Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

I myself wouldn't take a risk for such unreliable power
Dream Control is not that bad anyway even without Advanced Vision Control.
And if you want to use A.V.C. for WILDs then it is still possible for it to not work and just result in falling asleep unconsciously.
Same way counting anchor during WILDs makes some fall asleep and other get successful WILDs

Well I'm thinking if you had a mastery of all your senses you could use this to become extremely successful in the real world. You could enhance physical abilities with an adrenaline rush, you could block out certain sounds in order to achieve a kind of super hearing. The possibilities are endless. It just seems like something too good to pass on, but since I have a hyper-active imagination I don't want it to get out of control.

Originally Posted by Avian

Well I'm thinking if you had a mastery of all your senses you could use this to become extremely successful in the real world. You could enhance physical abilities with an adrenaline rush, you could block out certain sounds in order to achieve a kind of super hearing. The possibilities are endless. It just seems like something too good to pass on, but since I have a hyper-active imagination I don't want it to get out of control.

I think this is good only for lucid dreaming. If you develop LDD to really high level where you can interact with imaginary characters, that sounds like schizophrenia to me, seems like you can forget how to differentiate reality from imagination. But for lucid dreams it sounds perfect.

Of course. For me, I would imagine an off button, so if I wanted to see regular reality, I would just press the button. You can rreally make as much counter measures as you want, and you can be as developed as you let yourself be.

I'm currently able to achieve these very pleasant and relaxing flow of colors, pulsating below my eye lids, usually comes around 5-10 minutes after laying in bed with my sleeping mask on staring into the black void. The pulsating colors are very relaxing and I'm almost a bit excited about achieving it each night. What would my next step be? How can I increase my focus and achieve this faster or for a longer duration?

Edit: lonewolf101 I'm waiting for more updates in your closed eye hallucination topic!

What is an eye mask?

Originally Posted by Avian

What is an eye mask?

I belive he means the 'Sleep Mask'

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

I belive he means the 'Sleep Mask'

that is correct, changed my post now

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream. After I add in the other senses this will be a tutorial on how to manipulate all of your senses directly.

I've got the idea that you are very well into the technical aspects of experiencing something. But I kind of get the idea that it is not really related to spiritual growth. In my opinion one should be focusing on becoming awake in reality by overcoming your limitations by overcoming fear, order to grow, so you can choose to create synergy. I do not see how your technique is anything related to spiritual growth, it seems to be a thrill ride to me only.

There is only one reality, there is no such thing as awake vs dream reality. An experience in physical life is worth as much as an experience from the dream world if you learn the same things from it. It is only about the usefulness of the experience. It is not about in which environment (dream or physical) you have experienced it. That doesn't matter at all. So that your method is meant to be used only in one aspect of reality makes it very less appealing, and not universal to apply. And therefore, logically, isn't usable for spiritual growth, and therefore is insignificant. Though you seem to 'sell' it as it is worth more than "just dream control".

What did this method teach you in aspects of growing spiritually, and consciously choosing to create synergy?

Fact is that none of what you described matters a bit, if there is no spiritual growth in it. How does your method relate to what all great spiritual masters teach? Dali lama and Thomas Campbell are both very different in describing reality, but both great minds describe the very same essence: grow by focusing on synergy.

I now your ego is hurt now. But be honest, and this applies to all readers of this topic that are (seemingly) seeking a thrill ride:
Would you be better of if
a) all your inner characters (your inner child, the father/mother, the neighbor, the spouse...) are hallucinating for their own fun?
b) Or when all your inner characters seeking to work together to be able to cope with a larger reality by growing up and adding value to the reality?

You are not different to reality than a character in your mind is to you. Both are merely perspectives of the same mind. You and I have the same mind.So you and I are together on this. So please, come back from your thrill ride and start seeking to what your real purpose is in this life.

Devoney,

Reading through the content on this forum, I also remember often that this is "just" playing with force/control. I also had the urge to comment along the lines of what you wrote.
But now, when I saw how nicely you articulated the "issue", I changed my view a bit.

I don't know what various people here need to grow up.
For a long time I was under the impression that focusing onto being "helpful" to others is the correct way, the correct intent. I am not saying to not try to be helpful, but trying implied in my case desire/need/expectation. I didn't see it until recently.
Now my intent is to see possibilities out of a balanced state of being and decreasing entropy by being the authentic me at the right time, in the right place.

So basically I just wanted to say that we all should do what we are drawn to do.
Learning control first and then noticing that the cart was in front of the horse is a good way to get power/focus before learning to use it constructively. Everyone has their own unique way and there is no rush. Rushing things implies fear/ego.

You cannot teach truth by talking about it. People need to experience the truth in their own time and in their own way.

Sorry for bumping this thread but here's interesting though i'd like to share:

Fully accomplishing what this guide teaches might give us ability to lucid dream without falling asleep in form of closed-eye hallucination
The benefit of this method to lucid dream is having them at will and they can be as long as you want them to be ( 6 hours even )
but disadvantage is that there's no sleep paralysis so you need to be extra careful (Use imagined movement instead of actual movement?)
And yeah, you might have unwanted hallucinations during daytime

But there's a way to prevent that,
Do what guide teaches you but skip step 3 (Moving closed-eye hallucinations into open-eye space)
That way you won't have to worry about hallucinating while going to school and when you close your eyes you still will be able to lucid dream

Just a random idea of mine
I'm going to try out myself this technique as long as i wont get too lazy

Why not separate it as a lucid playground in a different "thought" area then? I much prefer the traditional lucid dream, but will have different areas of thoughts playing every once in a while when planning evil stuff to do in dreams.