, albeit perhaps subconscious conflict, that impedes both waking and dreaming experience. At the very least, it limits your practice time. Mindlessness during the day translates to mindlessness in dream, and lucidity during the day translates to lucidity in dream (with time).

      It's as TYoDaS says: you can't start at the end. First comes awareness in the moment of experience, then in behavior (the moment of reaction to experience), and only then in dream.

      PM exercises and daytime MILD (intention/reflection moments) with RCs as Laberge counsels are so helpful. PM exercises activate the goal-seeking center of the brain, which I believe is critical in dream lucidity. It gives you that little mental jolt that, through practice, we cultivate into full-blown questioning of our state and performing a RC. It keeps the subject of dreaming always on our mind throughout the day, which incubates the thought of dreaming while dreaming (we tend to dream about what we think about [not what we do!] during the day).

      I find re-(re-)-reading the foundational literature very motivating, and I always pick up a new nugget that I hadn't noticed on prior reading. Reviewing ETWOLD chapters 1-3 is the perfect way to get back into it. Try reading it with a beginner's mind, and approaching the practice like you're a newbie. As I tell newbies, "follow ETWOLD closely, do what LaBerge says, and odds are you'll get lucid within 30 days, and dreaming will improve dramatically almost immediately."

      Best of luck! Let us know how you're progressing!
      FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
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      Thanks, guys. @fogelbise: I'm not full-blown certified, just needed some help getting back on my feet! Advice is always great, even if not taken.

      @FryingMan: thank you, FM. I'm re-reading TYoDaS bit at a time. I completely agree with your point about recall, and I'm starting to reconnect with my dreams again. I actually did SSILD last night at some point (don't know when, what time). Normally I start out on a reboot, have some early success, and then drop off. I'm hoping for some more sustained effort, sustained success, and so forth.

      And I think that is great advice you're giving newbies. You can't do much better than those first three chapters. Thanks, guys!

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      I was mainly thinking about how questioning reality may not be the best thing when your reality is in upheaval.

      I enjoy switching between SSILD, MILD as well as combining them as a third option for my night practices, throwing in twists from time to time. I do the same thing alternating of my day practices. It keeps my practices fresh and less apt to dropping off.

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      To throw in my $0.02 -- I don't see it as "real / not real" -- I see it as "waking / dreaming" -- just different states of our singular, all real, conscious experiences.
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      Thanks, guys. I mostly just do the "this is a dream," thing, so I don't question TOO much. I had the first sad, divorce dreams I've had in a bit, and while they were sad, I'm not crying or anything. Also, I know that as I start digging into my dreams a bit, I'll start processing more emotions and repressed stuff. No lucidity.

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      Hang in there ThreeCat, as much as you can, and let us know if you run into dreaming/LD roadblocks you need help with.

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      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise View Post
      Sure. MILD or SSILD. For SSILD, if you've tried it and don't connect with the normal instructions, my variation is copied here:
      Spoiler for SSILD variation:
      For MILD I always refer people to your post in your signature. I think it is the most succinct explanation I've seen.
      what's HH?
      https://www.luciddreamcoaching.com/about

      I'm working with Elliot Gish as my Coach. He's great.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tblanco View Post
      what's HH?
      Hypnagogic hallucinations (also hypnopompic hallucinations).

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      Hi ThreeCat, how's dreaming been recently?
      FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
      FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
      “No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
      "...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS

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