Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

When you DEILD or simply stay between dreaming and awake, do you often see your real life place where you are falling asleep mixed with dream?

No, not often, but sometimes. I usually have auditory HH as I fall asleep compared to visuals. For some reason the visual HH seems to be from mostly as I wake. I hardly have dream-bleed over.

I thought I am going crazy last time I saw it. I often had some transparent objects flying around my room when I just woke up. But recently I had one dream where it was going romantic with some teacher, she was young and beautiful. I was talking to her in her class and then suddenly she transformed to a big leopard. I got shocked, woke up and that leopard was sitting in my room, he was very big. Like 3 meters tall, he was sitting here for around 5 minutes, just sitting and staring at me. That time I thought I am going crazy.
It was not SP because I could move.

Five minutes? Amazing. What did you do? Sit there and stare? One time I woke up to a siren, stood up, looked out the window, and saw nothing. No one else heard it. I then realized I was somehow having and auditory hallucination that bled over from my dream.


And another question, did you try to do it after sleep deprivation? Like 48+ hours.

No. I used to sleep dep myself when I was young also, but I can't do it anymore due to chronic fatigue syndrome and narcolepsy.

I often stayed sleep deprived due to my life style when I was 18-20 and couple of times when I did not sleep like 56 hours or more I had lots of hallucinations. Often it was my dream mixed with my waking life. I think hallucinations like schizophrenia might be just dream mixed into our waking life. By dream I am talking about our subconscious mind.

Yes. This is why meth-heads go insane. The drug makes them stay up for days and they see things because of the sleep deprivation, but not really the meth.

Once when I was sleep sleep deprived for more then 56 hours
wtf?
I was on my way home, sitting in the tram. I was observing my self with from a floating 3rd person view camera somewhere on top. I could see both, my real view and this camera view. Like mixed layers. Also when I was walking back to my apartment I could see dogs that were not real, I knew because they were kinda of fucked up, my friend confirmed that those dogs were not real. Also he had other hallucinations, he was doing LDing as well and he was not sleep with me all that time.

I am saying my dream because at that time I was pretty experienced lucid dreamer and I could control those hallucinations exactly the same way I control my dreams.

Cool!

Originally Posted by phasemancer

Actually what we "see" is never an exact representation of the physical correlates. Our eyes are like cameras sending 2D images to the visual cortex where they split into parts like lines and circles, then goes through a kind of rendering pipeline, a bit like how a computer game is rendered, that constructs a 3D image, part of this process is pattern recognition, which includes comparing the seen patterns to memories of already seen objects, this not only makes you recognize objects, but is helps determine how the constructed 3D image that the your consciousness perceives should be like, based on your memories and experiences. The more ambiguous something you see is, or the less data the input contains, the more prone you are to the brain filling in more details with what whatever the pattern recognition systems thinks stuff should be, I think that consciously thinking about objects might be able to skew the pattern recognition process towards whatever object(s) you're thinking about.

Another funny idea: we only see the past, never the present. Not only that, we do not see objects, but reflections of light, not the actual objects. Not only that, the farther away something is, the farther in the past it is. Think of a star 20 light years away that died in 2000. We would still perceive the star's light until 2020, and perceive the supernova of its death in 2020, because it would take 20 years for that light to get here.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Now it doesn't matter, but I think back in the beginning I did tend to avoid too much eye movement. It seems as if when your eyes move, the images tend to usually move with your eyes.
HUDs are fun. Both while dreaming and awake.

I have found that if I try to look at a certain spot without moving my eyes, it works better that moving my eyeballs around.
I also just remembered how much I used to hallucinate while completely sober, but I would turn it off, because I felt crazy. (And of course when I told people they would say that I was.) I notice it happens often with patterns, such as concrete, grass, bark, wallpaper with tiny designs, etc. Sometimes things seems to melt into each other or breathe and pulse.

WakindNomad, yea, talking about auditory HH. I am having them pretty often when I wake up. When I go to sleep I usually do not have any auditory HH, even when I do nREM WILD, all audio seems to be damped.

I had all kinds of auditory HH when I woke up. One morning I could hear rock music somewhere in my apartment, I was not sure where is it coming from. I was the only one who could hear it. Every time I DEILD'ed I woke up because of that music, it was not connected to my DEILD dream. It continue for around 1 hour, I was trying to fall asleep again and DEILD into the dream, but this music kept waking me up. I walked into other room and to the balcony, but every time I stood up - music stopped and continued when I went back to sleep.

Recently I had some old school radio show playing in my room, it was so clear. I kept looking for my and my wife's phone, by the time I found them, HH stopped. And there was nothing on those phones, so it was my HH for sure.

And regarding meth-heads, I am not taking any drugs or medicine, in case you thought I did

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

WakindNomad, yea, talking about auditory HH. I am having them pretty often when I wake up. When I go to sleep I usually do not have any auditory HH, even when I do nREM WILD, all audio seems to be damped.

I had all kinds of auditory HH when I woke up. One morning I could hear rock music somewhere in my apartment, I was not sure where is it coming from. I was the only one who could hear it. Every time I DEILD'ed I woke up because of that music, it was not connected to my DEILD dream. It continue for around 1 hour, I was trying to fall asleep again and DEILD into the dream, but this music kept waking me up. I walked into other room and to the balcony, but every time I stood up - music stopped and continued when I went back to sleep.

Recently I had some old school radio show playing in my room, it was so clear. I kept looking for my and my wife's phone, by the time I found them, HH stopped. And there was nothing on those phones, so it was my HH for sure.

And regarding meth-heads, I am not taking any drugs or medicine, in case you thought I did

No, I didn't think you are a meth-head. I don't think zombies like the intarwebs. I assumed you stayed up on sheer will alone, the way I used when I was 18-20.

Hey Mylynes
Very interesting technique you've discovered, however I seem to have a dilema.
When I focus on 1 point with my eyes closed, I seem to put a slight strain on them. It does help me see canvas a bit, but it can feel sometimes unpleasant. Is it possible to get same effect with your eyes relaxed?
When you got better at your technique, have your eyes moved towards the projected visuals or did you keep your eyes neutral?

Originally Posted by M45t3r

Hey Mylynes
Very interesting technique you've discovered, however I seem to have a dilema.
When I focus on 1 point with my eyes closed, I seem to put a slight strain on them. It does help me see canvas a bit, but it can feel sometimes unpleasant. Is it possible to get same effect with your eyes relaxed?
When you got better at your technique, have your eyes moved towards the projected visuals or did you keep your eyes neutral?

Strain is not a good thing, if something feels wrong you should probably cease whatever you are doing and wait a while before going back to practice/experimenting. A lot of the base for this you simply have to figure out on your own. It is hard to explain how to make your mind move your arm, or try to discover muscles that are there but never been used, such as to wiggle your ear, or in this case create visuals.

Also, I might be a bit strange because in my dreams I tend to not have a single visual focus point. I never blink, and even if not using 360 vision, I usually take all of my vision in at the same time with no focal point. The edges of my vision are just as clear as the center area. I also enjoy splitting my visual input, to get visuals from multiple forms all being sent to my mind simultaneously.

Since I started practicing this, along with time dilation, some strange things have been happening to my mind, aural hallucinations, hearing the wailing of tormented souls in the grind of steel machines, voices whispering in the wind, batting at my HUD in waking life... This technique can be a real mindfuck. Hold on to your sanity tightly. You have been warned.

Thinking about starting a new thread on Dream Control Mastery, to tell how I got my skills. Will include my Vision Control tutorial since it is relevant and the old thread is getting a bit long. So kind of like a part 2 to my original tutorial.

Edit:
http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...-tutorial.html
Created the thread, marked it as under construction. Working on it now.

It won't let me edit the original post in this thread, says it is too old to edit.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Thinking about starting a new thread on Dream Control Mastery, to tell how I got my skills. Will include my Vision Control tutorial since it is relevant and the old thread is getting a bit long. So kind of like a part 2 to my original tutorial.

Edit:
http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...-tutorial.html
Created the thread, marked it as under construction. Working on it now.

It won't let me edit the original post in this thread, says it is too old to edit.

I think mods may be able to let you edit it if you ask them.

I knew of the static-like pattern (which becomes more obvious after waking up in the middle of the night, my vision becomes oddly grainy), and by cupping my hands over my eyes I can create very vague shadows of images. They never really last, though, and seem to be more like seeing shapes in the clouds than anything else. It's interesting, as my mind sort of autopilots the creation process, the images it produces are either completely uninfluenced, or only slighty, by me thinking about something.
Then I read this thread. Did you just say that you are able to hallucinate images and sensory inputs at will, at any moment? Because that is even cooler than lucid dreaming, which is saying a LOT. I am gonna try so hard to master this.

A question: if you start creating something, what do you feel, and where do you feel it?

EDIT: Also, a funny thing I noticed. Visual hypnagogic hallucinations (for me blobs of black and green-ish tints moving about) can overlay themselves over normal vision. Just go to bed, lie down, wait until the hypnagogia comes, open your eyes, and stare unfocused. For me, it's not really useful, as I cannot control it, but I can probably just learn that too.

ANOTHEREDIT: The grainy-pixel-static effect is also visible in light, along with the weak shadowy images. The images are not clear enough to make out any general shape, and are often hard to see, but I do seem to have a weak degree of control over them.

So today I was on the pot detoxing from a diatomaceous earth-coffee enema, and suddenly my vision got bright and dim, dim and bright. Then, I was able to make it go at will! I kept trying it, making my vision kind of flash, and I was able to do it about 3 or 4, times, then I couldn't. I didn't try and force it.
I think maybe the detox is helping my psionic control. peace.

Well I've been playing with this basically for years since I have it quite obviously blocking my view, kindof messes up my sight at times.

The only thing though, is I am not as proficient as you are, I can only make my vision go black and white, or blue.

Then when I try to make things all I can make are eyes and faces.



Also some interesting things are that when I'm bored, I can make my vision swirl like as if I was staring at that spinning optical illusion thing. And I can make the 'canvas' go from big pixels to small pixels and back, also make them form smudgy looking lines and pulsing waves.


BTW Don't put too much pressure on certain parts of your (the top part near the middle of your face) or you can go blind for a couple seconds, I used to do that for fun but it probably screwed up my eyes quite a bit.

Yea has anyone got good enough to help me with this?
I tried making a hand today by forming a big blue circle then shrinking it down to fit over the hand shape I would've liked, but when I try this I can only get it small enough that it makes a round bottom with spiky stuff on top.... not really a hand. Also I tried making a box, but that took at least 15 minutes of building using changing light level to basically capture each side and hold it.

Then I can make eyes and faces pretty decently, but I can't really figure out how I'm doing it, I feel like the only reason why I can even make the eyes is because I'm focusing on trying to make stuff with my eyes so the eyes just come up out of that, same with faces that have their eyes closed.

Originally Posted by PKJacker

Yea has anyone got good enough to help me with this?
I tried making a hand today by forming a big blue circle then shrinking it down to fit over the hand shape I would've liked, but when I try this I can only get it small enough that it makes a round bottom with spiky stuff on top.... not really a hand. Also I tried making a box, but that took at least 15 minutes of building using changing light level to basically capture each side and hold it.

Then I can make eyes and faces pretty decently, but I can't really figure out how I'm doing it, I feel like the only reason why I can even make the eyes is because I'm focusing on trying to make stuff with my eyes so the eyes just come up out of that, same with faces that have their eyes closed.

You're better than me! That's cool!

Well I've been messing around yesterday at night and made an eye like I usually do, but I figured out how to add jewels around the eyes to make a jeweled mask.I didn't stop with just a few jewels and filled my whole vision.then I got scared and realized I couldn't turn the image off and got even more freaked out since when I opened my eyes the image was still there..

So I tried to put an image over it and no luck, it just kept coming back. So I just waited till I finally feel asleep and when I wrote up it was gone luckily.


EDIT: I think the reason I had this problem is I became stressed because I built it right infront of my eyes so it was blocking my vision. The stress made me keep thinking about the problem, and kept the image in my mind and blocking my view, that was probably the hardest night of trying to fall asleep I've ever had...

Originally Posted by PKJacker

Well I've been messing around yesterday at night and made an eye like I usually do, but I figured out how to add jewels around the eyes to make a jeweled mask.I didn't stop with just a few jewels and filled my whole vision.then I got scared and realized I couldn't turn the image off and got even more freaked out since when I opened my eyes the image was still there..

So I tried to put an image over it and no luck, it just kept coming back. So I just waited till I finally feel asleep and when I wrote up it was gone luckily.


EDIT: I think the reason I had this problem is I became stressed because I built it right infront of my eyes so it was blocking my vision. The stress made me keep thinking about the problem, and kept the image in my mind and blocking my view, that was probably the hardest night of trying to fall asleep I've ever had...

Wow, sounds really cool! I wish I could do that. Oh! I do remember beginning to form some HH into fairies! Totally forgot about that until you reminded me. They were kind of dark still, but beginning to take shape and smile at me.

Wow, sounds really cool! I wish I could do that. Oh! I do remember beginning to form some HH into fairies! Totally forgot about that until you reminded me. They were kind of dark still, but beginning to take shape and smile at me.

Well the way I kindof got started is first just focusing on learning not to try to use my eyes to see what I was trying to create, and find that other thing that creates it (my eyes still twitch to try to see the picture better, stupid impulses)

After that I tried a brute force method of doing everything possible to induce pictures, except I was using the way I create eyes as a kind of general area to look at.

So far I am hopeless at making squares and stuff, but I can do eyes pretty well except not very detailed because I never tried the way I froze that jeweled mask on an eye image and when I create the eyes I keep twitching and that just breaks the image completely.

So far I found that when trying to create stuff, there's no easy way to draw it for me, I just have to keep searching in my mind for that shape, then I'll be able to use it, like I found a line, but the line has little hairs on it that constantly move, and all my attempts to downsize it have been failures.



Now going back to that image of the mask that I had stuck in my vision, after that night I have it permanently in one of my canvas' since I can bring it up basically at any time, and it'll look exactly the same. It made sense when it happened to me though cause sometimes when I'm looking for a certain image, I feel like I'm cycling through canvas' I have already and selecting the one I want when I find it, except whenever I see the jeweled one I still remember how scared I was that night when it got stuck there, and I won't be able to get rid of the canvas for a few minutes.

Originally Posted by PKJacker

Well the way I kindof got started is first just focusing on learning not to try to use my eyes to see what I was trying to create, and find that other thing that creates it (my eyes still twitch to try to see the picture better, stupid impulses)

After that I tried a brute force method of doing everything possible to induce pictures, except I was using the way I create eyes as a kind of general area to look at.

So far I am hopeless at making squares and stuff, but I can do eyes pretty well except not very detailed because I never tried the way I froze that jeweled mask on an eye image and when I create the eyes I keep twitching and that just breaks the image completely.

So far I found that when trying to create stuff, there's no easy way to draw it for me, I just have to keep searching in my mind for that shape, then I'll be able to use it, like I found a line, but the line has little hairs on it that constantly move, and all my attempts to downsize it have been failures.



Now going back to that image of the mask that I had stuck in my vision, after that night I have it permanently in one of my canvas' since I can bring it up basically at any time, and it'll look exactly the same. It made sense when it happened to me though cause sometimes when I'm looking for a certain image, I feel like I'm cycling through canvas' I have already and selecting the one I want when I find it, except whenever I see the jeweled one I still remember how scared I was that night when it got stuck there, and I won't be able to get rid of the canvas for a few minutes.

I just had an idea you may want to try: Make the mask come down on to your face and put it on, then see through its eyes.

Anyway, yes, I have found that the HH images are easier to see if I don't stare at it. An example is when I am awake, and I see a grid, some of my HUD, or things get wavy or breathe. If I stare at the hallucination, it seems to go away, but it I see it without looking at it, it stays there.
I've also had the opposite experience altering afterimages of the sun's reflection on my eyeball, staring at a white wall.

I just had an idea you may want to try: Make the mask come down on to your face and put it on, then see through its eyes.

Right now I can only make it 2dimensional so that wouldn't really work, plus putting stuff that might block my eye sight still scares me too much to try.

I've also had the opposite experience altering afterimages of the sun's reflection on my eyeball, staring at a white wall.

I'd recommend using just a bright-ish lamp instead of looking at the sun, since the sun can actually hurt your eyes, and there's no need for such an intense light if you're trying to get after images.

Although I've never tried modifying any after image so maybe the imprint the sun makes is different from others, I still suggest you try to find an alternative to the sun.

Originally Posted by PKJacker

Right now I can only make it 2dimensional so that wouldn't really work, plus putting stuff that might block my eye sight still scares me too much to try.

Then, do it! hahaha

I'd recommend using just a bright-ish lamp instead of looking at the sun, since the sun can actually hurt your eyes, and there's no need for such an intense light if you're trying to get after images.

Although I've never tried modifying any after image so maybe the imprint the sun makes is different from others, I still suggest you try to find an alternative to the sun.

Yes, I was looking at the reflection of the sun on a plant, so I am pretty sure it was harmless.

Well after a while of thinking I would give up on it, I started doing it again.

Yesterday I was able to make a fuzzy face on the back of a head of a toy I have in my room while it was mostly in the dark.

Then later I was able to look at the place in my room where the 2 walls and the ceiling meet, draw that out while it was pretty bight in the room, then turn off the light and see it! Best part is I was able to move my head and it stayed in the one area that I drew it at, it didn't get stuck to my eyes like that jeweled mask did.

I did some other stuff after that, but nothing too impressive.


Btw an update on the jeweled mask: I still have it over my vision, but only if I look for it, it's pretty weird. Wonder if I'll ever be able to erase it.

I think this is dangerous

Originally Posted by vuduchild

I think this is dangerous

Like all things, there is a certain level of risk, so you have to be willing to take that risk in order to get the reward.

I personally am still trying to achieve a high level of skill in this area and find it a rewarding thing to strive for.


For me personally it opens up a whole new way of dealing with asking life, for example you'd be able to quickly make a drawing on paper without ever using a pencil or brush. Things like that encourage people to take that necessary risk in this process.

Has anyone become good enough at AVC to try this out? http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ml#post2111504

I am not quite good enough but I want to test the theory.

I want to try this but first, could you tell me if you can restore things to default? I don't mean you know your monitor is black so you make it black. Say you forget what color your monitor is, can you restore it to default? I'm not worried about getting stuck in a false world, I would just turn it into a paradise. I just don't want my family to have to watch me lose touch with reality until I go completely schizophrenia. So before I go any further with this I need you to answer the above question.