Thread: What defines a stable lucid dream?

Originally Posted by Sageous

I had a thought, Dolphin:

At the risk of reopening another technique debate, have you considered ignoring* the dream, and focusing on keeping your mind stable? Call it a need for fuel rather than machinery, per your earlier analogy. Instead of demanding that the dream remain stable (Snoop did make a good point about this), why not assert your own stability?

Since you will likely be witnessing a dream of some sort throughout your REM period, why not let them come and go as they will, vivid or not, long or not, and just work on getting used to your own presence in them? In other words, get comfortable in the skin of your own mind. Watch, lucidly, the dreams as they arrive, fade, pass, and arrive again, all the time conscious of your presence in the dream and the fact that all these universes briefly passing you are of your own creation.

it is for the first time that my attitude toward stability has changed....i thought a stable dream is when we see every thing vivid and we are not afraid of loosing the scene...

i have heard that one of the aim of LD is to make every scene disappear and to create a void to meditate...i have done this before....i was stable and lucid but there was nothing but void...it was only my mind...

my problem was that i couldn't connect these two things in theory (stability and mind presence (even in void)). i see that master Sageous explained and clarified it well. because nearly we all thought from many false and even famous LD resources that stability of LD is stability of environment....but in reality, the environment is not important and the state of mind should always be considered....

threecat: you talk very high class, i couldn't understand your words and my mouth was open like a retard when reading your post....please tell your valuable knowledge in a manner a newbie like me can understand!!!

Just to add an exclamation point to your statement:

Originally Posted by yaya

my problem was that i couldn't connect these two things in theory (stability and mind presence (even in void)). i see that Sageous explained and clarified it well. because nearly we all thought from many false and even famous LD resources that stability of LD is stability of environment....but in reality, the environment is not important and the state of mind should always be considered....

If you can remember, always, that there actually is no environment in a dream, then maintaining your state of mind -- the only thing that is truly present -- will be much easier.

Thanks for the comments, everybody! Lots of information to digest!

Sageous, I have tried avoiding dream control and stabilization in a lucid dream before. The dreams still end after a minute or two.

Three Cat, I stayed still to try to DEILD after my lucid this morning. I could hear my ears ringing so that makes me think I still have some REM time to spare. I still not very good at entering a dream though DEILD, though.

I'm thinking that memory is my biggest obstacle in keeping lucid dreams stable, given the ease at which I forget about stabilization techniques after I perform them. Hopefully the mantra technique will take care of that!

I tried the mantra, but it didn't work. I started trying in the middle of the lucid and made it to 4. So, another one minute lucid.

I've been thinking, though, that since stablization and dream control both require self-awareness, if I'm controling the dream, I'd already have the self-awareness required to keep the dream stable. I'd be constantly accessing memory too.

So, I'm thinking that if I stay calm, constantly control the dream, and avoid worrying about the dream ending, my dream would be stable. I've had success with this in the past and my dreams almost always end when I'm not doing all of these things.

I just have to figure out a go-to dream control technique to fill in the time where I'm not controlling the dream.

I just thought of a quick question that I hope wasn't already covered here:

Originally Posted by dolphin

Sageous, I have tried avoiding dream control and stabilization in a lucid dream before. The dreams still end after a minute or two.

How long do your NLD's generally last?

It depends on how constantly I interact with the dream. Generally, I don't interact much and they last 1-3 minutes. Although, if I interact more constantly they last much longer-around 10-15 minutes at the longest. Much like my lucid dreams, actually. Although, I'm not sure I've yet broken the 10 minute mark in a lucid dream.