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      Is suicide a cowar- should we eat meat?

      Is suicide a selfish act?
      It would seem that one pondering taking their own life would not consider other's feelings. This may not be the case. The may just want an escape from the hell they live, not wishing to hurt anyone in the process.

      It's your life, is it your choice?

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      It is your life, because of free will.

      Taking away free will is taking away life itself.

      Would you rather try live in a world of the walking dead, or try not live in a world at all?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ClouD View Post
      It is your life, because of free will.

      Taking away free will is taking away life itself.

      Would you rather try live in a world of the walking dead, or try not live in a world at all?
      I can always expect an interesting answer from you ClouD. I enjoy your feedback.
      Taking away free will takes away choice, suicide takes away life, no?

      Those two options don't seem too inviting. Do you have a third option?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
      It's your life, is it your choice?
      Yes. Nuff said.

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      It really depends on how severe the problem is.If you are just feeling sad because of a few things that have happened recently then you're selfish, if you have lived your entire life with little to nothing going right for you then it's not selfish IMO. Unless you have an idea of how BAD things can get then you really can't judge people and their actions. I know personally how bad it can get, i've had it BAD all my life (everyone litterally shuts up on the spot and starts feeling bad and stops making jokes) AND i have had help a few times. I know first hand how it can be and that's how i don't get how silly people can get when they say "it's selfish", i infact think the opposite. It's selfish to force a person to keep going through it just because you may or may not hurt a few peoples feelings, they will be sad right now but time heals. Humans remember everything, so this is no different then anything else we remember. It's your life, it's your curse, it's your choice.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
      Is suicide a selfish act?
      It would seem that one pondering taking their own life would not consider other's feelings. This may not be the case. The may just want an escape from the hell they live, not wishing to hurt anyone in the process.

      It's your life, is it your choice?


      Depends on what one identifies themselve with

      Really, both in those committing the act..... and those judging it

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      Yeah I don't see anything wrong with suicide, there's not really any point in living anyway. People that judge it are just clinging to ideas like life and happiness and shit because they want to be "good" because that concept has been programmed into their minds.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      I agree with ClouD, but I don't think suicide is a cowardice act, it takes guts to do it, not many can deny that. But it also takes guts to live on and fix your problems, either way it is your choice, I don't blame anyone for walking out early, no matter who gets effected your life is your life, and you should respect what someone else wanted to do, really what we deal with when someone dies is not their loss, but are own loss, we need to understand that everyone is here only temporarily.



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      Suicide isn't something that can be lumped into on set definition...

      Is it cowardly? No, if suicide was "the cowards way out" everyone would do it. In my opinion it takes balls to kill yourself.
      Is it selfish? Possibly

      It all depends on the context of the act, the person who killed themselves, and their relatives.

      If it's some hobo with no possibility of a future and no family then no, it's neither selfish or cowardly.

      If it's a young person with a family that loves them and wants them to be ok then yes, it is extremely selfish.

      Life is like a movie, if you've sat through more than half of it and its sucked every second so far, it probably isn't gonna get great right at the end and make it all worthwhile. None should blame you for walking out early.

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      I don't think you can call it selfish. Selfish implies some sort of gain. What does a person gain by killing themselves? They may lose things, but they don't gain.

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      I don't think you can call it selfish. Selfish implies some sort of gain. What does a person gain by killing themselves? They may lose things, but they don't gain.
      Isn't the loss of a (perceived) negative a (perceived) gain?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Isn't the loss of a (perceived) negative a (perceived) gain?
      Not in this case, as the person cannot perceive at all, or perceive perceiving (unless they believe in an afterlife, in which case I agree that it's selfish).

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      0 is not more than -1

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      It is selfish to do it in the presence of others in a violent fashion.

      In 2001 a friend of mine brought a gun to school and shot himself in the head while I was about 3 metres away. Plenty of people are going to carry emotional scars with them for the rest of their lives because of his actions.

      But if you are alone and want to hang yourself in your garage, be my guest. Just don't do it with kids or a spouse, because letting them find you is downright despicable.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
      Is suicide a selfish act?
      It would seem that one pondering taking their own life would not consider other's feelings. This may not be the case. The may just want an escape from the hell they live, not wishing to hurt anyone in the process.

      It's your life, is it your choice?
      It is selfish, in away that you are taking your life, when other people who are dying or dead don't have oppertinities like you, but then it is your choice LIFE or DEATH..

      And it all depends on why..

      Is it because of a stupid brake up, or is it more in depth?


      I hope you are not planning on killing yourself.

      There are people to help you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnius Deus View Post
      Yeah I don't see anything wrong with suicide, there's not really any point in living anyway. People that judge it are just clinging to ideas like life and happiness and shit because they want to be "good" because that concept has been programmed into their minds.
      So anyone not considering killing themselves is brainwashed into living?

      Thank god for the ability for humans to be brainwashed.

      To elaborate, I do think suicide is retarded. My reason for believing so is that I don't believe in an afterlife, and I believe things can always get better, if you try hard enough. Suicide is giving up.

      Also, I'm not obsessed with the idea of being a good person. I am probably the most cynical person I know, and I don't believe in blissful happiness. Maybe I'm an anomaly or something.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming View Post
      So anyone not considering killing themselves is brainwashed into living?

      Thank god for the ability for humans to be brainwashed.

      To elaborate, I do think suicide is retarded. My reason for believing so is that I don't believe in an afterlife, and I believe things can always get better, if you try hard enough. Suicide is giving up.

      Also, I'm not obsessed with the idea of being a good person. I am probably the most cynical person I know, and I don't believe in blissful happiness. Maybe I'm an anomaly or something.

      Most people who kill themselves don't care, they just want the pain to end NOW.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      Most people who kill themselves don't care, they just want the pain to end NOW.
      What if I said suicide was a form of natural selection that naturally eliminates INFERIOR humans from passing on their genes? Does that seem valid?

      The majority of suicides are commited by people who either lost their jobs, lost their girlfriend/boyfriend, or don't fit in at school. I have experienced all of the above, and I feel no sorrow.
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      There's not much but suicide, is there?
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming View Post
      To elaborate, I do think suicide is retarded. My reason for believing so is that I don't believe in an afterlife, and I believe things can always get better, if you try hard enough. Suicide is giving up.
      So you believe there is a purpose to life? You don't believe in an afterlife, but you believe in some divine guidelines? And on what are you giving up if you commit suicide?

      *braces for answers*
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      Quote Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming View Post
      What if I said suicide was a form of natural selection that naturally eliminates INFERIOR humans from passing on their genes? Does that seem valid?

      The majority of suicides are committed by people who either lost their jobs, lost their girlfriend/boyfriend, or don't fit in at school. I have experienced all of the above, and I feel no sorrow.
      You may think you've experienced suffering, but you obviously still attach yourself to things such as passing on your genes and having a better life eventually. Wait until you see a world with absolutely nothing left to offer you but silly illusions. There is no better life, the world is designed to suck because people, so afraid of being vulnerable, suck love everywhere they can find it, and give none back.

      Suicide is the ultimate question, and everybody chooses it eventually whether it's their body or their ego.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Yes; You are only thinking of your own thoughts and feelings.

      Which is the definition of a selfish act.

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      Quote Originally Posted by A Roxxor View Post
      Which is the definition of a selfish act.
      What does a person stand to gain by killing themself?

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      Quote Originally Posted by drewmandan View Post
      What does a person stand to gain by killing themself?
      The end of whatever it is they have perceived to be too much to deal with.

      Nobody has mentioned that there are times when you burden your family with material crap, debts etc.
      Although someone may wish to end their own life it does not have to imply they would ever wish for the ones they leave behind to suffer in any manner. So it can be perceived as selfish by the one who does.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
      The end of whatever it is they have perceived to be too much to deal with.

      Nobody has mentioned that there are times when you burden your family with material crap, debts etc.
      Although someone may wish to end their own life it does not have to imply they would ever wish for the ones they leave behind to suffer in any manner. So it can be perceived as selfish by the one who does.
      I suppose they could perceive their own actions as selfish, but then that gets back to the whole issue of moral relativism. In any case, I asked what a person stands to gain, not what they lose. Gain ==> enrichment or expansion. Loss ==>less complexity, getting smaller. Losing suffering is not the same as gaining happiness.

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