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      The Dangers of Anti-Depressant Drugs. Big Pharma



      This is crazy how most dangerous drugs are legal. I'm worried that my mother is on Prozac now, my girlfriends mother is on some Bi-Polar medicine and she completely flips out sometimes, and I know it's the drugs doing this.

      Some of the horror stories I hear from the anti-depressant Effexor were unbelievable...to see people suffering like this, from a drug that doctors prescribe all the time. I think the worst part of all this is the people that kill their families and slay babies are all on some form of SSRI like Alex Jones pointed out.



      Jesus..I hope this wakes some people up..Thank God I learned meditation.

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      Some of the medication they advertise are deadly. They have death as a side effect listed right on the bottle and they say it in your ads on the tv. I don't think anyone should be taking medication if they side effects are worse that what you are trying to treat, and taking multiple medication so they can counteract each others side effects is a losing battle.

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      I think the biggest problem is that psychiatric medication can be prescribed (last I heard) by pretty much any doctor. Would you go to an Ophthalmologist for a heart surgery? Go to the doctor that specializes in the field and knows what's being prescribed.

      General Practicioners messed me up majorly by off-handedly prescribing this and that. Once I started seeing a Psychiatrist, though, and he undid all the past damage, I have benefited tremendously from meds such as Prozac, Provigil and Strattera. It's not an exact science though. Everyone's chemistry is a bit different. Through trial and error (closely supervised) we discovered that Prozac type meds (Celexa, Lexapro) work wonderfully but not Strattera so much.
      Go to the person who knows what they're doing.

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      LOL ALEX JONES.


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      This is clearly bullshit. The first guy obviously doesn't know the first thing about drugs. He might be right about doctors prescribing it too aggressively, but all the other stuff he says just destroys his credibility completely.
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      Yeah... unfortunately, my hubby LOVES Alex Jones. I'm given a lot of grief for taking meds.

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      That guy is such an asshole. Listening to him is as bad as Fox News.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      General Practicioners messed me up majorly by off-handedly prescribing this and that. Once I started seeing a Psychiatrist, though, and he undid all the past damage, I have benefited tremendously from meds such as Prozac, Provigil and Strattera.
      Priceless.

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      It's been a process. lol He just doesn't say: "Here, take all of these now and let's see what happens."
      I've been seeing my p-doc since around 2001.
      General MD's, on the other hand... you see them for a couple of hours and they prescribe stuff and never see you again.

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      He is right in that you need to be careful with the medication. Starting and stopping them, people don't think about it but if you suddenly quit that kind of medication, it can really mess you up too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
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      It's been a process. lol He just doesn't say: "Here, take all of these now and let's see what happens."
      I've been seeing my p-doc since around 2001.
      General MD's, on the other hand... you see them for a couple of hours and they prescribe stuff and never see you again.
      Yeah well I started the same way you did, with my GP putting me on several different drugs, but my process has culminated in two things: I am now off all medications, and I now feel better than I ever have. I guess I didn't need the drugs after all. Oops.

      Maybe you should have more faith in yourself and less faith in the pill.

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      Nah... "better living through chemistry" is my motto.
      (I've stated truer reasons elsewhere so I'm not going to jack the thread by repeating it).

      Alric, I've known several people who had troubles getting off meds. Personally, I don't understand it because I've never had any problems. I've heard it can be pretty bad though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      He is right in that you need to be careful with the medication. Starting and stopping them, people don't think about it but if you suddenly quit that kind of medication, it can really mess you up too.
      That's the whole point I'm trying to make, anything that gives you withdrawals like that isn't good. That's like a doctor prescribing your crack or heroin.

      Yea your high is good, but what happens when you miss a dose? If a crack addict suddenly stops smoking, he's going to have some serious problems. Just doesn't seem good to be doped up like that constantly. But it's all good to get high as long as the drug is legal...but people look down upon dope junkies and potheads

      I mean Jesus, brain zaps?..from something a doctor gives you. That sounds so painful and excruciating....
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      I had brain zaps BEFORE I was medicated. I had almost forgotten about that until I watched the video. No one used that term and describing it was nearly impossible lol
      I got mine as part of anxiety induced catalepsy.

      Which is curious to me now to hear it in connection to meds nearly 10 years later.

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      alex jones is a fear monger...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post

      I mean Jesus, brain zaps?..from something a doctor gives you. That sounds so painful and excruciating....
      Well, I've gone through the whole withdrawal process so I can tell you, the brain zaps are shitty but they're not the worst part. The worst part is that starting a few months after you stop taking the meds, and lasting several months or even years, is a feeling of deep depression and a sort of disconnectedness from your own memories. It's tough to describe, but it's extremely painful -- emotionally. It sort of feels like you're dead and you're a ghost remembering the life you once had.

      But like I said, this doesn't happen right away, which is why poor fools like Zhaylin (no offense) can be lead to believe that these symptoms are self generated, when in fact they're withdrawals, plain and simple. They do go away, but only if you stay off the meds. Your doctor WILL shove a script in your face, but luckily they can't force feed you those pills.

      Anyway, we all know this deep down, but some people are in denial. A couple of years ago I was saying the exact same stuff Zhaylin was saying, but fortunately I got my hands on a nasty psychedelic called 2C-E and it gave me the clarity to see what I was doing to myself. It was a painful journey, but I'm proud to say that I'm off all drugs now and feeling great. Even better than before the drugs, because now I know my battles are behind me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      Yeah well I started the same way you did, with my GP putting me on several different drugs, but my process has culminated in two things: I am now off all medications, and I now feel better than I ever have. I guess I didn't need the drugs after all. Oops.

      Maybe you should have more faith in yourself and less faith in the pill.
      That doesn't mean that everyone should "get off all medications". And Zhaylin's not a fool
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      Thanks Seroquel

      The bottom line is: coming off of ANY med can be painful and/or dangerous.
      Talk to your doctor. See a specialist. Pay attention to your body and to any side effects.
      Work with your doctor when coming off meds. Don't quit cold turkey.
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      Hey, I'm very curious about this - I've heard anti-depressants described as disassociatives (is that right?) - in spite of their obvious terrible effects, do they cause a similar disassociation from reality as psychoactive drugs, meaning could there be some benefit in terms of ego-death from using them?

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      A lot of docs prescribe drugs way too quickly. I think most of us can agree to that. I'm okay with that, pretty much. But in my honest/humble opinion. Most drugs prescribed do not fix the problem. Especially with anti-depressants. The problem is almost always psychological. It is my belief that ur psychological state has to do with the chemistry released in ur brain. Taking drugs will serve to refuel ur brain with the "happy chemicals" you need. But it does nothing whatsoever to fix the long-term issue. And the side-effects that go with it are usually not worth it. Not to mention the extreme setback when you get off the meds and are back to baseline. The fact that you need to gradually lessen the intake and cope with still being psychologically dependant on the drugs sounds a lot like heroin to me.

      I wish doctors would prescribe other drugs instead. A good one for therapy is simply Ayahuasca. Thousands of years of traditional use. It is very tested and it is very safe. As long as you follow an appropiate diet. A good ayahuasca trip is much like really intense therapy. Unlike conventional therapy. Once ayahuasca is active, you can't escape. You MUST deal with the issues at hand. They range vastly from person to person. But generally people find long-term peace after even one session with Ayahuasca. It's like years of intense therapy compressed in a few hour experience. That goes along with beautiful visions and profound insights about life itself. And altho i have no evidence to back up this claim i think a mere difference in ur thinking can have the same effect that any drug does to you. But because you have learned to do it naturally you do not have to deal with the unpleasant side-effects that most legal labaratory drugs can give you.

      So to sum it up.. Pharma drugs can only give short-term solutions to a complicated problem. In some cases this is enough. But i don't think we can keep doing this forever.
      Just look up ayahuasca if you haven't already and see for yourself the potential this medicine can have.

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      Too many people are already taking different kinds of meds. As Dthoughts summed up, anti-depressants never fix the original cause. Some people seem to believe that pills actually cure something. Of course, in case of hard mental illnesses taking drugs is crucial part of treatment, but it is never the main aim. But what I have seen, even here, people who have little problems are diagnosed with mild derpression and given meds. That is not the way in my point of view. Life isn't always easy, but awfully lot seem to think that they are really depressed so they can take meds. I have friends who have been severly depressed and one is bipolar. They need their meds to cope with the treatment. I have never used myself, even thought there have been times in my life when I truly was heavily depressed.

      Also, doctors like to prescribe antiobiotics too easily. You should not eat antibiotics untill you have something really bad. They start to lose their effectiveness if constantly used for every flu, combined that they destroy the beneficial bacteria as well.
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      Hey, ur post reminded me of a friend. Who was psychotic for 2 years. Suffering from hallucinations and delusions. Ever since he took meds for it the effects lessened. And now he is gradually getting off the meds. And does meditation and breathing excersices regularly. He's doing really good now. He's dead afraid to try any hallucinogens because it might, and it probably will reactive his psychotic disorder.
      Which brings me to the point i always want to make.. Is it really a disorder? Are we not looking at a natural phenomenom that we do not understand. I think psychologists need to look at alternatives. Instead of always trying to fix and remove the thing that is causing issues. Look at it in a objective light and see if it might unleash some potential. Perhaps simple breathing excersices and the gathering of facts can go a long way in coming to terms with ur personality. Great names are always rumoured to have certain disorders. Our own minds can turn a blessing into a curse. And the other way around..

      Don't take my word for it i'm definetly NOT qualified to draw real conclusions. But i urge everyone to gather facts about this. And i hope to do something about this when i finish school.
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      What is so sad is that stuff like this may stop people who really need it from seeking help.

      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Hey, I'm very curious about this - I've heard anti-depressants described as disassociatives (is that right?) - in spite of their obvious terrible effects, do they cause a similar disassociation from reality as psychoactive drugs, meaning could there be some benefit in terms of ego-death from using them?
      No, anti-depressants are much more subtle. Their effects build up slowly over weeks, and if they're working correctly, they should just make you normal again. Which is why they have absolutely no street value.
      Also, what obvious terrible effects?

      Quote Originally Posted by Dthoughts View Post
      Most drugs prescribed do not fix the problem. (...) Taking drugs will serve to refuel ur brain with the "happy chemicals" you need. But it does nothing whatsoever to fix the long-term issue.
      Which is why it's recommended with both drugs and therapy for anything more than a mild depression. However drugs are often chosen instead of therapy to treat mild depressions, which I agree might be a mistake.

      Quote Originally Posted by Dthoughts View Post
      And the side-effects that go with it are usually not worth it. Not to mention the extreme setback when you get off the meds and are back to baseline. The fact that you need to gradually lessen the intake and cope with still being psychologically dependant on the drugs sounds a lot like heroin to me.
      You don't get that psychologically dependant on anti-depressants, because you can't feel their immediate effects. You do however get physically dependant, because your brain chemistry gets used to the help. But quitting does not leave you back at baseline. Studies show that if your depression is successfully treated with drugs, you are much less likely to have a relapse than if you weren't treated at all. (Not surprisingly drugs+therapy gives the best odds)

      Quote Originally Posted by Dthoughts View Post
      I wish doctors would prescribe other drugs instead. A good one for therapy is simply Ayahuasca. Thousands of years of traditional use. It is very tested and it is very safe. As long as you follow an appropiate diet. A good ayahuasca trip is much like really intense therapy.
      I would like to see more studies on the effectiveness of various psychedelics in treating psychological problems, but unfortunately that's unlikely to happen any time soon, with the current mindset.

      Quote Originally Posted by Dthoughts View Post
      Which brings me to the point i always want to make.. Is it really a disorder? Are we not looking at a natural phenomenom that we do not understand. I think psychologists need to look at alternatives. Instead of always trying to fix and remove the thing that is causing issues. Look at it in a objective light and see if it might unleash some potential.
      If it's something that makes it really hard for people to function in society, if it's something that makes their lives worse... isn't that something we should wish to cure? Sure, some people might have something that's technically a disorder and be fine with it, or even love it. Well, good for them. No need for anyone else to butt in. But when it's a problem, people should be helped.
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      khh - are you speaking as someone who's actually taken antidepressants?

      Also, I just realized - I think I was wrong about them being called dissociatives. But from the way people describe it - it sounds like taking them removes you emotionally from any sense of being in touch with life. Maybe that's completely different from psychoactive drugs, which cause more of an intellectual dissociation rather than emotional. But I'd really like to hear from somebody who's used prescription antidepressants and psychoactve drugs and can speak from experience.

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