Don't let yourself be impressed by those who have HI, or tutorials which imply that visualization/Imagery are necessary. They are good for people who already have HI, and useless for the others. |
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I have difficulty entering the hypnagogic border world between waking and dreaming. So much so, in fact, that I would not have a conception of what a hypnagogic state or image is at all save for learning about it on dreaming websites like this one. As far as my natural sleep progression is concerned, one moment my mind is wandering like a lost hyperactive little child doing its own thing, and the next I am conked out full-on asleep. I'm not bold enough to suggest I don't go through hypnagogery at all, but if and when I do it is something brief, unimpressive and unremembered. |
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Adopted by Richter
Don't let yourself be impressed by those who have HI, or tutorials which imply that visualization/Imagery are necessary. They are good for people who already have HI, and useless for the others. |
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Dec. 2006 - July 2007:
92 DILDs + 30 WILDs ; 75% too short, 24% decent, ~3 of 2 to 5 minutes
(I stopped counting after that)
First thing is, I have to almost always be laying on my back. Otherwise I will fall asleep to fast. Second is, I will try not to think any words at all. I will just lay there and listen for inner sounds. And watch the shapes in the blackness of my closed eye lids. Once I get relaxed enough, I will start to hear words come into my mind all on there own. I will actualy be hearing them. Sometimes just one word at first, then whole sentences. Sometimes I will hear two people haveing a conversation. sometimes I will just hear really strange sounds, or music. Then I just sit and listen for a while, and I will be able to follow the sounds into a dream scene. Or just flashes of scenes. |
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Last edited by Caradon; 06-24-2007 at 10:05 PM.
They might be very faint. I rarely have really bright vibrant colours, they are usually dull and slow moving, like a plasma screen-saver. I have a theory about hypnogogic imagery: throughout the day you eyes are constantly adjusting to colours (if you stare at something red for a while, you get a blue after image,) and the eyes are simply sorting themselves out and re-calibrating, creating images in order to do this. This would explain why it only seems to happen while going to bed and going deep, the brain is sure that you aren't going to open your eyes and screw up its re-calibration. Maybe some people have another way of doing this and never see the HI. Just a theory. |
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I get this aswel. I just hear random words coming into my mind. |
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Yes I was talking with some people this week and they said that they were not able to create images in their head at will which struck me as odd because I can do it with ease like it's something natural for me. I think that HI plays a part in this as if you can't create images in your head or scenes like replaying a bit in a movie that you saw etc. Than HI becomes very hard. |
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When I was younger and did not know anything about lucid dreaming, my way of getting to sleep was just by picturing things i my mind. Like a sucession of images. It's weird because when I was younger I would sometimes -especially in nightmares- realize that I was in a dream and wake myself up. It was a natural thing for me I found it really easy to wake up from dreams. There would be a technique to it like blinking or something similar. I never have that ability anymore though. I never realise im in a dream. |
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Ive experienced this several times, but it's never followed through into a dream |
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That is exactly the way to describe it!! haha, ive been trying to word it unsuccesfully, but you hit it dead on. Its so strange how things just come on thier own. |
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Dreaming is forgetting the basis of reality, remembering it is to be lucid.
All HI for me is like a meter. It just lets me know it's almost go time when I'm trying a WILD. In fact when I WILD, I don't picture the scene and what I'm doing and all of that stuff other people do. I just alternate focusing on keeping my mind alert enought to know what phases are going on, and my body relaxed so I'm not tense. Every time I enter the dream I'm in my room. Nothing fancy...no crap i was picturing in my head or anything. I'll get out of bed, and it's go time. Kinda like a FA, but I truly know I'm in the dream. |
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I know exactly what you mean! I get sounds more than anything, but I find it really interesting when I'm not aware of the sound that is going on, but as soon as I become aware of it it disappears! |
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Starting from scratch
Yeah, I always focus on listening to the sounds first. Now and then I get images first, but most of the time it's the sounds. Then they will lead into images. The other night for the first time, I was actually able to talk to a voice that I could hear. It was a very strange experience. (I was talking mentally of course) I don't think I have gone quite crazy yet. Well, at least I hope not. |
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http://arginine.spc.org/vaughan/Vaug...gogicState.pdf |
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I'm Dreaming
I'm defintely about the HI's for some reason. I guess it has just been the way that works for me; although sound first may not apply due to the music I listen to before I sleep. I usually play some ambient while drifting off so the visuals are the first thing I notice. I hear thoughts and voices etc., it's just not in my main focus. I try to think mine as just like remembering a memory (something that has taken place in my life) in my mind. Sometimes I'll create a scene in my head and I'm walking and looking down at me feet as I walk. When I look up I've entered the dream and become fully immersed in my dream world. |
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you see, i get very frequent hypnagogic hallucinations. |
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I get a lot of visuals as well. Sometimes I get the visuals before the sounds. |
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Last edited by Caradon; 08-21-2007 at 03:26 AM.
My sincere advice to you: |
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has anybody been scared by a hypnogogic experience? |
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I usually don't get HI either, save for a few light patterns. (Though once I did see a yellow butterfly flying through my eyes.) I do hear voices every now and then, but they just wake me up a bit more. Also, every time I start to slip into SP, my heart starts racing like crazy and it always snaps me out of it. |
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Raised by NeAvO
Hazel's Boiler Room
Do you know the terror of he who falls asleep? To the very toes he is terrified, Because the ground gives the way under him, And the dream begins... - Friedrich Nietzsche
I've had a few WILD's and have still never had any HI. I actually do fall asleep for a very short amount of time between asleep and LDing, but I fall straight into an LD, instead of going from normal dream to LD. |
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"100% success you bitch"
Hey there, |
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Do what ever you do before bed.. (Like reading a book, having a cigarett, etcetera.) |
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Last edited by G0MPgomp; 09-10-2007 at 11:08 PM.
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