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      FBI Says No One Killed at Sandy Hook
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      Agency publishes crime report showing “0″ murders occurred in Newtown in 2012

      Recently released FBI crime statistics curiously show that no murders occurred in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012, despite reports that numerous schoolchildren and faculty members were slaughtered during a shooting rampage in December of that year.



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      ...We just fucking went over that.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      ...We just fucking went over that.
      Do it again, and do it slow so he really feels it.

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      Excellent article relating to conspiracy theorizing: NeuroLogica Blog » Anomaly Hunting and the Umbrella Man
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      Excellent article relating to conspiracy theorizing: NeuroLogica Blog » Anomaly Hunting and the Umbrella Man
      Indeed. And there's value in the comments as well. I really liked this part:

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      I see it as different tunings of our heuristics mechanisms: after all, seeing patterns, categorizing (and, often, assigning meaning) is the first necessary step to thinking about anything. And I think it’s a multi-dimensional spectrum, governed by brain wiring, personality traits, previous experience, current mental state, etc.
      I enjoy seeing this site's scope. Even a very good article on Ebola and human error. Been reading for quite a while on the former topic - maybe I should start a thread. That's a real topic.

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      Here is another good article on conspiracy theorizing:

      True Government Conspiracies - Business Insider
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      Sounds credible enough, UM, upon glancing over it. I take a little issue with calling them "huge", but it would certainly be irrational to expect no conspiracies to exist whatsoever. The bigger they supposedly are, the less credible, usually. Especially if they include hundreds of civilians in the know.

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      That's a good outlook. Most, if not all, of those have been declassified by the government. Operation Northwoods would have been much more insane than Sandy Hook if it had been carried out. All of the Joint Chiefs of Staff endorsed the plan, but Kennedy did not approve it. The government declassified the proposal document, which means that they made it available to the public.

      Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals for actions against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals, which called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in US cities and elsewhere, were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]

      At the time of the proposal, Cuba had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts.[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

      The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

      Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

      The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.
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      In addition to these, there were the attempts at measures that were almost taken but didn't quite make it. The two biggest were Dianne Feinstein's assault weapons ban bill that didn't pass the Senate and the attempt by 46 Senators to allow the United States to enter the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty.

      23 Gun Safety Victories Since Sandy Hook | Blog | Media Matters for America

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      This is the latest masterpiece documentary on Sandy Hoax. A lot of fascinating points I had not come across before are made in it.

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      Thanks for the videos Universal Mind. Very eye-opening information. It's funny how some people refuse to entertain ideas that contradict their world view, even in the presence of solid evidence.
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      Quote Originally Posted by VinceField View Post
      Thanks for the videos Universal Mind. Very eye-opening information. It's funny how some people refuse to entertain ideas that contradict their world view, even in the presence of solid evidence.
      I'm glad you see what is so bizarre about Sandy Hook. I was hoping to help at least a few people get the picture. Yeah, it is mind-blowing how so many people don't see what is severely warped about the scenario. The hoax idea seems so insane on the surface that it's really hard for a lot of people to see past the surface.

      For a while, I was just about the only person here arguing against the 9/11 inside job theory, but a lot of people were arguing for it. Lately, I have been just about the only person arguing that Sandy Hook was a hoax while a lot of people have been arguing that it was not one. I was not a conspiracy theorist about anything until I studied Sandy Hook. It gave me a whole new way of looking at things. From there, I studied Operation Northwoods, Project Artichoke, Operation Mockingbird, Gulf of Tonkin, and fake CNN broadcasts. Now I am skeptical of every news story I come across.
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      9/11 was a conspiracy of incompetence.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      ... I was just about the only person here arguing against the 9/11 inside job theory...
      Hey, 9/11 WAS an inside job. It has been proven using remote viewing....
      "...what we experience is our model of reality, not reality itself. Perception is dreaming constrained by sensory input. So it’s a constrained dream, whereas dreaming is perception free of constraint. What exactly is the difference experientially between the dream and waking state? And you see, it’s the same stuff. It’s all illusion! "Stephen LaBerge

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      Quote Originally Posted by SearcherTMR View Post
      Hey, 9/11 WAS an inside job. It has been proven using remote viewing....
      Hmm, I'm skeptical.
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      ^^ That's ok. Everyone has his point of view. But I practice RV and I am convinced that these RV sessions are genuine and so are the data...
      "...what we experience is our model of reality, not reality itself. Perception is dreaming constrained by sensory input. So it’s a constrained dream, whereas dreaming is perception free of constraint. What exactly is the difference experientially between the dream and waking state? And you see, it’s the same stuff. It’s all illusion! "Stephen LaBerge

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      Quote Originally Posted by SearcherTMR View Post
      Hey, 9/11 WAS an inside job. It has been proven using remote viewing....
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      Quote Originally Posted by VinceField View Post
      Thanks for the videos Universal Mind. Very eye-opening information. It's funny how some people refuse to entertain ideas that contradict their world view, even in the presence of solid evidence.
      That is because there is no evidence at all to support this crazy stuff. Some people use the term 'evidence' very loosely. If someone 'thinks' someone 'might' be acting strangely, that isn't evidence. That is speculation. People who believe Sandy Hook is a hoax is full of wild speculation but no evidence. Evidence would be something like, the bodies of the dead children, the bullet holes in the building, the weapons found at the scene, and all that.

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      Are you still fighting this battle, Alric? It's a lost cause, man. There's no convincing people that they have a loose horse when all the want to find are zebras.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      That is because there is no evidence at all to support this crazy stuff. Some people use the term 'evidence' very loosely. If someone 'thinks' someone 'might' be acting strangely, that isn't evidence. That is speculation. People who believe Sandy Hook is a hoax is full of wild speculation but no evidence. Evidence would be something like, the bodies of the dead children, the bullet holes in the building, the weapons found at the scene, and all that.
      You forget that in the conspiracy theory mindset, even lack of evidence is taken just as equally as real evidence. They do anything to fit the wrong-shaped puzzle piece into the hole.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      That is because there is no evidence at all to support this crazy stuff. Some people use the term 'evidence' very loosely. If someone 'thinks' someone 'might' be acting strangely, that isn't evidence.
      If someone is obviously acting, it is evidence. If EVERYONE is obviously acting, it is very strong evidence.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Evidence would be something like, the bodies of the dead children
      Hey, we agree on something. The bodies of dead children would be evidence. That is very true, but the public has never had access to seeing pictures of any of them, and the funerals were closed casket. The official narrative says that even parents were not allowed to see the bodies.

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      the bullet holes in the building
      What building? It got torn down.

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      the weapons found at the scene
      Which the mainstream media said were something but then changed their story when "police and federal officials" told them the guns were just hand guns before mainstream media changed their story yet again to also throw an AR-15 into the mix? Interestingly, the AR-15 turned into the only weapon used in the last phase of story evolution.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      and all that.
      Such as?


      Quote Originally Posted by Tiresias View Post
      Are you still fighting this battle, Alric? It's a lost cause, man. There's no convincing people that they have a loose horse when all the want to find are zebras.
      A lot of weak comments have shown up in this thread in recent days, but I will use yours as an example to illustrate the general trend. Saying stuff like what you said is worthless. I have made a great deal of points in this thread. If you think you can counter any of them, go for it. If you can't, get off the field. So far, it looks like you can't.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      If someone is obviously acting, it is evidence. If EVERYONE is obviously acting, it is very strong evidence.
      No it isn't. First of all it is only your opinion someone is acting, you have used no objective means to determine if they were or not. All you say is you think it is strange. Secondly, it still wouldn't be evidence. Police can not arrest you and you can't be convicted of a crime based off "You acted weirdly", because that isn't evidence. At most people acting strangely would be a 'clue' that might help you understand a situation better, it isn't evidence of anything though.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Hey, we agree on something. The bodies of dead children would be evidence. That is very true, but the public has never had access to seeing pictures of any of them, and the funerals were closed casket. The official narrative says that even parents were not allowed to see the bodies.
      If you are so convinced they are lying get a camera and dig up their caskets and video tape what you find. If there was nothing in them, it would have proven it a hoax and would be a national hero. This isn't something I can do for you, if I dug them up and found their bodies and showed you the video you would say it was just staged and I made up the entire thing. Is if you personally witness it, then go do it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      What building? It got torn down.
      There was photos of it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Which the mainstream media said were something but then changed their story when "police and federal officials" told them the guns were just hand guns before mainstream media changed their story yet again to also throw an AR-15 into the mix? Interestingly, the AR-15 turned into the only weapon used in the last phase of story evolution.
      Yeah, hence the reason wild speculation is bad. You should learn their lesson. Some in the media jumped ahead of them self and reported stuff before confirming the facts with the police and got it wrong. You can hardly blame them since you are doing the same thing, jumping to conclusions based off speculation rather than actually looking at what is presented as evidence.

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