Thread: Two Years Of lucid dreaming, But I still Have very poor dream control

Hey Am

I'm sure it must be frustrating. I've only been lucid dreaming for a few months, and I even get frustrated right away when my dream control flunks, so I can only imagine if you've been dealing with it for two years.. Have you tried dream incubation? Personally, it has helped me gain more control. I know dream incubation is done prior to being lucid, but I think the visualization exercises you do in waking life can tremendously affect your imagination when you dream. And we know that your dream relies on your imagination, so that might help you out. When you somehow exercise that and enhance your imagination (perhaps by visualizing using powers or basically any visualization about controlling your environment), that could cross over and enhance your ability to do it when lucid as well.

I personally don't incubate dreams very well, because I suck at visualization, but just doing dream control visualizations as best as I can has really improved my dream control when lucid.

I hope this helps. Never give up! See you in chat. Well you're actually in chat right now but I just thought I'd reply he hehe

As far as Dream Incubation goes I have tried that. I'm not sure if you are aware of Waking Nomads Serial Dreaming RPG? I tried to dream incubate for that but could not make it into a fantasy world. I also tried my own Dream Incubation which was that story that I showed you a while back If you remember? That also lead to no success, and other attempts at dream Incubation have lead to partial Lucids with a bad recall and poor Decision making :/

And after two years I'm Not going to give up that easily!

Whats your personal beliefs on the dream world? I personally have a lot more trouble inducing lucid dreams than I do controlling them, and when I run into the control problem I remind myself that the world is created by the mind. For example if you want to walk through a wall, tell yourself "there is no wall, the wall is just part of my mind". To summon objects try reaching into your pockets and expecting it to be there.

Originally Posted by Ametam

As far as Dream Incubation goes I have tried that. I'm not sure if you are aware of Waking Nomads Serial Dreaming RPG? I tried to dream incubate for that but could not make it into a fantasy world. I also tried my own Dream Incubation which was that story that I showed you a while back If you remember? That also lead to no success, and other attempts at dream Incubation have lead to partial Lucids with a bad recall and poor Decision making :/


And after two years I'm Not going to give up that easily!

Ahh yea I've heard of WakingNomad's RPG. And I remember your story too! :3 That was cool. And well, I got nothing D: I need to work on my dream control as well. Maybe you could try starting from scratch? Like, you just found out about lucid dreaming, and begin aspiring for the basics. Try basic summoning with small objects, and gradually increase the level of activity as you go along. Avoid doing anything too extreme, and remember to use verbalization too, kinda like narrating everything you are doing to really internalize it. I realize when I fail at something I really want, starting from the very beginning helps. Kinda like a clean slate. Gaaa sorry I couldn't help you more

Originally Posted by VictoReverie

Whats your personal beliefs on the dream world? I personally have a lot more trouble inducing lucid dreams than I do controlling them, and when I run into the control problem I remind myself that the world is created by the mind. For example if you want to walk through a wall, tell yourself "there is no wall, the wall is just part of my mind". To summon objects try reaching into your pockets and expecting it to be there.

Hahaha I have tried that. I have actually walked to a wall, And said to myself "It's just a dream" I got to walk through the wall. But it is still there, solid brickwork Is just their. I would look at it and concentrate on the fact it doesn't exist, but there was still A solid Lump of brick.

As for the pocket trick I have tried various forms Of that type of control (Its called Indirect control Btw) all of which have led to nothing. I have tried to pull out various forms or weaponry and objects but all have failed

Thank You for Your input though

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

Ahh yea I've heard of WakingNomad's RPG. And I remember your story too! :3 That was cool. And well, I got nothing D: I need to work on my dream control as well. Maybe you could try starting from scratch? Like, you just found out about lucid dreaming, and begin aspiring for the basics. Try basic summoning with small objects, and gradually increase the level of activity as you go along. Avoid doing anything too extreme, and remember to use verbalization too, kinda like narrating everything you are doing to really internalize it. I realize when I fail at something I really want, starting from the very beginning helps. Kinda like a clean slate. Gaaa sorry I couldn't help you more

I think I may try that, I'll start from the very beginning, and just ignore flying for a while What path do you reckon I should try first? Magic? Summing? Environment manipulation?

I don't say this to scare you but I have practiced lucid dreaming for 3-4 years now and I still don't have the ultra mega control that all lucid dreaming motivation videos talk about. This is mainly because I don't do that much tests instead I am interested in what my dreams want to show me, so I don't actively manipulate it.
But it's also because most of my time was wasted on "FINDING THE BEST METHOD" when I was a beginner etc. So that's probably why
And my practice have generally been just trying finding the best way for me to induce awareness in dreams.

And I have just found that and well I learned through the few FULLY lucid experiences I have that there is a difference between awareness and awareness.

Lucidity = Knowing that you are dreaming

Awareness = Being aware of yourself, what the dream is, physical memories and own awareness of the thinking mind!

So the key to good dream control is AWARENESS. For example in one lucid dream I might not be aware of that dream characters are not real, yet I still know that I am dreaming. I know it's a weird concept but you will probably experience this yourself, I wouldn't call this fully aware and even though it's a huge accomplishment to become aware that it is a dream, it's still not enough to control the dream. I mean how are you supposed to summon a dragon when you in that moment think it's more important to convince your "friends" that it is a dream! It's a huge mental block o. O

So when you get aware that it is a dream, you should have a plan of reminding yourself of who you are, what your name is, remember your adress, something to trigger your pysical memory.
Then when you are there living the (lol) dream of lucid dreaming that you always have expected it to be like you can start controling the dream, now the basic dream control method works, expect something behind a door etc.

However if you are less aware it might sometimes be easier to make it appear, because you are not blocked by your belief... So it is a little contradictory to recomend awareness because it's easier to "free your mind" when your not as aware. Ah.. It might sound complicated but I hope you understand what I mean.

Anyway otherwise it's just to do it matrix-style and try to free your mind of what is possible in the world of dreaming but it's not as easy to do as one might think, unless you are Neo. xD

I use a system by Reece Jones called "The Five Layers of Lucidity" in my DJ to keep track of how aware I actually was, but now when I think about it, it might be better to call it the five layer of awareness.
But if you are interested either read my Dream Journal description or watch Reece Jones Youtube video.

Ps. It's not a perfect system but it's good enough to be used as a tool to compare awareness with awareness.

Originally Posted by Ametam

I think I may try that, I'll start from the very beginning, and just ignore flying for a while What path do you reckon I should try first? Magic? Summing? Environment manipulation?

Hmm I'd go with some basic summoning, because I think it's sort of like a precursor to everything else. When you learn to summon, say, an person, then sooner or later it would be easier for you to summon bigger things such as landscapes, or balls of fire. In a way, everything else is just some form of summoning (for me, that is :p ) so you might wanna learn that first. Try out the verbal narration too, like "i am now creating a basketball in my hand", to really integrate in your mind that you're really doing it, and hopefully that bleeds into your subconscious and your future lucids. Good luck!

Don't think of dream control as an ability. Dream control is not something that you learn. There are no skills to learn in a dream because there are no rules in a dream. And what is a skill other than learning the rules of the world and learning how to work with and around them? You can manipulate every aspect of your dream because you know that there is nothing to prevent you from doing it. It's really as simple as that.

That said, I am not perfect. For example I have never successfully flown. My first couple attempts were when I was still a beginner and they didn't work out the way I wanted them to. I thought to myself that I was doing it wrong. Little did I know how big of a mistake that was, letting myself think that. It's very easy to create a subconscious expectation of failure. You can have all the confidence in the world during the dream, but it only takes a brief moment of doubt, or a flash memory of a past failure to doom yourself to another failure.

Dream control is very, very simple. The hard part is preventing the negative effect of failures from building in your mind. Failure in real life has the purpose of helping us learn not to make the same mistake. But this is not true in dreams. Failure in a lucid dream means nothing. Failure doesn't mean you did something wrong. Success doesn't mean you did something right. Dream control is about unlearning what you have learned. When you try to apply a lesson you've learned in real life to a lucid dream what you are applying is only a limitation. Since there are no rules to dreams the lessons can not be applied. When you do apply them you create an artificial and temporary rule that limits you.

After you learn these basics of dream control you can then purposefully apply these temporary rules to spice up your experiences. Being omnipotent and all powerful gets boring real quick. Limitations are the only thing that make life interesting.

*Tunes into Samuel Jackson*

It's yo mother****in' dream you do what you mother****in' want niggah!

*Tunes out*

Seriously. Do not say "I can't do it." It isn't real life. It's YOUR mind. Next time you find yourself in an LD, remember you can bend the world to your will. You can do ANYTHING, really, there is no limits. So next time you thrust your hands at the sidewalk, expecting it to explode? MAKE it explode.

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

I realize when I fail at something I really want, starting from the very beginning helps. Kinda like a clean slate.

Think of it like this, there's a large gap you have to jump over, but you're at the edge already. You have to take a few steps back to be able to clear the gap.
I still have yet to have a lucid that lasts longer than a minute or two..
Good luck to those who are just beginning, and to those who have been lucid dreaming. It's sometimes difficult, but it's well worth the practice and the time.
I can't remember if it was on this thread or somewhere else, but some advice would be to visualize with your eyes open, imagine yourself doing certain things while you're thinking about them, such as moving a car or something with your mind. I do stuff like this, every now and then it has translated over into my dreams.