Thread: Why dream experience is fundamental and so very important

... Well, it's my turn to get disappointed.

Frank... I am dis point -> ·

Now I feel like a fool for hoping that Frank would at least tell us if we are on the correct track.

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

How many of you now agree with and understand this?

Precisely, I'd like to ask you that same question. Judging from our interpretations, how many of us are understanding that? Less than average intelligence is neccesary to answer a simple question like that...

On the other hand, what will I gain after I understand and agree with that? Life will not change. I don't feel like I'll get anything new or a new perspective, or nothing.

You are asking us to read all your posts. All of them are telling almost the same thing, no change of content, little change of words. It feels like a waste of time.
You are asking us to read all your posts, but you don't even think OUR post, OUR ideas are important...

Then again, some of the posts here, like the last ones from Occipitalred and DreamyBear, were insightful and interesting, so it's not like we wasted all of our time.

*Sigh* I feel honestly compassionate for Frank. It's like he is stuck in an eternal thought loop, unable to grow, unable to change. What kind of pitiful existance is that?
Really, it's just sad...

In the end, it's not the picture on the puzzle that matters, but the time we all had fitting the pieces together. Different people have come by and shared those moments, opening the puzzle box and fitting the pieces together. Than, they put the box back on the shelf, and others have come.

Dimeglio, we're putting you back in the box!

But, we might just want to take you out later, so don't get too dusty!

Originally Posted by Suvid

*Sigh* I feel honestly compassionate for Frank.

I don't think we can possibly be compassionate for Frank. To be compassionate or feel any type of empathy, we would need to have at list the minimal hint of what he might be experiencing on the other side of the screen. And he has shown no level of humanity. So we can't empathize. I would be genuinely impressed if he was a human vegetable copying and pasting comments or if he had some type of mental disability. I don't think he deserves our pity.

"I don't want your pity! I want your admiration!" (just a fun quote I remembered).

No Dimeglio, no admiration for you! You're just a puzzle. Back on the shelf!

Oh, come on, Occi, aren't you being a bit harsh?

Just that someone can't express their feelings doesn't mean they lack them.

Even the dullest of rocks can have sediments, you know.

Originally Posted by Suvid

Even the dullest of rocks can have sediments, you know.

Sediments? Surely. Sentiments. I think not.



Lo que quiero decir, no es que DiMeglio no tiene emociones pero que nosotros no sabemos cuales son.

If the only communication you have with another being is repetitive newspaper cut outs, you really don't know anything about them.

He has not truly shown himself. And for that reason, we can't physically empathize because to empathize, we must have a hint of knowledge as to what he might be experiencing.

I don't think it's like

he is stuck in an eternal thought loop, unable to grow, unable to change.

(Don't worry, I also said it too before). No sabemos nada sobre el.


[EDIT] - Suvid, si buscas "Author Frank Martin Dimeglio" en el Google, nuestras imagenes de avatar salen en los resultados...

This thread must be cursed (because everyone keeps coming back even when they say they won't, in this case: me.)

Hehe that's true. But the thing with this thread, is that Frank really have provoked probably almost everyone here I guess, and that's because he states things as fact, and then have urge to push he's ideas as true when they really are questionable to every one except himself of course. I got to give him some credit though, for having such a good way of provoking everyones current belifes and understanding. That is really what makes everyone to come back here to discuss things that are questionable, further. Even if Frank himself doesnt feel like taking part in that unfortunately.

Maybe he means exactly what he wrote. That in dreams, we're us and not us in balance.

For example, when we dream, we're not exactly ourselves. We act differently. We experience the world in a different way than the way we live in real life. I had many dreams where I was completely different. Like a dream where I was a sea bird and the thing I loved most was my nest in my ocean ship crossroad metal construction. But then, I was curious as to where the ships went and embarked on an adventure to see where the ships went. I've been old women, I have done things I would never do, like give orders to my captain in a spaceship (very impolite).

Maybe, a part of what makes us change in dreams, is the fact that dreams give us the opportunity to experience the world in a different way, with a different personality, in a different context. It allows us to live a life that does not belong to us, so we can learn different things than the things we learn in waking life. It's a complement to waking life that makes us grow.

Good point! Ah, I was to fast to dissmiss the point he could have ment with that statement.. But good example Occipitalred. I do recognize that, that I sometimes tend to act in a very unusual way in dreams. I do belive though, that dreams are expressing our deepest feelings, maybe feelings that we dont actually dare to reflect to much over in our daily life.

To this I'd like to add another variable that I feel it's crucial to "evolving": self-perception.
The same way it's better to be a master of physical experience in order to make general experience more effective, we also need to be masters of self-perception, so the "self/ego" that receives that experience can take it better. If your self-perception is far away from reallity, you will find it hard to grow. But if you are humble and honest to yourself, if you can see your own strenghts and weaknesses, you will be able to overcome them.

So, lacking self-perception is to experience like... like vitamin-C to iron: Your body needs vitamin-C to assimilate iron-rich foods better. Mastery of physical experience is like the stomach: a healthier stomach will digest experience better, the same as mastery of physical experience (full awareness, I think) will take better advantage of all we experience.
Dreams are like the intentines, that take all that proccesed experience and use it to give us nourishments, to make us grow.
But if we don't have Vitamin-C (self-perception), then it doesn't matters how neatly our stomach digest those iron-rich foods, it will not serve us.

And that's why it seems Frank is progressing so slowly. He may be a very experienced person who knows what he's talking about, but he's having a hard time when it comes to look at his own flaws.

Totally agree that self-perception is probably the most important aspect of oneself to understand. With a twisted self-perception, one tend to live a twisted life for the better or worse.

Yeah the thing with Frank, is that you can really notice that he have some kind of thought behind he's statements, but as I've said before. He have manage to build this theory which I like to see as a boat. So you can see that it's a boat and you expect it to float. But when I and others mention that it seems like there are some hole in his boat. Then he just go about to talk about how great his boat is. And there is nothing much more one can do than just watch as he seems to sink with it without realizing that.

Ah, I feel like I talk to much about Frank now, but it's hard not to do that at the same time since he doesnt respond to anything either. It's after all his ideas that he are promoting, and I do not write this in dissrespect to him as a person. But I questioning his way of dealing with all this, and his ideas in particulary of course. There is a lot and lot of questions that he have over looked by many people here, and by doing that. He have really lost a lot in credibility, and I dont even think he have realized that yet. I dont even know if there is any reason to bother with his ideas at all to be honest. I wouldnt be in this thread if it wasn't for you guys, that actually try to do something good out of all this mess. I like to read your interpretation of his theories though!

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

Lo que quiero decir, no es que DiMeglio no tiene emociones pero que nosotros no sabemos cuales son.

If the only communication you have with another being is repetitive newspaper cut outs, you really don't know anything about them.

He has not truly shown himself. And for that reason, we can't physically empathize because to empathize, we must have a hint of knowledge as to what he might be experiencing.

¡Aaaah, ya veo! Había entendido otra cosa xD

Then I was empathizing with a projection I made myself, not with the true Frank...

Sorry about that, Frank

- Suvid, si buscas "Author Frank Martin Dimeglio" en el Google, nuestras imagenes de avatar salen en los resultados...

Lol. The bingo is there too xD

I also found his blog. It seems he touches other subjects I'm sincerely curious about, like the effects of sensory deprivation or the difference between TV and dreams.

Originally Posted by DreamyBear

I wouldnt be in this thread if it wasn't for you guys, that actually try to do something good out of all this mess. I like to read your interpretation of his theories though!

That's so sweet and I totally agree n_n

I find it funny that you went back and crossed that part where you said you had empathy for Dimeglio's growth impediment.

Originally Posted by Suvid

Lol. The bingo is there too xD

And the wall. What great advertising for his book!

Originally Posted by Suvid

I also found his blog.

...And almost a thousand people like it on Facebook...

Hmm... I think this changes some of the things I said about us not knowing anything about him. I was wrong saying we knew nothing about him. This is the way he might actually be. That's why people are boggled by his behaviour and take it seriously. You might want to uncross that thing you said, Suvid!

I wish I could really get over this thread, but DreamyBear gave a good explanation of why we can't.

To Author Frank Martin Dimeglio, I know I have been disrespectful, but I have two important requests:
1. Can you talk about what inspired you. Tell us personal things about you, not about your theories. Just so we can get background.
2. Can you read our comments and give specific feedback for every person and how much they understand your theories?
(That is what everyone needs to hear so that they can respect you again. The people have spoken.)

I wish I could really get over this thread, but DreamyBear gave a good explanation of why we can't.

I do? Well guys, for my personal interests in this thread. It simply comes down to that I stil hanging around here now merely for the funny and thoughtful responses that everyone drops off here. And thats pretty much it. Frank seems to be a very interesting man though.. He promote change for people, and at the same time he ignores them. Anyhow no matter how interesting that combination are, I wont be hanging around here as soon as I notice that there is only Frank left in his thread. But for now, good luck with your attempt to reach out to Frank with your questions Occipitalred! I will follow with interest if you manage to make some comunication with him. And if that turns out to be the case, then maybe he finally have been able to become other than he are.. Hopefully.

Guys, as much as I love languages, please English here, will ya?

Sorry, my fault.

A HUGE BREAKTHROUGH IN PHYSICS:

Many of you rely upon statements/assumptions that do not really mean, describe, or explain anything. Some of these are what you were told, and they are patently false and/or empty/hollow. Many of you then cease to move forward regarding new ideas and also the improvement of the understandings. This is a very big mistake that many of you are making. As just one example, dreams are not a creation of thought. I have proven this. Being or thought does not exist in isolation apart from experience in dream experience and in waking experience....THINK !.... and consider the experience/manifestation that is our growth and becoming other than we are....AND now consider the experience of the Earth/ground and invisible sky.

The ultimate understanding of physics/physical experience combines, balances, and includes opposites. Dreams combine, balance, and include opposites.

Direct bodily experience (see, felt, and touched) is fundamental. Stabilized distance in/of space is fundamental.

The ultimate understanding of physics/physical experience balances being and experience. THINK !
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Now, full distance in/of space as waking experience involves full mobility in conjunction with, and in relation to, full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. Stand up and look at the VISIBLE Earth/ground. You see someone else touch/feel the top of their VISIBLE head with their visible hand? Full gravity is full distance in/of space as it is seen, felt, AND touched. This relation involves [B]visible [/B]space.

Comparatively, dream experience is the experience of the middle distance in/of space; as the space is invisible and visible in [B]fundamental [/B]equilibrium and balance, consistent with bodily (including visual) experience. BALANCED MIDDLE force/energy gravity/electromagnetism/inertia in dreams matches up with instantaneity and MIDDLE distance in/of space. Dreams balance being and experience.

1) Think! If you were in outer space (that means unprotected), there would be no being and no experience and no distance in/of space.

2) invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance is the middle distance in/of space. This applies to dreams as well. (Consider that vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body.)

3) The Earth/ground is the experience of full gravity as it is seen/felt and touched. This visible space involves full distance in/of space with the visible body.

Magnificent ! Read my prior posts for more on this.

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Think hard about the relation of 1), 2), and 3). What I have presented here is clearly GIGANTIC in physics as well.

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

A HUGE BREAKTHROUGH IN PHYSICS:

Many of you rely upon statements/assumptions that do not really mean, describe, or explain anything. Some of these are what you were told, and they are patently false and/or empty/hollow. Many of you then cease to move forward regarding new ideas and also the improvement of the understandings.

Well, that's your opinion (that was some feedback, at least). What has mean for one person may be meaningless for another. Those are relative depending on the point of view. You write for yourselft and for the few people who share a vocabulary and point of view narrowly similar to yours. You may think your point of view is superior than ours, but that is not true. And it has nothing to do with brightness.

But, really, if you think that ideas like how experiencing new perspectives in dreams make us grow, our how our self-perception is crucial for that growth, are ideas which are "false and/or empty/hollow", then maybe the one who is mistaken is you, because, I think they are important. If you don't think so, good for you, I don't care.

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Anyway, I give up. Classes have started this week, and I need to focus on them. Instead of wasting my time here, I prefer to wait until someone who is able to explain those concepts, instead of just preaching them, appears. I like to analyze things and challenges, but a challenge must be hard, not impossible. And an impossible challenge is not fun. It's boring.

You should give up too on this forum. Have in mind, it's pupulation is mostly young people in their mid teens-early twenties, and less than half of them will know a thing about physics. You will positively not receive the feedback you are expecting here. Also, dream-physics is a subject that has been barely touched, so you would have to be very lucky to find another expert around here, who happens to see your posts in the sea of threads this forum is.

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Finally, I'd like to apologize once again for anything insulting or degrading I could have said earlier. But that doesn't change that, for me, from now on, and until proven otherwise, you are nothing but a charlatan, if not a horrible teacher. I'm sorry if saying that may be offensive, but is my honest opinion.

I'm outta here.

The way this thread is being "handled" and "managed" here is a disgrace and is shameful. These are great ideas. That is clear. The way my person and these ideas are "treated" here is sick. People who can truly think, like myself, know that.

Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Remember that, in the proper and full understanding/comprehension of these ideas, the integrated extensiveness of thought(s) is improved in the truly superior mind.

Dreams are fundamentally consistent with the great fact/truth that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Most importantly, if the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. Accordingly (and moreover), it is the OVERALL or "global" level of highly organized (and FUNDAMENTALLY LINKED/RELATED) experience that is then manifest, attained, and present in dreams in keeping with this great truth/fact:

In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. DREAMS BALANCE CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS EXPERIENCE. DREAMS BALANCE BEING AND EXPERIENCE. (We are relatively unconscious in dreams; and yet we are still conscious.) Now, we see this next beautiful point come in as yet further support/perspective:

The manifestation that is (and that involves) our growth and becoming other than we are exists. It is real. It involves a transcendent and overall mastery of physics/physical experience.

Now, it is seen how this, quite simply now that it is explained, all goes together as top down thinking at its finest and most beautiful/elegant. These are truth and facts. The weight of evidence here is overwhelming, clear, more than sufficient, comprehensive, various, original, and consistent.

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

What can you do ! ?

Go spread the word about this thread. This is gigantic science news. Isn't it Dream Views Forum?

Next one who posts gets the cooties.

Dream experience involves the theoretical, natural, ultimate, FUNDAMENTAL, and actual unification of physics/physical experience consistent with the fact that: In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are. I HAVE PROVEN THIS WITH ABUNDANT, AMPLE, CLEAR, VARIOUS, COMPREHENSIVE, CONSISTENT, FASCINATING, AND EXTENSIVE PROOF/TRUTH/FACTS....READ MY PRIOR POSTS, AND SEE !!

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

My ideas in this thread are extremely, fundamentally, and broadly educational...and they are fascinating.

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

My ideas in this thread are extremely, fundamentally, and broadly educational...and they are fascinating.

I would agree if you said that they are extremely funny, Fundamentally entertaining and broadly educational in your alternative distortional reality...
Basically, the only scientific fact with your ideas, is the interesting way in which you ignore everything and everyone around you and keep passionately admiring yourself - I guess your ideas are true and very important in the alternate reality where you subside!

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DEFINITIVE PROOF OF WHAT DREAMS ARE AND ALSO WHY THEY NECESSARILY UNIFY PHYSICS/PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE:

Consider how visual experience is possible in/as dream experience. Dream experience involves the experience of invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance. Dream experience is consistent with bodily (including visual) experience....Now consider that vision (it is visible) begins invisibly inside the eye/body. Now notice that another person's eye/body (the visible/invisible dome of the eye/body) is also visible (although your eye/body is invisible). We want to balance being and experience in any fundamental unification of physics/physical experience. (Dreams balance being and experience.) We want to balance possible/potential and actual experience. Notice that waking/standing experience involves full gravity (and full force/energy) with full distance in/of space in relation to being and experience as it is seen AND felt/touched. Notice the comparative relation that involves VISIBLE space in this case. The full gravity experience of the VISIBLE Earth/ground is not detached in relation to touch/tactile experience.

So, the body/bodily experience (including visual) is invisible and visible in balance in dreams. A huge point. Notice the range of touch/feeling in dreams....how it does range up to half of that while waking and standing (in relation to the feeling/touch at the visible Earth/ground with the visible body. (Stabilized distance in/of space is of concern here.)

Dream experience is always that of the middle distance in/of space in conjunction with instantaneity and balanced middle force/energy. It all matches up, consistently and comprehensively. Dream experience involves balanced middle strength electromagnetic/inertial/gravitational force/energy feeling/touch. This is true/real quantum gravity and a balance of being and experience and a balance of potential and actual experience. This is because, in dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with what is the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dream experience is semi-detached in relation to touch/tactile experience. We all originate AND grow at/from the center of the human body. DREAM EXPERIENCE IS ALWAYS AND NECESSARILY THAT OF THE MIDDLE DISTANCE IN/OF SPACE.

Dream experience is more like thought, but dreams are not a creation of thought. Television is fully like thought, as television is a creation of thought. TV is fully detached in relation to touch/tactile experience, and it involves full electromagnetism. Distance in/of space is eliminated/flattened.

A HUGE TRUTH IN PHYSICS....Invisible and visible space in fundamental equilibrium and balance IS the middle distance in/of space consistent with equivalent and balanced gravity and inertia (half gravity and half inertia). WE WANT TO BALANCE BEING AND EXPERIENCE.

I have proven what dreams are, and I have proven that/why dreams involve fundamentally and ultimately equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism.

Great !!!

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

I'm one pubic hair away from locking this thing, especially if it makes members that I really like make posts like the ones I just deleted.

Can we just shave the pube off and be done with it?

I'll think about it.

I'm sorry. Went too far with that one.