Like I said, I've explained this concept countless times. Check out some of my guides and the corresponding conversations. |
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Last edited by DreamCafe11; 10-05-2015 at 06:17 PM.
"Be the best You, you can be...Relax...Listen...Imagine...*Silence*...Zzzzz"
DreamCafe11----DawnEye11
DreamBuddy-Jadegreen
Like I said, I've explained this concept countless times. Check out some of my guides and the corresponding conversations. |
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I dont need to read them. I rather talk to you about it here. Just having thoughts without belief, I never said it was wrong. Belief is what throws people off at times.Having these "pure thoughts" is not easy at times though. I mean you could think pure thoughts while getting your head smashed against the floor but you'd still be pretty distracted if your feeling dream pain. Which is why dream control might be hard. Sure pure thoughts will help but its not easy at first. Plus no one is perfect. |
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"Be the best You, you can be...Relax...Listen...Imagine...*Silence*...Zzzzz"
DreamCafe11----DawnEye11
DreamBuddy-Jadegreen
I thought youd understand better if I said "pure thoughts". Also, I never asked you to teach me a thing. I dont need for you to teach me anything. Its simple enough to understand.Well whatever than. I dont think you understand what im saying so its better if we forget this conversation happened. ^ w ^ |
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Last edited by DreamCafe11; 10-06-2015 at 02:36 AM.
"Be the best You, you can be...Relax...Listen...Imagine...*Silence*...Zzzzz"
DreamCafe11----DawnEye11
DreamBuddy-Jadegreen
I think the hang-up is on the word "belief" which can be problematic in its ambiguity. In one sense, "belief" means "faith" or perhaps "wishful desire." That is the definition that Mzzkc seeks to dispell, mostly because it is ineffable, unreliable, and outside of rational analysis. The other sense of "belief" or "believable" describes a thought that is consistent with other thoughts, so that it is acceptable to the unconscious mind. In that sense, we can investigate and utilize thoughts and their consistency through the use of such tools as schemata and mnemonics. That is the sense that is most useful for dream control. |
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Last edited by sisyphus; 10-06-2015 at 05:35 AM. Reason: or "believable", for clarity
I am sure about illusion. I am not so sure about reality.
I knew that already. Which is why it feels like we were going back and forth for no reason. ┐(︶▽︶")┌ |
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Last edited by DreamCafe11; 10-06-2015 at 05:27 PM.
"Be the best You, you can be...Relax...Listen...Imagine...*Silence*...Zzzzz"
DreamCafe11----DawnEye11
DreamBuddy-Jadegreen
I actually really like the way you explained this. I was thinking about what Mzzkc said during a lucid dream that I had last night: I needed to make a getaway and was trying to summon a specific DC in a specific car, but just controlling my surface-level thoughts wasn't enough to make it happen. In my parlance, I needed to more thoroughly "believe" that it was going to happen... but "believe" in the sense of making my subconscious thoughts and expectations fall in line with my conscious ones. |
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I am so glad you said that Samael - I was thinking quite a bit about what Sisyphus said too .. The way he said it and re reading what had been posted by Mzzck originally and others since had me really pondering the way our minds work in general and then particularly when Lucid - it makes me feel I have soo much work to do yet very happy tobe " getting" something...clarifying in someway |
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Last edited by Patience108; 10-07-2015 at 10:02 PM.
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