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      Russia for sure has helped Trump to win the election by playing a big role in email hacking event. Russia won't do it for free. There must be a secret deal between the intelligence of two countries. We outsiders can only see it from some facts.

      The secret deal: Hacked email were handed to Wikileaks to issue to hit Hillary Clinton.

      The payment of secret deal:

      1. Aleppo falls (or "liberated" from Russia side) on 12/15. Resistance and civil withdraw from East Aleppo by bus. Five years fight ends. A big victory for Russia and its allies.

      2. Economic interest.

      Japan pledges 300 bil. yen economic package at Abe-Putin summit

      December 17, 2016

      The total value of Japan's contribution in investment and loans, including through agreements between private sector firms, is around 300 billion yen ($2.54 billion), Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Kotaro Nogami said after the leaders' summit.

      Japan pledges 300 bil. yen economic package at Abe-Putin summit - The Mainichi
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      Putin dismissed the notion that he was only interested in getting economic benefits from Japan.

      "If anyone thinks we’re interested only in developing economic links and a peace deal is of secondary importance, that’s not the case," he told the same news conference. That's all for the controversial islands. He went Japan just for those business deals.

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      I deal with the news the same way i deal with just about any news. I hear what happened and continue on about my day. No emotional feelings or reaction about the news.

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      My candidate lost in July so I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's a disgrace, and an embarrassment, and Americans totally deserve him.
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      Being a "Peanuts" fan, I can't help but draw comparisons between this time Trump is president to the time Snoopy was "Head Beagle."

      Spoiler for slightly immature analysis (I like to have fun):

      People were surprised when Trump was elected president.


      People have similar criticisms of Trump being elected president.


      I've read some people think that Trump will be impeached.


      Trump may find that the job of being president involves more work than he think it does.


      The prestige of being president might motivate Trump.


      Whether Trump makes many wrong decisions as president remains to be seen.


      I imagine Trump will receive a lot of criticism he does not like.


      I'm sure there are those that think Trump should help lower pollution as president, which he might not see as a priority. I haven't seen Trump cry, though.


      Trump might not be open to meetings where he can possibly be criticized. Rumor has it that he does not want to hold as many press conferences as a president usually does.


      It is not at all probable, but the hard work and lack of appreciation that comes with being president might demotivate Trump more than the prestige motivates him, causing him to hate being president.


      This hate might cause him to attempt to flee the responsibilities of being president.


      This could lead to his impeachment, causing him to feel like a loser. Farfetched, but you never know.
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      When people say you shouldn't wish him to fail they are failing to understand that his success is America's failure. If the things he said he wants to be done happen, it's nothing but bad news for the majority of Americans.
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      ^^ Maybe that wish should come with an asterisk? Like, that we wish for the Presidency of the United States to survive Trump's tenure with its dignity, respect, and stature as Leader of the Free World intact?

      For what it's worth, aside from some Tariffs and, yes, nuclear war, most of the bad stuff Trump wants to do is actually in the hands of Congress, and not his.... not exactly a great thing, given Congress's amazingly bad record, and the Republicans' almost cult-like swing from hating Trump to loving him after he was elected, but at least there are more hands in the pie to prevent Trump from causing too much damage.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Maybe that wish should come with an asterisk? Like, that we wish for the Presidency of the United States to survive Trump's tenure with its dignity, respect, and stature as Leader of the Free World intact?

      For what it's worth, aside from some Tariffs and, yes, nuclear war, most of the bad stuff Trump wants to do is actually in the hands of Congress, and not his.... not exactly a great thing, given Congress's amazingly bad record, and the Republicans' almost cult-like swing from hating Trump to loving him after he was elected, but at least there are more hands in the pie to prevent Trump from causing too much damage.
      It's an important distinction. Many of his proposals would also be in the hands of the Supreme Court, but he's also in a position to appoint Justices that would destroy this country for decades to come. The chances of America surviving his presidency, of the world surviving his presidency, are actually pretty bleak, but not solely in his hands. As Chomsky recently said, the entire Republican party is on a warpath to make Earth uninhabitable.

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      ^^ Interesting, if truly disturbing, point.

      We're left, I guess, with Hope.

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      you have to see the positive about it...

      with trumps inauguration as president , the poltical system of the US has offically declared bankruptcy.

      if hillary would have won, things would have went downhill as well but people could have pretended that everything was still functional.
      This possibility of pretense should be gone now, maybe/hopefully this can wake up the political comatose people.

      Maybe scrap the two party system altogether and build anew. I mean it has more or less scraped itself already , the Republicans are just a franchise for different factions
      of radicals and ritch bi.. persons. And the democrates are splitted in half with older and more rich people supporting the establishment a.k.a the regressive left
      a.k.a hillary
      and on average younger people supporting Sanders and his New Deal 2.0 . (which in my opinion would have been the only sane option)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaitakaro View Post
      you have to see the positive about it...

      with trumps inauguration as president , the poltical system of the US has offically declared bankruptcy.

      if hillary would have won, things would have went downhill as well but people could have pretended that everything was still functional.
      This possibility of pretense should be gone now, maybe/hopefully this can wake up the political comatose people.

      Maybe scrap the two party system altogether and build anew. I mean it has more or less scraped itself already , the Republicans are just a franchise for different factions
      of radicals and ritch bi.. persons. And the democrates are splitted in half with older and more rich people supporting the establishment a.k.a the regressive left
      a.k.a hillary
      and on average younger people supporting Sanders and his New Deal 2.0 . (which in my opinion would have been the only sane option)
      I was skeptical of this silver lining, but since Saturday I've come to agree with you.

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      We did have Occupy, but Occupy got crucified by both liberals and conservatives in the media, who ignored and confused their message then highlighted their most ridiculous and extremist participants. Other than that, there's been dwindling resistance from the Left to the trends of escalating global conflict, increasing wealth disparity and deforestation and pollution. At least now there is a somewhat unified left again. The Democratic Party just needs to be wrestled out of the hands of the neoliberal elite and turned back into a union and labor organized coalition of environmental and civil rights activists. Then there will be two silver linings.
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      I am trying my darndest to withhold judgement on at least some of Trump's actions and give them time to play out, but boy is it difficult. For those of you interested there are several news agencies and others compiling running lists of Trump's actions and what-not. Just cut and paste the following search term into google: "running list"^"donald trump"^president

      I've checked out the Washington Post one so far. It regards his conflicts of interest.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      The chances of America surviving his presidency, of the world surviving his presidency, are actually pretty bleak, but not solely in his hands. As Chomsky recently said, the entire Republican party is on a warpath to make Earth uninhabitable.
      Do you honestly believe the world, or even America, are going to be lucky if they nearly avoid being utterly destroyed just because Trump is president? I seriously dislike like Trump, but if his policies are anything to go off of, we're going to be better off than when Bush was president or if someone like Ted Cruz got elected (not that his word really means anything, but it's all there is to go off of right now). He might be a terrible person, but he's the most center-leaning Republican I've seen run in a long time, and if any other Republican got elected, their policies wouldn't have been just as bad, but worse.

      I'm all for criticizing him and everything, but I'm getting legitimately concerned with the hysteria surrounding his presidency and the decisions he's making. Outcry has always been pretty loud on either side when it comes to the opposite side having their president in power regarding the decisions they make, but what I'm seeing now goes quite a bit beyond that. I'm not just replying to you, necessarily, but making a generalized statement. The amount I'm hearing about how the sky falling is getting to fear-mongering levels. I'm even seeing people endorse politically motivated violence, among other things. The response to him being president is genuinely more frightening to me right now than him actually being president, which I feel should say a lot.

      edit: By the way, I wanted to state that many of Trump's cabinet appointments are very concerning, and I don't mean to downplay how bad they are. I'm just saying that, right now, I'm not sure who to be more afraid of: the people direly opposed to Trump or Trump and the people he's appointed. There should only be one group I'm legitimately concerned with here, because the fact I'm afraid of both means they're just about as bad as each other--there's something wrong with that.
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      Universal Mind I kind of agree with you but I mainly don't Yes Donald trump is bad But Hillary Clintin is way worse Have you watch any news about her are you just focused on Donald trump cause I think America would be way worse than now if Hillary was president. Imagine this: we have trump yes he is going to war (maybe) with Kim Jung un, but Hillary is like a street urchin compared to trump. Now imagine giving a street urchin More nukes than they could hope for. Also Hillary has done many Illegal things behind the governments back.

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      Hillary Clinton is not president. She did not win the 2016 contest. Period.

      Imagine what you want, but Trump is our President. This is not a time to imagine what it would've been like like if Hillary were President, but it is a time to deal with the fact that Trump is the most powerful man in the world.

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      are you talking to me or someone else cause I was saying they would both be bad presidents but Hillary would be a worse one

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      ^^ I was talking to you.

      I guess my note was unecessary, because you're certainly entitled to your opinion... when I read your post last night, though, I had just been thinking about how whenever Trump does or says something bad, stupid, monumentally unpresidential, or whenever a new item from the Russia investigation surfaces, the folks at places like Fox News or Breitbart seem to talk about Clinton. It's like they're saying, "Hey, Hillary did bad stuff, so it's okay that Trump is doing bad stuff," or they're holding up the shiny object that is Hillary Hatred to distract Trump fans from the latest truth about the man they chose to stand behind. Your post hit me as an extension of that sort of deflection, as though you are saying, "It's okay that Trump is such a lousy President, because Hillary would have been just as bad."

      I was voicing my opinion that using Clinton as a tool to mitigate the damage Trump is doing is getting old and, at this point, is pretty meaningless, yet Fox News and the rest just keep right on doing it, as though Clinton and Trump were still campaigning. I can see now that that wasn't what you were saying.

      tl;dr: By my own clouded mind I misunderstood your post, and probably shouldn't have said what I did; sorry!
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      I see your point, but no I don't think it is ok for either of them to bad things. But it is ok to misunderstand everyone has opinions and what not so, apology accepted.
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