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      A major gun grab is going on in Connecticut. Hmmm, I wonder if Sandy Hoax is connected to this. I guess getting the U.S. to join the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty wasn't the only reason for the hoax.

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      34 Questions On Sandy Hook Shooting That Have Never Been

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      Petition to the White House for an independent investigation of Sandy Hoax:

      https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...oting/dS2KF0xH
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      What really appears to be a gun control propaganda hoax resulted in a gun grab scenario? Wow, nobody saw this coming.



      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ll-not-comply/

      http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/citizens-...register-guns/
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      Some awful acting is in that video. It's the worst I have seen yet. Also, Carlee Soto claims that "millions and millions of Americans" are being killed by guns in the United States. She says it while an FBI statistic of 11,493 gun homicides per year is on the screen and it is at the bottom of the list.
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      Video: National School Safety Expert: Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud Washington's Blog


      law enforcement parked 1/4 mile away upon arrival. Why didn’t they rush to a heart-wrenching emergency if it really occurred?
      no trauma helicopters were ordered. This is unheard of for an actual emergency.
      no paramedics were allowed in the school. This is unheard of.
      officials refuse to say who declared all 26 people dead. By law, this must come from a doctor. This refusal of so much basic information indicates lies and cover-ups.
      official narrative claims emergency personnel didn’t find the school secretary and nurse after 4 hours of searching.
      this “event” included a traffic sign lit with the message, “everyone must sign in.” Officials refuse any comment on this element that would be present for a staged event/drill.
      porta potties were on site; again with no comment by officials and consistent with holding a staged event.
      no names were listed for the 26 children and chorus director at the 2013 Super Bowl event in honor of Sandy Hook. The children resemble the alleged shooting victims. It’s unimaginable to not list these names for such a huge deal.
      no lawsuits filed by parents for negligence against school district. This is unheard of.
      Asperger’s causes poor motor skills and muscle tone – how did an alleged 120 pound shooter without training carry ~30 pounds of gear to shoot with such precision? This combination seems impossible to imagine.
      2 homicide investigators threatened Mr. Halbig for making inquiries consistent with his professional duties to learn about this event for future school safety.
      Newtown Public Schools won’t return any calls. Mr. Halbig says this non-cooperation to contribute information for other schools’ safety is unheard of.
      the FBI classified the report on Sandy Hook. This has never been done before, and indicates a cover-up of all the evidence that this was a staged event.
      radio transmissions are consistent in tone and content for a drill, not an actual emergency.
      multiple weapons reported at a limited crime scene were never found. This is not credible.
      law enforcement sent a kindergarten girl from the hall to stay at the crime scene of room 8 to be alone with dead bodies. This is a ridiculous claim that demands investigation and answers.
      no parents viewed the bodies of their children. This is also unheard of.
      no documents are being released via Freedom of Information Act requests. This is unheard of.
      trauma services were never requested. This would never occur.
      tearing down the school is consistent with destruction of evidence, given the HUGE gaps between official accounts and the evidence.
      there’s zero evidence that a bio-hazard company was contacted to clean blood, bodily fluids, and officials refuse comment. This is impossible.
      Mr. Halbig’s inquiries of who installed the school security system has been met with silence. This is unheard of to not get this information to improve other schools.
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      Don't eyes have pupils?

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      I'm about to chill out with talking to brick walls about this issue, so this thread doesn't have to stay bumped up unless somebody else wants it to be, but I want to post something really crazy that even I dismissed at first. Get a good look the faces in this. If any of you are good at facial recognition, see what you think.



      This is a good summary of a lot:

      Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax | Veterans Today

      Okay, United States of America. Good luck with this issue. I did my part. I'll post another link if something really off the charts gets revealed, but I'm pretty much through with this. The country will accept the truth of it when the country is ready to accept the truth of it. That might take decades.
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      Alright you've convinced me, now what do we do?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      Alright you've convinced me, now what do we do?
      Vote for Libertarians and buy people guns for Christmas and birthdays in order to increase the number gun fans and thereby make the Second Amendment harder to take away. Then again, what if the Libertarian Party and the gun industry were behind Sandy Hook? They both benefitted tremendously from it.
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      Okay, I found another nice jackpot of good information.

      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiJ...09afWsQ/videos

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      UM what do you think about the FBI crime stats listing zero murders in Newtown in 2012?
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      UM what do you think about the FBI crime stats listing zero murders in Newtown in 2012?
      Holy shit... I somehow didn't even know about that until you brought it up. I just researched it. At first, I was just seeing articles from Alex Jones, God Like Productions, and other conspiracy sites. However, I got directed to the FBI's page, fbi.gov. It's right here.

      FBI — Table 8 - Connecticut

      I never thought the FBI was involved in the hoax. I do think some FBI agent imposters were. What do you think of what it says on that page? Is there a possibility we might be overlooking?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Holy shit... I somehow didn't even know about that until you brought it up. I just researched it. At first, I was just seeing articles from Alex Jones, God Like Productions, and other conspiracy sites. However, I got directed to the FBI's page, fbi.gov. It's right here.

      FBI — Table 8 - Connecticut

      I never thought the FBI was involved in the hoax. I do think some FBI agent imposters were. What do you think of what it says on that page? Is there a possibility we might be overlooking?
      It clearly lists Newtown with zero murders and negligent manslaughters. It's right there, and undeniable. But if we only looked at those stats, we would indeed be overlooking something.

      The FBI does not group all murders into the same category; they seem to differentiate between regular murders and deaths from an active shooter. If there is what they call an "active shooter" event, such as there was at Sandy Hook, any deaths there would be listed in their active shooter stats instead of regular murder stats. For example, their September 2013 report on active shooter incidents between 2000 and 2013 includes the Newtown deaths. To add to that, the deaths fell under state jurisdiction, so Connecticut's 2012 crime report lists the Sandy Hook deaths as well.
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      That's some weird, convoluted shit. Active shootings that result in deliberate death, such as what is described in the fiction story of Sandy Hook, qualify as murders under federal law.

      18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder | LII / Legal Information Institute

      Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed, is murder in the first degree.

      So why is there no spot for active shootings on the crime stats page if they somehow don't qualify as murders? Also, can you tell me on which pages of the long report you posted there is backing for your claims?

      You don't have to convince me that local law enforcement got infiltrated by corrupt fucks. I already knew that.

      So it's verified. The FBI crime statistics for 2012 involve zero murders in Newtown, Connecticut. I am really glad you told me about this. Thank you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      So why is there no spot for active shootings on the crime stats page if they somehow don't qualify as murders?
      I said they differentiate between them, not that they don't qualify as murders. See my comments on how the FBI page collected the data.

      Also, can you tell me on which pages of the long report you posted there is backing for your claims?
      For the CT State report: page 11 (see footnote 2), page 12 (see second footnote) footnote), page 245 (Newtown municipal data, see footnote 3) and page 415 (State Police data, see footnote 3). You'll notice that the Newtown municipal data lists 0 murders just like the FBI crime stat page. But the State Police data does list the deaths.

      You don't have to convince me that local law enforcement got infiltrated by corrupt fucks. I already knew that.
      Actually the reason I asked if you had heard of that FBI list was to see what your reaction was to see whether you'd investigate the issue yourself and see that the omission in the FBI list is due to differences in jurisdiction and record keeping, or do what most conspiracy theorists do and unflinchingly and immediately incorporate it into their conspiracy as evidence of, in this case, a hoax. As I expected, you chose the latter route.

      So it's verified. The FBI crime statistics for 2012 involve zero murders in Newtown, Connecticut. I am really glad you told me about this. Thank you.
      That list shows zero murders because it is based on municipal data which did not include the Sandy Hook deaths since they fell under state jurisdiction. If you don't believe me, you can look at the data declaration under the FBI list:

      This table provides the volume of violent crime (murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) and property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, and motor vehicle theft) as reported by city and town law enforcement agencies (listed alphabetically by state) that contributed data to the UCR Program.

      The data used in creating this table were from all city and town law enforcement agencies submitting 12 months of complete offense data for 2012.

      How could the omission be evidence of a hoax when the deaths are included in two separate reports, including one by the FBI itself?
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      No, I asked if there is something we are overlooking. Do I need to quote myself? However, your explanation does not take away the Twilight Zone element. If true, it illustrates a very bizarre disconnect between the FBI and local law enforcement. The FBI did in fact report zero murders in Newtown, Connecticut, for 2012. If there was incompetence on the part of town and state law enforcement in that process, that's weird as shit too. I don't think it was incompetence, though. It was corruption. That is the real story.

      Reminder: The FBI crime report listed ZERO MURDERS for Newtown, Connecticut, for 2012. Babble away about convoluted what the fuck all you want. That is one more bizarre as Hell fact to add to the mountain of bizarre facts concerning Sandy Hoax.

      Here it is again:

      http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr..._city_2012.xls


      P.S.- I need to ask you this again because you dodged it last time. On what page of that long FBI report you linked is their inclusion of the supposed Sandy Hook MURDERS? If they did include that data, how did they get the information?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      No, I asked if there is something we are overlooking. Do I need to quote myself?
      I believe I've already answered this. If you're asking for more, be specific.

      However, your explanation does not take away the Twilight Zone element. If true, it illustrates a very bizarre disconnect between the FBI and local law enforcement. The FBI did in fact report zero murders in Newtown, Connecticut, for 2012. If there was incompetence on the part of town and state law enforcement in that process, that's weird as shit too. I don't think it was incompetence, though. It was corruption. That is the real story.
      There's no disconnect; the page itself explicitly states that the data were pulled from local police data. That they list 0 murders is because the shooting fell under state jurisdiction.

      Reminder: The FBI crime report listed ZERO MURDERS for Newtown, Connecticut, for 2012. Babble away about convoluted what the fuck all you want. That is one more bizarre as Hell fact to add to the mountain of bizarre facts concerning Sandy Hoax.
      I introduced the FBI crime report to you four days ago and it has taken you less time than that to incorporate it into your worldview despite receiving the explanation for the data in the report. If I were to run a study on "trends in conspiracy theorizing", you would be my representative sample.

      I'm the one who showed you the page. You don't need to link it to me.

      P.S.- I need to ask you this again because you dodged it last time. On what page of that long FBI report you linked is their inclusion of the supposed Sandy Hook MURDERS? If they did include that data, how did they get the information?
      I thought I had answered this since you vaguely referred to "the long report." Since the Connecticut State report is, you know, really long, I gave you the references for it. If you wanted the FBI report, you should have specified.

      For the FBI Active Shooter Incident (2000-2013) report: page 15, page 40. The report's methodology is on page 44. It's unclear what you mean by "how did they get that information?" Are you asking me how they collected data?
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      I believe I've already answered this. If you're asking for more, be specific.
      What are you doing? The point was to counter a comment you made, not to ask the question again. You lied by saying I jumped the gun. That was false. I asked if there was something we were overlooking. You're back on troll watch.
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      There's no disconnect; the page itself explicitly states that the data were pulled from local police data. That they list 0 murders is because the shooting fell under state jurisdiction.
      They were still murders, according to the fiction story. The situation shows incompetence at best and corruption at worst. There is no good excuse for local law enforcement reporting zero murders to the FBI if there were 27. No matter how you try to spin this, something fucked up happened in the communication process. Period.

      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      I introduced the FBI crime report to you four days ago and it has taken you less time than that to incorporate it into your worldview despite receiving the explanation for the data in the report. If I were to run a study on "trends in conspiracy theorizing", you would be my representative sample.
      That's cute, little Johnny. You are not explaining away the communication faultiness involved in the scenario. There is something really screwed up. Explaining what is screwed up does not explain how it is not screwed up. You are not getting around that.

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      I'm the one who showed you the page. You don't need to link it to me.
      I didn't link it to you. I linked it for the other people reading this.

      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      I thought I had answered this since you vaguely referred to "the long report." Since the Connecticut State report is, you know, really long, I gave you the references for it. If you wanted the FBI report, you should have specified.

      For the FBI Active Shooter Incident (2000-2013) report: page 15, page 40. The report's methodology is on page 44. It's unclear what you mean by "how did they get that information?" Are you asking me how they collected data?
      Yep. You just played desperate lawyer for the local law enforcement by talking about what the procedure is on giving the FBI information as if that explains away how fucked up it is. So if the FBI didn't get information from local law enforcement on how many murders there were in Newtown for their crime stats page, how did they get it for the report you linked? Why didn't they use that route for posting the information on their crime stats page?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      What are you doing? The point was to counter a comment you made, not to ask the question again. You lied by saying I jumped the gun. That was false. I asked if there was something we were overlooking. You're back on troll watch.
      I don't think we are overlooking anything given the robust explanation I've provided. I didn't lie; your posts make it clear that you think the omission on the FBI website is more evidence that the shooting at Sandy Hook elementary was a hoax. Do you disagree?

      They were still murders, according to the fiction story. The situation shows incompetence at best and corruption at worst. There is no good excuse for local law enforcement reporting zero murders to the FBI if there were 27. No matter how you try to spin this, something fucked up happened in the communication process. Period.
      Whether they were murders or not was never up for debate. I said they were not collected in municipal murder data (i.e. the FBI website) since the shooting did not fall under municipal jurisdiction. I even provided the data collection rationale the website provides.

      That's cute, little Johnny. You are not explaining away the communication faultiness involved in the scenario. There is something really screwed up. Explaining what is screwed up does not explain how it is not screwed up. You are not getting around that.
      It's not screwed up; I provided the explanation which is based on differing methods of data collection. Even if the Sandy Hook shooting never happened, the data would've been collected in the same way.

      Yep. You just played desperate lawyer for the local law enforcement by talking about what the procedure is on giving the FBI information as if that explains away how fucked up it is. So if the FBI didn't get information from local law enforcement on how many murders there were in Newtown for their crime stats page, how did they get it for the report you linked? Why didn't they use that route for posting the information on their crime stats page?
      The FBI crime stats page is based on voluntary submissions from local law enforcement. The FBI does not collect the data itself. Rather, it receives it from local agencies and just compiles it into a report. Local agencies collect the data for the various categories (murder, rape, etc.) that fall under their jurisdiction.

      The FBI active shooter report is different. The FBI collected the data on incidents in that report regardless of jurisdiction. And as you can see, Sandy Hook was included.

      If you still don't believe me, look again at the Connecticut State report. Newtown is listed with zero murders, just like the FBI website. Why? Because that's the data the FBI compiled for their website. But under the data for the CT state police, the Sandy Hook deaths are included. I included references in an earlier post.

      I can go even further with my explanation. That data was omitted from the FBI website is not new; they did the same thing for 9/11 (page 3). An extra ~3000 deaths would be problematic if you're analyzing NY's crime stats. With Newtown, for a place with zero murders falling under municipal jurisdiction, an extra 27 would be just as problematic.
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      You're missing the boat, on purpose. The FBI reported zero murders in Newtown, Connecticut, for 2012 although there were supposedly 27 murders that year in a matter of minutes. That's fucked up. Explaining who fucked up and how does not counter the point that it is fucked up. Saying that the fucked upness is standard procedure does not get around the fact that it is fucked up either. It's extremely bizarre. Local law enforcement can report all murders to the FBI. They can. It would not be hard. If the system is set up so that it doesn't happen that way, that's insane.
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      I wasn't countering a point which claims somebody fucked up. Look, if you want to have the FBI's UCR program include all data, both state and local, then send them a letter. Don't complain to me.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      I wasn't countering a point which claims somebody fucked up. Look, if you want to have the FBI's UCR program include all data, both state and local, then send them a letter. Don't complain to me.
      Ha ha, complaining to you? You jumped back into this thread to discuss an issue that you brought up and to illustrate a lack of strangeness concerning the situation, so I explained what really is very strange about that situation. Did you forget that we were having a discussion on an issue that you introduced?
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