Thread: A new take on WILD

This is how 50% of my WILDs happen as well. I've not done your visualization exercise, but I have laid in bed and not allowed myself to awaken too much. About the most I allow myself to awaken in the night is just enough to make a successful round trip to the toilet

Like you said however, it can be devilishly hard to maintain conciousness here, I almost always lapse back into non-lucid sleep.

Well, the visualization part is a little bit difficult at first because it is hard to determine at what point to start the visualizing. If you do it too early, the mental exercise it takes to manually visualize a scene may wake you back up.

Typically, if I awaken and I feel that I am close enough to sleep still, and would like to try a WILD, I will first start with the relaxation to induce the vibrations. Once this first part is accomplished, I wait for it to increase in magnitude before I start the visualization. Usually at this point I see in my vision an almost tunnel, warp-like effect in the dull vaccuous space in front of my eyes. At this point I know I am close to entering a dream. This is when I start to imagine myself in a scene, any scene will work. But I find it best to choose a scene that is on parallel with some of my dreamsigns.

When the visuals become more vivid, then I begin to imagine myself going into my dream body. Sometimes it is hard to tell when I have left my waking body, but if I am far enough into my WILD, sometimes I will try and *push* myself out. Usually this results in finding myself in my room next to my either empty or occupied (by me) bed. Since I don't particularly like entering an LD in my room, I usually wait til I enter the dream before trying to move.

I can recall at least 10 occasions that I have re-entered a dream I was just having through this technique. I will awaken and the first thing I do is relax and imagine myself RIGHT where I left off. I will see myself there and then BOOM, there I am again. Usually reentering a dream is not accompanied by the same vibrations of a typical WILD, and usually happens in short period of time.

Last night I had this happen. I was in a very interesting LD (which lasted a grand spanking 40 minutes I believe), and I started to notice I was waking up. Even before I found myself in bed, I decided to keep the image of the dream going. I felt myself in bed again with my pillow on my head, but kept the dream image going, and then it crept back into view and I slipped back into my dream body, none the worse for wear. You could debate that perhaps I never DID wake up into waking consciousness, but that would be beside the point. The general intention is to be able to regain a dream, or go back into a dream in a lucid state.

Anyway, even though my descriptions are a little long-winded, these really aren't hard techniques to adopt. The first thing to remember is to remember to immediately relax and attempt WILD coming straight out of a dream. The smaller concepts like visualization and transferrence into the dream body are just things to learn as your WILD success rate is increased.

Edit: Seeker, since you mentioned getting up to go to the bathroom, perhaps I'll mention the possible correlation between that and dreaming. I personally get up more times to go to the bathroom during the night than the average person. Probably 5 times. "What the hell is up with Matchbook and his overly-frequent toilet trips??" you are probably thinking lol. I don't know. But anyway, I am not sure if this is helpful in dreaming/LDing or not. I don't sleep usually more than 2 hours at a time before I wake up. And each time I go back to sleep I immediately enter my REM cycle again, therefore having more dreams, or at least easily recollected dreams. I am not sure if getting up or waking up frequently during the course of a night may help enhance dreaming. I would suggest trying out using an alarm to wake you every 2 hours to test that theory, but that would be annoying because you may be awakened out of an awesome dream. Anyway, just odd thoughts.

Have you ever tried to WILD when you first go to sleep, and if so, how often does it work?

I've only done this once. I went to bed without any prior sleep and forced myself to visualize things... OTHERWISE your mind just goes blank and theres nothing HENCE non-rem.

It almost never works for me because its so hard to do... Because essentially your going into a non-rem dream. They do exist, but there so dark and non-vivid that it sucks ass. I never did find a way to make things brighter.

Non-Rem sleep is very hard to be conscious in. Let alone dream in. So if you try wild before anysleep its going to be 10x more difficult. But it is interesting to know that you can be lucid during all phases of sleep.

-Daniel

interesting,

matchbook, this is such a good technique perhaps it should be added to someones WILD tutorial. when i quickly wake up and go back to sleep right away, thats when i usually notice the vibrations. im going to try this tomorrow. wakeing and not moving, IMMEDIATLEY trying to do WILD. this sounds a bit like an idea pytis had about doing MILD. anyway this should be added to a WILD tut somewhere as something to try if regular WILD is not working for everyone! HOPE THIS WORKS

In response to whether you can go to bed without having had any prior sleep and WILD, I don't believe it is a reliable method, but maybe it can be done. I have had times when I go from wakefulness to a sort of heavy hallucinatory state where I am still aware of being in my bed but am completely surrounded by dream scenery. Usually something weird happens that pops me awake. And it only lasts about 10 seconds. I don't think you can go into a traditional WILD from having had no sleep... unless, it is a daytime nap. That is because if you are going to bed at NIGHT your body will immediately need to have the rejuvenating sleep, so it doesn't go into REM immediately. During the day, it may go directly into REM

Jaydawg,

Stick with it. Sometimes it doesn't work, other times it does. I'm still trying to figure out what variables affect the chances of achieving a WILD from this technique. The key is to be consistent and keep trying. I assure you it is a good method once you figure out a good way to use it.

Matchbook, with your approval, I would like to add it to my tutorial. A lot of the material contained in the tutorial was collected from techniques shared on this forum anyway.

WILD is such a personal thing, it seems everyone has their own subtle variations on it and everytime is different in some manner.

Originally posted by Matchbook
Jaydawg,

Stick with it. *Sometimes it doesn't work, other times it does. *I'm still trying to figure out what variables affect the chances of achieving a WILD from this technique. *The key is to be consistent and keep trying. *I assure you it is a good method once you figure out a good way to use it.

or maybe i could figure out a way to not wake up running for pepto-bismol. perhaps i will be able to try it on my next REM awakening in a couple hours. well off to try a standard WBTB WILD...

Seeker,

Feel free to use it in a tutorial, that'd be great.