Thread: False Awakenings is just a lucid dream

Actually, false awakenings are more than that.
They happen when you start to think about waking up, or trying to not wake up.
It works like this:
You wake up in your bed, and everything seems as if you were awake.
But in fact, you created that awakening by thinking of it, and this may lead to some freaky surprises if you don't get lucid quickly.

Many things about an FA do resemble a LD, because you are not truly awake, you are still seeing things that are dream-like, and you are most likely still in SP. But in a FA you are in a stage between LDing and waking, where you may actually have your eyes open. You can turn an FA into a LD, though, if you make yourself aware that it's a FA, then you can get up and move around and explore and fully leave your waking body again. Some people may say that a FA is a good avenue toward having an OBE, maybe that's true, I don't know.

actually i think an FA means you are definitely not lucid dreamING(?), u usually dont assume your in a dream

To have a LD you have to know that you are dreaming. FA is not the same as a LD but pretty close except that the dream awareness isn't there. If you get aware then you get a lucid.

For an example of a FA that didn't lead to a LD check out my post about the funny FA I have experienced lately: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18873

Originally posted by Matchbook
Many things about an FA do resemble a LD, because you are not truly awake, you are still seeing things that are dream-like, and you are most likely still in SP. *But in a FA you are in a stage between LDing and waking, where you may actually have your eyes open. *You can turn an FA into a LD, though, if you make yourself aware that it's a FA, then you can get up and move around and explore and fully leave your waking body again. *Some people may say that a FA is a good avenue toward having an OBE, maybe that's true, I don't know.

what the hell?

a False Awakening is when you go from one REM cycle to another, eccept your lucid when it happens so your mind makes the new dream start in your bed because thats where your expecting to be when the previous LD ended into blackness, it has nothing to do with OBEs and it doesnt matter if you know your still dreaming or not, you just have to have started in your bed

Good Lord... you misconstrued everything I said!

I believe you are incorrect when you say that a FA is simply when you go from one REM cycle to the other. What do you base this on? I've had numerous FAs in a row, where one occurs, then a dream starts momentarily, then I find myself in a FA again. Is my REM cycle resetting itself over and over? Not everyone is lucid during a FA, and more often than not, most people aren't! I am only lucid in about half of my FAs. When you do become lucid, though, you can turn it into a regular LD.

Also, I didn't say FAs have anything to do with OBEing. I said some people believe it may be an avenue to having an OBE.

Please read through things more carefully.

Originally posted by Matchbook
Good Lord... you misconstrued everything I said!

I believe you are incorrect when you say that a FA is simply when you go from one REM cycle to the other. *What do you base this on? *I've had numerous FAs in a row, where one occurs, then a dream starts momentarily, then I find myself in a FA again. *Is my REM cycle resetting itself over and over? *Not everyone is lucid during a FA, and more often than not, most people aren't! *I am only lucid in about half of my FAs. *When you do become lucid, though, you can turn it into a regular LD.

Also, I didn't say FAs have anything to do with OBEing. *I said some people believe it may be an avenue to having an OBE. *

Please read through things more carefully.

ah, it took me about five reads over your post to comprehend what you were saying but i finally got it!

your referring to a FA that randomly occurs in the mornings without a previous lucid dream, i was referring to a FA that happens directly after a lucid dream (when you start to black out of a lucid dream and you try to stay in the previous LD and it leads to you in a bed still dreaming)

also, sorry about that,. i did read over your post quite a few times before even beggining to understand it before posting, the reason i posted that you were an insane crackwhore is because i was under the impression that you were talking about a ld induced FA

Right, I was talking about the run-of-the mill FA that happens randomly. If Dreamtamer had distinguised between the two kinds of FAs then I would have referred that one in particular. I guess I better work on my cryptic writing style.

Originally posted by SantaDreamsToo


what the hell?

a False Awakening is when you go from one REM cycle to another, eccept your lucid when it happens so your mind makes the new dream start in your bed because thats where your expecting to be when the previous LD ended into blackness, it has nothing to do with OBEs and it doesnt matter if you know your still dreaming or not, you just have to have started in your bed

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I think your right SantaDreamsToo. The reason most people don’t understand what a FA is, is because they don’t understand or have a real conception of what a dream is. They need to read a few books on physiology in order to understand what’s going on. I’d like to explain the present philosophy here but it would be long and boring to most.

Well what are we talking about here? There is more than one type of FA. There is the FA that happens when we awake out of a LD and we find ourself in bed and we remain lucid. That is a lucid dream. We are closer to wakefulness than the usual lucid dream because we may actually see real waking scenery (I know this because I once had an FA where I saw my arm in a weird position and when I finally did wake up it was exactly the same way). But our mind is still in dreaming mode and if we remain lucid we can fall back into full dreaming mode and full lucidity.

Then we have the FA that occurs out of a non-LD. We find ourselves apparently awake in our bed and we look around thinking we are awake. Dream scenery or visuals may be superimposed over the actual world. I have woken up before to find myself with my pillow over my head and my arm in front of me, then I get up and I see people in my room, then my FA starts all over again. When I finally do wake myself completely up I see the same scenery as before with my arm in the same position and the pillow hanging over my head. The only thing that is different is my mindstate is no longer in a dreamstate and my motion is now being used in my waking body instead of being paralyzed and being able to move in my dream body.

These FAs really ARE dreams, but they aren't the same. What is actually happening is the FA starts, you may see true world life scenes in front of you, but instead of waking completely up, you fall back deeper into a dream state but your bedroom scene may continue into the dream where you then can get up and move around. If you are pulled back out of this deeper dream state again, you may find that the FA resets itself and you find yourself in bed again. I've had this happen up to 6 times in a row, where I am waking up slightly and see my bedroom but can't move, then as I fall a little deeper into sleep I am able to get up, still thinking I have woken up into real life, and I may walk around the house for a minute and then notice things are wrong and it may wake me up a little bit. Then it resets and I may think I've woken up AGAIN. Because at this half-awake point we are not able to use our full logical thinking functions, we may continue to believe we have woken up over and over even if we haven't.

Anyway, that is how it works. Feel free to disagree. I am not saying anyone is wrong, but it should be understood that there is more than one type of FA. FAs can be lucid dreams that are carried on into half-wakefulness, and then FAs that are non-lucid as described above.

SantaDreamsToo answered it when he said its just one Rem to another Rem.

Thing is, though, that that's not always the case. Some FAs occur sporadically in or succession of one another. Those aren't all REM phases. Although if you look at the typical FAs they are all probably very much the same, there are still quite a few that vary a lot and have different characteristics, or may be completely different. So it seems to me that to learn more about them will help make us the wiser about becoming lucid in them.

...but if you prefer one sentence answers to elaborations sobeit. I wasn't exactly nullifying what Santadreamstoo said, but I thought that the subject did deserve to be expounded.