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      What causes physical attraction?

      What causes physical attraction? There must be some way that certain qualities turn us on. For example, big tits turn guys on, but if you think about it they are just sacks of flesh. What causes this. Humans are not the only creatures that do this, animals are turned on by certain things as well. What causes this?

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      The basic, primitive desire to reproduce with the mate that will give you the most genetically superior offspring possible, so that they will have the best possible chance at survival, and, in turn, will pass on their genes (which are half yours).

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      With the case of boobs, they are very fun to play with in my experience.
      157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.

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      I like nice, round asses.
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      You wouldn't believe how many times I have thought this. Instead, just sit back and enjoy. Worry about it when you lose the ability to be physically attracted to something. It's fun while it lasts. Though I doubt anybody loses it. Whatever. You get my point.

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      This is a really complated subject, not easy to answer. When you ask what the 'cause' of physical attraction is, there are a few different approaches that can be taken:

      The evolutionary advantage

      of physical attraction in general: Unhealthy people will often look abnormal. So we become attracted to people who look very normal, with symmetrical faces and well-proportioned faces and bodies. Even some healthy people will still appear ugly to us, for this reason, if they don't have normally proportioned and symmetrical faces.

      of specific physical features:
      Breasts, hips, other feminine qualities: Basically to advertize a good baby making machine.
      Youthful women: As a woman gets older, it's much more likely for a baby she has to have negative mutations, disorders, etc.
      Men of prime age/intelligence/muscle/leadership ability: Helps protect a woman and her children, more likely for the children and woman to survive to produce more offspring.
      ...I could go on

      Biologically: It's just programmed into our brains to find breasts attractive, to find symmetry attractive, etc.

      Psychologically:
      This is a whole other confusing topic. Why is a skinny waist attractive? Do we only think they are because society tells us they are, or do we naturally find thin waists attractive? The ancient Greeks (the men) often found little boys attractive. Does that suggest most of our feelings of physical attraction are programmed into us by society?
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      Okay, I'm going to explain something I've been thinking for a while with 2 images (Jessica Simpson and Megan Fox):




      I chose the two because, to me at least, Jessica Simpson has a very generic pretty look, while Megan Fox has something extra.

      Jessica Simpson has a symmetrical face. She looks on the 'pretty' side because her face is symmetrical and well proportioned. But she's too perfect, in a way. She has nothing unique about her, no distinguishing features.

      Megan fox also has a well-proportioned, symmetrical face. But we also subconsciously pick up some minor abnormalities, which actually, I think, make her more attractive than she would be if she didn't have them. Her mouth goes abnormally forward, a bit, and her upper lip naturally protrudes slightly. Her cheekbones, I think, are a bit closer to the centre of the face than most people's are, giving her an almost chipmunk-like quality which looks a bit 'cute'. Her eyes also have something unique about them, maybe that they're naturally a bit horizontally large or slanted outward.

      I think in general, someone is attractive if all of her (or his) features are in basically the right places - their eyes are a normal distance apart, their chin is of a normal height, etc. Someone occasionally becomes extra attractive if, on top of good facial proportion and symmetry, they have some very minor abnormality. Some abnormal traits complement a person's appearance, while others hinder it. Maybe which traits those are are subjective, and maybe that's why different people find different people attractive.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dianeva View Post
      Biologically: It's just programmed into our brains to find breasts attractive, to find symmetry attractive, etc.
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      I think there's more to it than just simple programming. We see an image. We associate that image with a feeling, either something we've experienced or a projected idea about a future experience. This causes chemicals to be released in the body that cause attraction, arousal.
      157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.

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      Oh god it's Megan Fox kill it with fire.



      Now THIS I find attractive. Also, small breasts, ftw. Dunno why, but I like them more. Size A to small C is sexy-awesome.

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      See, everyone's view on attraction is a bit different. We can all agree on whether someone is generally attractive or not (as long as a face is symmetrical and proportional), but everyone finds different specific qualities exceptionally attractive.

      Even as a straight female, I have a 'taste' in women, meaning I find certain ones more attractive than others. Maybe, if I were a male, that's what my taste would be. Most Asian girls who are usually considered really hot look too childlike to me, like the one above, to be considered hot. I guess most guys like that though. I can still see attractiveness in her, of course (symmetrical face and good proportions, feminine eyes, well places cheekbones, etc.)

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      She actually doesn't look that young.
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      It is not that complicated for the most part. For guys, T&A is attractive. ya some guys prefer small tits or big asses but its a pretty simple formula. for women, i know most people say confidence, which is partly true. but really its just the $$$$ that matters to women. i hate it when girls are asked what they want in a man. they always say, "i just want a guy who can make me laugh" or some other malarkey like that. do you really believe this women? i have plenty of funny friends that cant pick up women. why are you lying? just be honest. you want a guy that can take care of you and future offspring. and you want a penthouse in manhattan and plenty of vacations and hand bags.

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      No, you're generalising. I don't personally go for the 'T&A' thing; for me it's mainly about facial beauty, and also a bright personality.

      I also don't find Megan Fox attractive, I guess because she seems really boring, and that is reflected in her expression.

      Also I think the whole 'symmetry' thing is a load of bollocks. Are you really saying you notice how symmetrical somebody's face is? When you see an unattractive person, do they have unsymmetrical faces generally? No, the only thing that really matters is how close their general features are to those we consider attractive. A handsome guy can have a crooked nose and would be orders of magnitude more unsymmetrical than a plain guy with symmetrical features.

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      I read in some book... I forget where. That, our ancestors species that didn't stand upright, the female part used the curves ov their ass to attract their mate. Over time, when man began standing upright, evolution moved the curvature of the female ass up to the female chest... Creating BOOBIES!
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      Read The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller. Great book about sexual selection in humans.
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      Quote Originally Posted by poopman View Post
      It is not that complicated for the most part. For guys, T&A is attractive. ya some guys prefer small tits or big asses but its a pretty simple formula. for women, i know most people say confidence, which is partly true. but really its just the $$$$ that matters to women. i hate it when girls are asked what they want in a man. they always say, "i just want a guy who can make me laugh" or some other malarkey like that. do you really believe this women? i have plenty of funny friends that cant pick up women. why are you lying? just be honest. you want a guy that can take care of you and future offspring. and you want a penthouse in manhattan and plenty of vacations and hand bags.
      I don't care how much money a guy has, if he's a dick, I won't go out with him. I won't even talk to him. Money is just a nice add on. The money-grabbing girls are probably girls you wouldn't want to date anyway. They choose material things.

      And yeah it's something to do with fertility. Of course, it depends what you personally find attractive. Apparently this is like redder lips, flushed cheeks, shiny hair. Plus curves, although some women don't have curves. It's pretty much signs of health. Mental health probably contributes to this, because we like being around happy people, don't we?
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      If I may take the pessimistic philosophical view: I don't think it's possible to answer this question in a satisfying way. Even if I could spend all day describing in great detail the neural and physiological mechanisms underlying physical attraction, this mechanistic account still wouldn't explain why these processes result in the subjective experience that we identify as attraction. At some point the account must simply end with a mighty explanatory leap to, "and then attraction happens!" Similarly, listing all of the physical features of people which tend to be associated with the perception of attractiveness (as many here have attempted) doesn't explain why those features are associated with the experience of attraction. One could even take the evolutionary tack, explaining in functional terms that organisms who felt compelled by a sense of physical attraction strove harder to mate, or something along those lines, and that it therefore makes sense that this trait of feeling "attraction" has come to dominate within species. But once again, this doesn't explain where the subjective experience of attraction comes from. We can't get there from here. The experience of attraction just happens, we know when it happens, and it feels nice. So I guess you'll have to decide which non-answer to your question you most want to hear about.

      Dennett writes beautifully on this topic (focusing on the experience of pain rather than attraction) in his essays on personal/sub-personal levels of explanation and on building a computer that feels pain.

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      Quote Originally Posted by poopman View Post
      It is not that complicated for the most part. For guys, T&A is attractive. ya some guys prefer small tits or big asses but its a pretty simple formula. for women, i know most people say confidence, which is partly true. but really its just the $$$$ that matters to women. i hate it when girls are asked what they want in a man. they always say, "i just want a guy who can make me laugh" or some other malarkey like that. do you really believe this women? i have plenty of funny friends that cant pick up women. why are you lying? just be honest. you want a guy that can take care of you and future offspring. and you want a penthouse in manhattan and plenty of vacations and hand bags.
      I suppose I'm a bit strange but I can assert with confidence that money matters not the slightest bit to me. Neither does confidence, actually. If anything, confidence repels me. I've never gotten the 'sense of humor' thing. That seems a random characteristic that wouldn't at all affect what I'd find attractive. So if you're claiming that what you say applies to all women, you're wrong. I understand why you might think that, if the women you tend to be around are all that type (maybe if you live in California or Florida or something? I don't know, it's just the stereotype, maybe it's wrong). But from what I can tell, not all women are like that. It depends on where you go, what people you talk to. If I were to hang out with my aunts and cousins all the time, I'd probably think as you do.
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      I'm not a "material girl" either. And neither have I ever tried to pursue anyone which the population at large considers handsome or beautiful. When I was growing up, I never perceived people as attractive or ugly until I spoke with them. Personality, for me, is everything.
      When I was very young, I somehow developed the impression that anyone perceived as handsome or beautiful were players. I concluded such people would never be happy in a committed relationship. I became "blind" to looks. My mom and others used to accuse me of being a "chubby chaser" and of falling for the "under dog".
      It simply doesn't matter to me.

      Attraction, for me, is anyone with a bit of a tortured soul (I'm a bit of a nurturer) but independent (not clingy- I need a lot of space). I don't have a sense of humor, so I could take it or leave it lol. Creativity is nice as is intelligence and self-confidence. Emotional maturity is a MUST.

      Once I got out into the world more and became a stripper, I began to appreciate the human FORM more. As far as art, I love women. I love the curves and the softness and the innocence. But again, there's just something about the eyes that will either grab me or not. Exotic features are nice too: Oriental eyes; dark skin with light eyes.. but then I'm attracted to the mystery, difference, and contrasts.
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      Here's a question my 14 year old daughter just asked me. It seems to be true for the most part:
      Why do most teen aged boys first look at a girls boobs but older guys look at the girls butt?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      Here's a question my 14 year old daughter just asked me. It seems to be true for the most part:
      Why do most teen aged boys first look at a girls boobs but older guys look at the girls butt?
      That does seem true. I’m just hypothesizing here. I might be completely wrong, and a male will have to explain the real answer.

      Maybe it's because breasts are more obvious, a body part that women have and men don't, so it's the main thing males will focus on when they start focusing on females. While with the ass or hips or legs or other female body parts, males have them too but with subtle differences (well to an alien the differences might seem subtle).

      Maybe that's how the part of the brain that finds women attractive develops over time. At first, it's simple, and tells the male to seek out breasts and an hourglass figure because those are the most obvious things women have that men don't. As the male gets older, the part of his brain that sees attractiveness in women starts being attracted to more complicated womanly qualities, like the curvature of the legs, ass and other body parts that are distinctly subtly feminine.

      And maybe the above is true partly because women change to take on these more womanly qualities as they get older. Teenage girls' bodies are not yet 100% womanly. They're something in between child and woman, most of their future womanly features only partially formed. So the males their age don’t need to focus much on womanly features besides the obvious ones yet.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mario92 View Post
      Also, small breasts, ftw. Dunno why, but I like them more. Size A to small C is sexy-awesome.
      This x10. They just seem better proportioned.

      I couldn't care less about proportions when it comes to a big plump rump though. =D

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      Here's a question my 14 year old daughter just asked me. It seems to be true for the most part:
      Why do most teen aged boys first look at a girls boobs but older guys look at the girls butt?
      Because kids are stupid; what kind of fool would put anything before a behind? Or, like Dianeva said, it could also be because younger girls don't usually have much of an ass when compared to older women so we don't notice it for a while.
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      Attraction is an extremely complex thing that cannot be properly be explained by anyone here. Books have been written and seduction techniques have been formulated in an attempt to explain attraction. Even though people have formulated theories of attraction and have had great success in testing them, they only explain attraction on a shallow, narrow level.

      Funny thing: A lot of people seem to form their beliefs on this subject based on what does and doesn't work for them and based on what they've perceived other people in their immediate vicinity to be attracted to.

      @Xei - Symmetry seems to be somewhat of a weak factor in determining physical attractiveness. I would say it's foolhardy to attempt to define someone's attractiveness by how symmetrical you think their face looks, like Dianeva did. You can't exactly judge a person's facial symmetry just by looking at them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      Here's a question my 14 year old daughter just asked me. It seems to be true for the most part:
      Why do most teen aged boys first look at a girls boobs but older guys look at the girls butt?
      I'm fifteen and I look at butts and thighs in tight jeans and short shorts. Lucky for me, almost every girl my age wears tight jeans, big fashion now a days. At least at my school.

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