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      Invalid, you wouldn't meet my requirements for intelligent conversation. You're out of the game for me. Good luck with your trolling.

      Alric, you are straw man arguing your ass off, as usual. This time, you did it with a marathon post. You dodged the points I actually made and argued against points I didn't make. I'll quickly go down the list and illustrate your misrepresentations and your bizarre responses to my points that you correctly represented. Keep in mind that I don't claim any of these to be smoking guns that prove a conspiracy by themselves. They are are all WTF's that add up to a BIG PICTURE. Remember... BIG PICTURE.

      Pre-deceased family members are generally mentioned in obituaries, especially when they died the same day. Family members that died the same day and lived a little bit longer are almost always mentioned. Therefore, your "survived by" argument is irrelevant. Nancy was survived by Adam (in the fiction story) any way.

      I heavily stressed that it is extremely rare for an entire institution to be destroyed because of kids' being killed. You came back with stuff about mere buildings being destroyed. Those buildings are not entire institutions!

      Show me some examples of videos I posted with actual interviews and footage in them where you claim there are "glitches." That's a new one from you, and it's hilarious. These are the two best Sandy Hoax documentaries. Show me where these "glitches" are and tell me about what "really" happened and what the piss poor actors "really" said.



      Look at real stage performance acting from Sandy Hook actors at 21:30 in Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition.



      I have shown you plenty of videos of tears showing up well from the same or greater distances. I know that the people were acting. Anybody can make crying noises, but it takes a really good actor to make tears come out. Zero of them did that. ZERO!!!!

      Name some top notch stage musicians who have acted in films and not done well at it. There aren't any. Stage musicians are actors. Also, lots of the actors I named aren't even musicians. They are just actors. Look up "Dream Jam Band" for just one example.

      You can't spot bad acting, based on what you are claiming. I can. There isn't much we can do with that. However, anybody can see that supposed family members acted like they were talking about people running for office.

      I showed video footage of people walking around aimlessly and in a circle around the firehouse. It was obviously staged. I don't think the people knew it was a hoax, though. I think they though it was the school shooting drill that had in fact been scheduled for that day.

      Fox News reported that police told them directly that Lanza did NOT get into the building by shooting out the glass. Now the official story is that he did. NBC News reported in a CORRECTION SEGMENT that cops and feds told them directly that only hand guns were found at the scene. Now the story is that Lanza used an AR-15. There are many other examples. The hoaxers couldn't get their story straight at first.

      As I have told you many times, creating a new Facebook cause page is much simpler than deleting everything on it and starting over. It would really be bizarre if somebody abandoned their cause page they just created to do that any way. More WTF to the extreme.

      You never found me a picture of "Madeline Parker" looking identical to "Emilie Parker" aside from the one where you claim Emilie is actually Madeline. Madeline never looked identical to Emilie.

      An AR-15 is astoundingly loud. I posted videos of people shooting them to show that nobody in that building, WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN CLAIMING IN THE LAST FEW POSTS WAS REALLY TINY, would have heard that madness and thought it was just pans or other stuff falling. They would have thought they were under attack. The kids also wouldn't have been smirking while talking about it in interviews. One kid even said he saw bullets flying past the hallway. Get real. This madness is in the documentaries I posted.

      There's the part of the mountain of WTF you chose to actually address. The mountain is much bigger than just that stuff.
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      She was not survived by Adam. He was dead before it was written. Was Adam going to her funeral, was he mourning her loss? No, he was dead. Do people need to send Adam their condolences and comfortable him for his loss? No because he was dead. You say I am trolling but your making outlandish and silly claims. No reasonable person would ever expect someone to list Adam as a survivor in this instance. No one. It doesn't happen, it wouldn't ever happen. The only time a dead person is listed as a survivor is if the person writing it isn't aware that the person is dead, but in this case they knew he was dead.

      That is why I asked you to make a list of reasons why you think he wasn't listed, and asked you to put them in order of most likely to least likely. You know that I am right. You know that if you actually made the list you would see I am right, and everyone else would see I am right. You know it and that is why you are avoiding it like the plague. You refuse to even consider that you might be wrong, because deep down you know you are wrong. You know you don't have a leg to stand on.

      We all know what is going on here. You know you are wrong and have been proven to be wrong but you can't handle that your world view is wrong. So you have closed off your mind to logical thinking in order to pretend you are right. There is no other explanations. That is why you are arguing that a school building is not a building but an institution and the two are totally different things with no relation, and that nearly every single time the murderer and deceased family members are mentioned in obituaries, which is a bold face lie. I bet you I can google obituaries and find thousands of them where family members are not listed. You are making insane statements that no logical thinking person would ever make.

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      Everybody stop wasting your time.

      It's clear that universal mind is refusing to co-operate in a two way discussion and would rather just keep posting videos and telling us about "obvious" discrepancies.
      If you have any proper use for your time, close this thread and start another activity.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      She was not survived by Adam. He was dead before it was written. Was Adam going to her funeral, was he mourning her loss? No, he was dead. Do people need to send Adam their condolences and comfortable him for his loss? No because he was dead. You say I am trolling but your making outlandish and silly claims. No reasonable person would ever expect someone to list Adam as a survivor in this instance. No one. It doesn't happen, it wouldn't ever happen. The only time a dead person is listed as a survivor is if the person writing it isn't aware that the person is dead, but in this case they knew he was dead.
      Another fallacy. I didn't say Adam was still alive when the obituary was written. I said that he died after Nancy, in the story. Take that into account and think about how "pre-deceased" family members are generally mentioned in obituaries. Get it now? Also, relatives who died the same day or in the same big event are usually mentioned in obituaries. Understand? Cool it with the straw man game.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      That is why I asked you to make a list of reasons why you think he wasn't listed, and asked you to put them in order of most likely to least likely. You know that I am right. You know that if you actually made the list you would see I am right, and everyone else would see I am right. You know it and that is why you are avoiding it like the plague. You refuse to even consider that you might be wrong, because deep down you know you are wrong. You know you don't have a leg to stand on.
      No, you would be right if I said not mentioning him proves that there was a conspiracy behind it. What I said is that it is another bizarre situation. Sure, in just about any other situation, I would just say that it's unusual and accept that there are probably legitimate reasons why it happened. I would know some of the possibilities. In this situation, it is part of a much bigger picture that is extremely bizarre. You have been having trouble with that concept.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      We all know what is going on here. You know you are wrong and have been proven to be wrong but you can't handle that your world view is wrong. So you have closed off your mind to logical thinking in order to pretend you are right. There is no other explanations. That is why you are arguing that a school building is not a building but an institution and the two are totally different things with no relation, and that nearly every single time the murderer and deceased family members are mentioned in obituaries, which is a bold face lie. I bet you I can google obituaries and find thousands of them where family members are not listed. You are making insane statements that no logical thinking person would ever make.
      Yeah, that's why you dodged the long list of points I made in my last post. Nice work! I didn't claim that a school building is not a building or that "nearly every" obituary lists deceased family members. Read again. You are apparently going for the straw man award. Only people on Dutchraptor's level are fooled by it.

      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      Everybody stop wasting your time.

      It's clear that universal mind is refusing to co-operate in a two way discussion and would rather just keep posting videos and telling us about "obvious" discrepancies.
      If you have any proper use for your time, close this thread and start another activity.
      Could you be a little more vague? Your post is just so convincing. It's not fair.

      I have another idea too. Counter the long list I points I made in my last post. Alric dodged them. Can you counter them, or are you too foggy on the specifics of what we are discussing? You really seem like you are.
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      You are wrong, and everyone here knows you are wrong. The point of an obituary it to let people know someone died, so people can mourn them and go to their funeral and stuff. The reason it says survived by is so that if you read it you know people you can contact for more information or to give your condolences too and stuff like that. You say it is bizarre he isn't listed but it isn't even remotely bizarre. It is in fact the complete opposite. It is a normal every day thing. No reasonable person would have any expectation what so ever, that his name would be listed. There is pretty much no reason what so ever for him to be listed in it. Yet there are dozens of extremely compelling reasons why he wouldn't be listed.

      You keep saying there is a ton of weird things going on but none of these things are even remotely weird. These are every day things that happen all the time. You have yet to post even a single pierce of evidence to suggest something shady happen. Not a single thing is even remotely compelling to lead us to believe there was a conspiracy. You have a lot of assumptions and a lot of opinions, but absolutely no evidence. You don't even have a coherent theory on what you think happened. You just keep running around pointing out random meaningless thing and going, "I don't think that is normal there must be a conspiracy!" However what you 'think' is normal or not isn't based in logic, reason or reality. You are simply deluded. Anyone who think it is suspicious that a murderer wasn't mentioned in the obituary of his victim isn't living in reality.

      That just shows how disconnected you are from reality though. That you apparently think that Adam is just the normal child of Nancy and so should be casually mentioned in the obituary as if nothing had happen, while being totally oblivious to the fact of how awkward that situation would be for the family.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      You are wrong, and everyone here knows you are wrong.
      Oooohhh, that's some high level counterargument right there. Dutchraptor jumped in and showed that he has no idea what this issue is even about, and that proves me wrong. I'm in checkmate. Debate's over. Did you know that everybody used to know that the world is flat?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      The point of an obituary it to let people know someone died, so people can mourn them and go to their funeral and stuff. The reason it says survived by is so that if you read it you know people you can contact for more information or to give your condolences too and stuff like that. You say it is bizarre he isn't listed but it isn't even remotely bizarre. It is in fact the complete opposite. It is a normal every day thing. No reasonable person would have any expectation what so ever, that his name would be listed. There is pretty much no reason what so ever for him to be listed in it. Yet there are dozens of extremely compelling reasons why he wouldn't be listed.
      Uh, he was her son... who just died right after she did... in the fiction story.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      You keep saying there is a ton of weird things going on but none of these things are even remotely weird. These are every day things that happen all the time. You have yet to post even a single pierce of evidence to suggest something shady happen. Not a single thing is even remotely compelling to lead us to believe there was a conspiracy. You have a lot of assumptions and a lot of opinions, but absolutely no evidence. You don't even have a coherent theory on what you think happened. You just keep running around pointing out random meaningless thing and going, "I don't think that is normal there must be a conspiracy!" However what you 'think' is normal or not isn't based in logic, reason or reality. You are simply deluded. Anyone who think it is suspicious that a murderer wasn't mentioned in the obituary of his victim isn't living in reality.
      Then why did you dodge the list of weird things I mentioned? It's only a partial list, and you dodged my points on it. I don't have to have a theory on what really happened to know that the official story is bullshit. Do you have to know what really happened at a Virgin Mary sighting event to know that the Virgin Mary wasn't really there? What if I told you that I went to Walmart and rode their time machine for a quarter and rode horses with Marshal Dillon? Would you need to tell me what I really did at Walmart to call bullshit on my story? Here is the partial list of weird events again. Remember... My argument isn't about any one thing. It's about the conglomeration of all of them together. It's about the BIG PICTURE.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Pre-deceased family members are generally mentioned in obituaries, especially when they died the same day. Family members that died the same day and lived a little bit longer are almost always mentioned. Therefore, your "survived by" argument is irrelevant. Nancy was survived by Adam (in the fiction story) any way.

      I heavily stressed that it is extremely rare for an entire institution to be destroyed because of kids' being killed. You came back with stuff about mere buildings being destroyed. Those buildings are not entire institutions!

      Show me some examples of videos I posted with actual interviews and footage in them where you claim there are "glitches." That's a new one from you, and it's hilarious. These are the two best Sandy Hoax documentaries. Show me where these "glitches" are and tell me about what "really" happened and what the piss poor actors "really" said.



      Look at real stage performance acting from Sandy Hook actors at 21:30 in Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition.



      I have shown you plenty of videos of tears showing up well from the same or greater distances. I know that the people were acting. Anybody can make crying noises, but it takes a really good actor to make tears come out. Zero of them did that. ZERO!!!!

      Name some top notch stage musicians who have acted in films and not done well at it. There aren't any. Stage musicians are actors. Also, lots of the actors I named aren't even musicians. They are just actors. Look up "Dream Jam Band" for just one example.

      You can't spot bad acting, based on what you are claiming. I can. There isn't much we can do with that. However, anybody can see that supposed family members acted like they were talking about people running for office.

      I showed video footage of people walking around aimlessly and in a circle around the firehouse. It was obviously staged. I don't think the people knew it was a hoax, though. I think they though it was the school shooting drill that had in fact been scheduled for that day.

      Fox News reported that police told them directly that Lanza did NOT get into the building by shooting out the glass. Now the official story is that he did. NBC News reported in a CORRECTION SEGMENT that cops and feds told them directly that only hand guns were found at the scene. Now the story is that Lanza used an AR-15. There are many other examples. The hoaxers couldn't get their story straight at first.

      As I have told you many times, creating a new Facebook cause page is much simpler than deleting everything on it and starting over. It would really be bizarre if somebody abandoned their cause page they just created to do that any way. More WTF to the extreme.

      You never found me a picture of "Madeline Parker" looking identical to "Emilie Parker" aside from the one where you claim Emilie is actually Madeline. Madeline never looked identical to Emilie.

      An AR-15 is astoundingly loud. I posted videos of people shooting them to show that nobody in that building, WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN CLAIMING IN THE LAST FEW POSTS WAS REALLY TINY, would have heard that madness and thought it was just pans or other stuff falling. They would have thought they were under attack. The kids also wouldn't have been smirking while talking about it in interviews. One kid even said he saw bullets flying past the hallway. Get real. This madness is in the documentaries I posted.

      There's the part of the mountain of WTF you chose to actually address. The mountain is much bigger than just that stuff.
      Are you going to play ad hominem dodgeball again?


      In case any rocket orbit specialists from NASA want to chime in and say that I only posted videos, I encourage you to look a little harder.
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      I just want to confess to being the director and co-writer of the Sandy Hook movie. The producer? M.Night.Shyamalan of course.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Oooohhh, that's some high level counterargument right there. Dutchraptor jumped in and showed that he has no idea what this issue is even about, and that proves me wrong. I'm in checkmate. Debate's over. Did you know that everybody used to know that the world is flat?
      To remind you, this was your counter argument posted yesterday for gods sake.
      Invalid, you wouldn't meet my requirements for intelligent conversation. You're out of the game for me. Good luck with your trolling.
      Now enough is enough, I'm am unsubscribing from this thread. My previous comment was intended at new members to the thread who might have felt like there was actually a discussion going on here.

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      Not here to argue for any side in particular. but I feel that this thread serves as a chief reminder that more sophistication does not necessarily lead to more truth:

      Knowing About Biases Can Hurt People - Less Wrong

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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      To remind you, this was your counter argument posted yesterday for gods sake.


      Now enough is enough, I'm am unsubscribing from this thread. My previous comment was intended at new members to the thread who might have felt like there was actually a discussion going on here.
      You seem to thoroughly understand the situation. Please reassure me of that by explaining Invalid's major points and how they counter mine. Do you have the psychically expanded consciousness it takes to see how he was deliberately coming at me with verbal dadaism? I'm just so sure you get it. Give a detailed analysis so I can know we're on the same page.

      What research have you done on the Sandy Hook hoax? Tell me all about it.

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      I just want to confess to being the director and co-writer of the Sandy Hook movie. The producer? M.Night.Shyamalan of course.


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      Not here to argue for any side in particular. but I feel that this thread serves as a chief reminder that more sophistication does not necessarily lead to more truth:
      That is exactly my point about sophistry. Have you ever watched a Democratic Party convention?
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      I don't watch political party conventions as a rule. Too much depressing stupidity and bigotry on display from otherwise individually bright people.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DeviantThinker View Post
      I don't watch political party conventions as a rule. Too much depressing stupidity and bigotry on display from otherwise individually bright people.
      They're a bunch of used car salespeople. They get up there and say pretty much nothing, but the sheep think it sounds good because of the key words and tones they use. One of the best examples is Bill Clinton in the 1996 election saying, "I want to build a bridge to the 21st Century." That sounds all great and mighty on the surface, but it does not translate to jack shit about reality. It's a metaphor that is all symbolism and zero representation. It's called sophistry. A lot of trolls and almost all Democrat politicians use that tactic, and it fools the complete idiots, which there are way too many of out there.
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      One problem with systems like America is that they discourage initiatives that would take longer than 8 years and encourage ventures that can be accomplished within 4 years. If you set a plan in motion that is longer the latter, there is no guarantee that you will recieve credit for it and for anything longer than 8 years, it is a certainty that the next administration will take credit for it.

      That's the selfish side of things but even for a politician with noble goals, the fact remains that unless if they maintain a powerful influence in congress after their term, they will not be able to resist if the next office decide to shut down the operation they had set in motion during their term.

      That sucks big time because there are so many measures that bear no fruit till the long term so they are unlikely to appeal to politicians. Things like introducing iodine into drinking water would significently raise the average IQ of newborns in subsequent generations for example or investing in alternative energies that have a large start-up cost and would take time to pay dividends.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I don't have to have a theory on what really happened to know that the official story is bullshit.
      Yes you do need a theory. Since you are ignoring the overwhelming evidence of witnesses, dead bodies, bullet shells, guns, blood and all that, you need a reason for why you are ignoring it. If someone gets shot in the street and 50 people see it, saying "I don't believe you" doesn't really cut it. You just sound like your denying reality.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Yes you do need a theory. Since you are ignoring the overwhelming evidence of witnesses, dead bodies, bullet shells, guns, blood and all that, you need a reason for why you are ignoring it. If someone gets shot in the street and 50 people see it, saying "I don't believe you" doesn't really cut it. You just sound like your denying reality.
      No, I don't need a theory on what really happened instead of some total crock of shit, and you can't prove that any of those things were real. It's just what the bullshit media said because of their sources. Remember that they couldn't get their stories straight about any of that stuff for a while.

      Alric, guess what. I really did go to Walmart a few days ago. People can tell you they saw me there, I have proof that the building really exists, and I can prove that Marshal Dillon existed and rode horses. I also brought back some dirt and a leather belt from the Old West. Considering all of that, what is your theory on what I really paid for at Walmart if you claim that I didn't use their time machine to go back to the 1800's and ride horses with Marshal Dillon?
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      You just keep refusing to even put together an idea of what happened because you know your story is totally incoherent. Your claims are basically that the entire town was in on it at the same time, and then later on you say well the entire town doesn't have to all be in on it. But they do. If everything you said was true, the entire town has to be in on it. The media is in on it, the hospital is in on it, the police and fire department, the school, the people running the graveyard, the local government, all the families and extended families, all the neighbors, everyone who has children at the school, all of them. If even one group wasn't in on it, then they would of came forward.

      So if you are saying thousands of people are in on it, and you don't even have a coherent idea on why they would all agree to something like this and you want us all to believe you?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      You just keep refusing to even put together an idea of what happened because you know your story is totally incoherent. Your claims are basically that the entire town was in on it at the same time, and then later on you say well the entire town doesn't have to all be in on it. But they do. If everything you said was true, the entire town has to be in on it. The media is in on it, the hospital is in on it, the police and fire department, the school, the people running the graveyard, the local government, all the families and extended families, all the neighbors, everyone who has children at the school, all of them. If even one group wasn't in on it, then they would of came forward.

      So if you are saying thousands of people are in on it, and you don't even have a coherent idea on why they would all agree to something like this and you want us all to believe you?
      No, I have said very specifically and repeatedly that the hoax had to have involved some people in on it and a lot of people being fooled. Where did you get that I said the whole town was in on it when I have said the opposite so many times? This is what you do, Alric. It's what you do. You just make up off the wall stuff and post it.

      Why do you claim that all of those people would have had to have been in on it? We've been over this so many times, and you keep pressing the reset button. Why are you doing that? What is driving you? It's obvious that you aren't here for an honest discussion.

      What did I really do at Walmart? Come on, why did you completely dodge that issue? If you don't think I really went back in time and rode horses with Marshal Dillon, you must have a coherent theory of what I really did. Right? Hey, that's what you were preaching before I called you out on it. So, what did I really do at Walmart?

      What do you think of what I said about Democrats and sophistry at their convention? What did Bill Clinton mean by "build a bridge to the 21st century?"
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      That is my entire point. You are claiming the opposite, yet for what you said to be true, it would require everyone to be in on it. Yet you don't seem able or willing to connect those dots. That you don't believe the entire town was in on it, yet they would have to be.

      You are saying that there was children didn't exist. Which means that everyone who had seen the body or knew the child had to be in on it. Which means the police who says they witnessed the crime, the school that has the child on record, the teachers who taught the child, classmates of the child, relatives, family, friends of the family, everyone who went to the funeral, the media who recorded stuff all had to be in on it. You also said there was no shooting at all, so that means the media, police, medical professionals, teachers at the school, all the children at the schools and all the other witnesses had to be in on it.

      In fact you are claiming that entire classrooms of children didn't exist, and their families are in on it and all the teachers are in on it. So it makes one wonder if the school was even a real school since everyone at the school had to be in on it. And if the school isn't a real school then everyone in the neighborhood who seen children going to the school are into it. And you just keep on going and you realize that the entire city ends up having to be in on it, or else someone would of noticed something.

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      First of all, what did I really do at Walmart? How many times have I asked that now?

      How would anybody see a child that didn't exist? What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? Are you talking about Madeline Parker? Show me the school records that say she existed. The funerals were closed casket, and there was no funeral for Madeline. You are still writing fiction as you go. Friends and media can easily be lied to about whatever you're talking about. There weren't many cops in the building. Why would teachers and students have to be in on it? The kids supposedly had to close their eyes on the way out, but there was that kid who said he saw bullets flying past the hallway. I guess he peeked.

      When did I say a classroom of chidlren did not exist? Your trolling has gotten more comical than ever.

      What did I really do at Walmart? This isn't dodgeball. Speak up.

      Oh yeah... What is your opinion on Democratic Convention sophistry? What did Bill Clinton mean by "build a bridge to the 21st century?"
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      See your just lying now. Several times you have claimed that multiple children, like Madeline didn't exist. In fact, you just claimed she didn't exist again. How exactly does a person lie about having a child for so many years without anyone ever noticing? Then multiple that by 20 and you see how absurd your story is that the children never existed. All the student and teachers would also have to be in on it, because they all claim that those children were real children.

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      Why the hell are you still arguing with him?
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      Alric, how many times have I asked you what I really did at Walmart? I encourage everybody reading this to go back and look at how Alric is playing dodgeball and has a revolving door for the issues he is willing to discuss. When stumped, he just moves on and pretends the subject never existed.

      Alric, what is your theory on what I really did at Walmart? If you want to keep discussing this, I am going to keep making an issue of that until you answer the question. You said that in order to legitimately call bullshit on a story, one must have a solid theory on what really happened. So what is your alternative theory to my story that I went to Walmart, put a quarter in a time machine, went back to the 1800's, and rode horses with Marshal Dillon? Speak up. You are avoiding your own issue like the plague. Did you change your mind?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      See your just lying now. Several times you have claimed that multiple children, like Madeline didn't exist. In fact, you just claimed she didn't exist again. How exactly does a person lie about having a child for so many years without anyone ever noticing? Then multiple that by 20 and you see how absurd your story is that the children never existed. All the student and teachers would also have to be in on it, because they all claim that those children were real children.
      I didn't say Madeline had a funeral, I didn't say she was reported to be one of the victims, and I didn't say that entire classrooms of children didn't exist. Get your story straight. You come across like NBC, Fox News, and CBS in the days right after the fake event. They were lied to. It's that simple. What's your excuse?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      In fact you are claiming that entire classrooms of children didn't exist
      ??????????????????????????????????????

      Also, why would they need to lie about Madeline for 20 years? Wasn't she supposed to be 4 during the hoax? How many friends did the Parkers have, and how many places did they live during Madeline's supposed life? When did they move to Newtown? And who the Hell is going to do a news story on the Parkers only having two daughters other than the underground media? They have covered it. Study up.

      Where is Emilie's body double in this video, which is the only video on the Emilie Parker Fund website? Don't you claim that the girl who looks identical to Emilie in the photo with Obama is Madeline? Where does Madeline look identical to Emilie in this video or anywhere else?



      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      Why the hell are you still arguing with him?
      Awe, somebody has no retort to attempt any more.


      Alric, do you admit that the Democrats who give speeches at their convention engage in sophistry? What did Bill Clinton mean by "build a bridge to the 21st century?" That cracks me up every time I think about it. I'll post videos of some hilarious DNC Convention speech moments if you want to keep going.


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      Oh yeah, Alric... Speaking of leaving issues behind, I think you forgot about this.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I'll quickly go down the list and illustrate your misrepresentations and your bizarre responses to my points that you correctly represented. Keep in mind that I don't claim any of these to be smoking guns that prove a conspiracy by themselves. They are are all WTF's that add up to a BIG PICTURE. Remember... BIG PICTURE.

      Pre-deceased family members are generally mentioned in obituaries, especially when they died the same day. Family members that died the same day and lived a little bit longer are almost always mentioned. Therefore, your "survived by" argument is irrelevant. Nancy was survived by Adam (in the fiction story) any way.

      I heavily stressed that it is extremely rare for an entire institution to be destroyed because of kids' being killed. You came back with stuff about mere buildings being destroyed. Those buildings are not entire institutions!

      Show me some examples of videos I posted with actual interviews and footage in them where you claim there are "glitches." That's a new one from you, and it's hilarious. These are the two best Sandy Hoax documentaries. Show me where these "glitches" are and tell me about what "really" happened and what the piss poor actors "really" said.



      Look at real stage performance acting from Sandy Hook actors at 21:30 in Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition.



      I have shown you plenty of videos of tears showing up well from the same or greater distances. I know that the people were acting. Anybody can make crying noises, but it takes a really good actor to make tears come out. Zero of them did that. ZERO!!!!

      Name some top notch stage musicians who have acted in films and not done well at it. There aren't any. Stage musicians are actors. Also, lots of the actors I named aren't even musicians. They are just actors. Look up "Dream Jam Band" for just one example.

      You can't spot bad acting, based on what you are claiming. I can. There isn't much we can do with that. However, anybody can see that supposed family members acted like they were talking about people running for office.

      I showed video footage of people walking around aimlessly and in a circle around the firehouse. It was obviously staged. I don't think the people knew it was a hoax, though. I think they though it was the school shooting drill that had in fact been scheduled for that day.

      Fox News reported that police told them directly that Lanza did NOT get into the building by shooting out the glass. Now the official story is that he did. NBC News reported in a CORRECTION SEGMENT that cops and feds told them directly that only hand guns were found at the scene. Now the story is that Lanza used an AR-15. There are many other examples. The hoaxers couldn't get their story straight at first.

      As I have told you many times, creating a new Facebook cause page is much simpler than deleting everything on it and starting over. It would really be bizarre if somebody abandoned their cause page they just created to do that any way. More WTF to the extreme.

      You never found me a picture of "Madeline Parker" looking identical to "Emilie Parker" aside from the one where you claim Emilie is actually Madeline. Madeline never looked identical to Emilie.

      An AR-15 is astoundingly loud. I posted videos of people shooting them to show that nobody in that building, WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN CLAIMING IN THE LAST FEW POSTS WAS REALLY TINY, would have heard that madness and thought it was just pans or other stuff falling. They would have thought they were under attack. The kids also wouldn't have been smirking while talking about it in interviews. One kid even said he saw bullets flying past the hallway. Get real. This madness is in the documentaries I posted.

      There's the part of the mountain of WTF you chose to actually address. The mountain is much bigger than just that stuff.
      Last edited by Universal Mind; 08-24-2014 at 03:17 AM.
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      You made the story up because you are a troll and instead of using logical arguments you use trolling tactics to annoy people. That is my theory on your walmart thing, and I am pretty confident that it is the truth. See how easy it is to come up with a theory of what really happened when you use logic? Also that is why I was just ignoring it because everyone here already knows you are just trolling.

      Also I am pretty sure you don't even read your own posts, or mine because you keep saying stupid stuff that doesn't make any sense what so ever. If there is a classroom of students who say they knew a child, and you say that child doesn't exist, then you are calling that entire classroom of children liars. You can't say you never said any of this stuff because it is all implied with your comments. All the students and families members and teachers that interact with the children all say that the children exist, so when you say those children never existed, your calling them all lairs and saying that they are in on the cover up.

      Unless you have some other theory on how they tricked people into thinking they knew others. Is that it? You think everyone in that city had false memories implanted into their minds so they think they knew these people? Ironically enough, as silly as that theory is, it is still more likely than all the stuff you keep saying.

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      Quote Originally Posted by invalid View Post
      The guys who wrote the obituary did it with class and not in the autismal way I think it HAS to be!

      Lets get back to this: Autism. Because for real, this guy is living in a world of his own, unwavered by facts. He says people aren't crying. Autism much? Judging the sincerity of someones reaction is just one of many social skills that people with autism have problems with. He's anal about how they SHOULD have done things, and cannot fathom that people would do it any other way. He can't grasp that it's natural to act "weird" in a situation like this. Has he never dealt with grief or something? Is he sheltered or is it just what seems to be autism spooking again, making him unable to apply his own experiences to others? But it's strange. And he certainly doesn't understand how childrens minds work either.
      What's with you and trying to use autism as an insult, mon frère. .-.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      You made the story up because you are a troll and instead of using logical arguments you use trolling tactics to annoy people. That is my theory on your walmart thing, and I am pretty confident that it is the truth. See how easy it is to come up with a theory of what really happened when you use logic? Also that is why I was just ignoring it because everyone here already knows you are just trolling.
      Trolling? No. You're not even being honest about that. I'm coming at you with points and questions you are avoiding like the plague because they stump you. I really did go to Walmart. If you need to, suppose that it was reported on the news and some cops, some people who come across like they are promoting politicians in a zero star Lifetime movie, some kids who sound ridiculous while making impossible claims, and a creepy as shit medical examiner said I went to Walmart and went back in time and rode horses with Marshal Dillon. What did I do really do there? What really happened at all of those supposed Virgin Mary sightings? What really happened to those planes that were downed in the Bermuda Triangle? What is really in those Bigfoot photographs? What is really in those Loch Ness Monster photographs? What is really the principle behind what caused the singularity to exist in the first place as a basis for the big bang? What really happened in the life of Zoroaster? What really happened in the life of Jesus? What are all of the explanations for all U.F.O. sightings? If you don't know, then the crazy stories about those things must be true, right?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Also I am pretty sure you don't even read your own posts, or mine because you keep saying stupid stuff that doesn't make any sense what so ever. If there is a classroom of students who say they knew a child, and you say that child doesn't exist, then you are calling that entire classroom of children liars. You can't say you never said any of this stuff because it is all implied with your comments. All the students and families members and teachers that interact with the children all say that the children exist, so when you say those children never existed, your calling them all lairs and saying that they are in on the cover up.
      When did I say that a classroom full of children never existed????? That was the question, and you dodged it entirely. What in the name of fuck are you doing? What children at the school did I say never existed? Madeline did not go to Sandy Hook in the story. So which specific children are you referring to?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Unless you have some other theory on how they tricked people into thinking they knew others. Is that it? You think everyone in that city had false memories implanted into their minds so they think they knew these people? Ironically enough, as silly as that theory is, it is still more likely than all the stuff you keep saying.
      Which specific people? You keep babbling with vagueness. Who are you saying I said never existed other than Madeline, and how many people in the town have publicly said jack shit about her?

      You completely dodged my points about that Parker family home movie.

      Now what about that long list of points I reposted? Do I need to post it again? It's key. You are picking very few to address. If you want to keep playing dodgeball, I can keep posting that whole list, which is only a partial list of the WTF's concerning Shady Hook. You are running your ass off from that partial list.

      Fuck it. Here it is again. Don't dodge this time.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Invalid, you wouldn't meet my requirements for intelligent conversation. You're out of the game for me. Good luck with your trolling.

      Alric, you are straw man arguing your ass off, as usual. This time, you did it with a marathon post. You dodged the points I actually made and argued against points I didn't make. I'll quickly go down the list and illustrate your misrepresentations and your bizarre responses to my points that you correctly represented. Keep in mind that I don't claim any of these to be smoking guns that prove a conspiracy by themselves. They are are all WTF's that add up to a BIG PICTURE. Remember... BIG PICTURE.

      Pre-deceased family members are generally mentioned in obituaries, especially when they died the same day. Family members that died the same day and lived a little bit longer are almost always mentioned. Therefore, your "survived by" argument is irrelevant. Nancy was survived by Adam (in the fiction story) any way.

      I heavily stressed that it is extremely rare for an entire institution to be destroyed because of kids' being killed. You came back with stuff about mere buildings being destroyed. Those buildings are not entire institutions!

      Show me some examples of videos I posted with actual interviews and footage in them where you claim there are "glitches." That's a new one from you, and it's hilarious. These are the two best Sandy Hoax documentaries. Show me where these "glitches" are and tell me about what "really" happened and what the piss poor actors "really" said.



      Look at real stage performance acting from Sandy Hook actors at 21:30 in Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition.



      I have shown you plenty of videos of tears showing up well from the same or greater distances. I know that the people were acting. Anybody can make crying noises, but it takes a really good actor to make tears come out. Zero of them did that. ZERO!!!!

      Name some top notch stage musicians who have acted in films and not done well at it. There aren't any. Stage musicians are actors. Also, lots of the actors I named aren't even musicians. They are just actors. Look up "Dream Jam Band" for just one example.

      You can't spot bad acting, based on what you are claiming. I can. There isn't much we can do with that. However, anybody can see that supposed family members acted like they were talking about people running for office.

      I showed video footage of people walking around aimlessly and in a circle around the firehouse. It was obviously staged. I don't think the people knew it was a hoax, though. I think they though it was the school shooting drill that had in fact been scheduled for that day.

      Fox News reported that police told them directly that Lanza did NOT get into the building by shooting out the glass. Now the official story is that he did. NBC News reported in a CORRECTION SEGMENT that cops and feds told them directly that only hand guns were found at the scene. Now the story is that Lanza used an AR-15. There are many other examples. The hoaxers couldn't get their story straight at first.

      As I have told you many times, creating a new Facebook cause page is much simpler than deleting everything on it and starting over. It would really be bizarre if somebody abandoned their cause page they just created to do that any way. More WTF to the extreme.

      You never found me a picture of "Madeline Parker" looking identical to "Emilie Parker" aside from the one where you claim Emilie is actually Madeline. Madeline never looked identical to Emilie.

      An AR-15 is astoundingly loud. I posted videos of people shooting them to show that nobody in that building, WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN CLAIMING IN THE LAST FEW POSTS WAS REALLY TINY, would have heard that madness and thought it was just pans or other stuff falling. They would have thought they were under attack. The kids also wouldn't have been smirking while talking about it in interviews. One kid even said he saw bullets flying past the hallway. Get real. This madness is in the documentaries I posted.

      There's the part of the mountain of WTF you chose to actually address. The mountain is much bigger than just that stuff.
      Now tell me about those Democrat conventions. Are you going to build a bridge to the end of next week?
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