The communal V-WILD thread

[arby]

So, I talk to lots of people regularly about V-WILD. What always startles me is the amount of contrast people seem to find useful when trying to visualize or V-WILD. The second thing that startles me is how many different ways people can come up with to describe the exact same thing (or at least, stuff coming from the same root).

So, we're gonna try a little project...

It's simple really, give your best piece of advice for visualizing or V-WILDing. Anything, really. What sort of state of mind do you think is best or what is the easiest thing to visualize or what helps the visualization along. Even if you are terrible at visualization, post what you think would best help your visualization, just thinking logically and from past experiences. DO NOT READ THROUGH THE THREAD BEFORE DOING THIS.

Now, after you have done this, you may read through the thread and say any other piece of advice you get reminded of. BUT DO NOT CHANGE YOUR INITIAL ADVICE.

I offer no more info in this post to avoid skewing answers, I might provide more down below but do the first part before looking for it. Please take but a moment of your time. It can be just a sentence or a jot note. (and shouldn't be much longer, no 3 paragraph essays, please)

[hellohihello]

Visualize yourself running, exercising, or grabbing something.

Your body should move.

[allensig3654]

I really like to imagine myself walking down the park. Its fall and the leafs are falling from the trees. I pick them up as they fall and feel/smell them.

[Desert Claw]

I think that trying to remember your most memorable dreamscapes would be a good way to go, that way you are starting with something instead of waiting for some random colours and shapes appear. but thats what i think. I haven't really achieved any form of WILD/VILD whatever so im only making an educated guess...

[konj]

well,visualization doesn't help me much during pre SP,it usually takes a lot of time b4 it makes me unaware of my mouth and breathing,mabey because i visualize a lot in a short time,but then i try to make it more dinamic,that works from time to time if im patient

[ThreeLetterSyndrom]

Let the visualization come. Don't try to hard, because everybody's a natural visualiser.

Also, don't try to see things with your actual eyes. For me it's more in the back of the head, where I see things.

[Illusi0n]

I had already 2 v-wilds, I think the key is moving the body. I have noticed it becomes much more easier entering in the dream when I visualize myself moving on the scene (it’s important to “feel” like you were really moving). Most of times I simply visualize me getting up and doing a RC, sometimes I enter in that mini dreams of seconds but almost lucid.

If you have troubles visualizing, simply lay down and wait for some random images, then pick one and try to “develop” it.

Nice to see this project, I started to have interest in this technique ( 2 lucids not bad ) and I can surely say it´s very effective, and not, is not another version of DEILD.

[arby]

The responses that this is getting are GREAT. It's re-affirming important points. I agree with most points here =)

Keep it coming.

[hellohihello]

I just thought of something!

1.Visualize a scrabble bored.]
2. Spell out dream related terms ( just incase you fail and go to sleep )
3. Visualize yourself moving your arm putting the piece on, the texture of the piece, the sound it makes etc.


Just a thought

[donnieb2]

Try this just think of scene's in motion as your trying to sleep.It can be from anything from a movie you remember or a video game you played or to the tree's blowing in the wind.Just anything you can remember with motion but most important dont try to hard treat it like your on car ride and your the one next to the window just looking at the scenery.Thats what always get's me to actually seeing visual's. Nothing more but a mental movie player yes it may sound stupid but it works for me.

[Ryuinfinity]

I am a good visualizer on my own, but here is what I do when I'm stuck: Imagine the most ridiculous, epic movie ever. Now imagine the massive sets, the high-budget effects, the one-dimensiona characters, the choreographed gun/sword fights, everything.

[andrew1123]

Act. Whatever your visualization, don't just be a passive observer. Walk around, swing your arms, dance, play an instrument. Close your eyes now and visualize yourself doing one of these things--when I do this I feel as if I have two bodies, my physical body and my visual body, I think when one dreams, the visual body and senses are perceived as physical, actual (maybe it's just my subjective belief). One time, lying in bed, I suddenly had a very vivid visualization, and I tried moving my visual body, soon realizing I was moving my physical one. Actually, it turned out that my physical body was still (I had succeded in moving my "dream" body instead). It felt like a 3-second long dream.

It's now that I consider physical movement (or so you think) important to completing a visualization.

Does this make sense?

[juroara]

oh ho ho ho...forum experiment! fun fun fun!


I totally suck at VILDING, or actually, I totally suck at any intentional inducing method.

for me, my VILDS, I usually call them passive WILDs. From my past experience, I would describe it as 'falling asleep in a daydream'.

The daydream starts out as nothing more but thoughts for me. Not even visuals. Just thoughts. Except my thoughts werent jumpy or random. They stayed on track. What ever it was I was thinking about, I continued to think about it. The HIs begin. My thoughts are just enough to keep me awake as the HI's form. But really my attention is neither on my thoughts or on the HIs. Although both are happening, my consciousness is really nuetral, almost empty.

eventually the formless HIs begin to reflect my thoughts. and since my thoughts have remained on the same page, the HIs become a stable image. In other words you don't have to force yourself to visualize the same image. What you want to do, is keep your mind lightly focused on the same thought - of that which you want to visualize. The HI is now vivid, a pretty solid image. But it's 2dimensional. There's no sense of space. My physical sense of being is still on my bed.

the more I stare at this image, the more I think about it

the more I think about it

the more stable it becomes

the next to happen is sound. once the sound is added to the 2d image, I'm hooked

but like I said, I wasn't intentionally trying to do anything. The image fools me. If I was thinking about work, then I really believe I'm at work!! damn!! why am I still here!!

The real question is, will the experience be long enough for deph to form??

When deph slowly forms, its only infront of me. The image infront of me expands into a space. Characters move in this space in a life like manner. I can even hear their voices as if they were really there. But behind me, there is no space. Just my bed. The split sensation of the space infront of me and the flat bed, makes me realize that I'm experiencing a very vivid HI. This makes me 'lucid'.

how to turn it into a dream at this point? That's the magic of the VILD. Its as simple as grabbing hold of a character, holding onto something, or even just walking forward. And suddenly, the image becomes the round. Theres a space behind you and all around you now. Thats why I call it the passive WILD, because there is no sleep paralysis or frightening physical sensations.

But doing it intentionally? you're looking at the wrong person. my experiences only happen when Im stressed. I guess the stress makes me just restless enough to not fall asleep as the HIs form

[1r1sh]

The only success I have had with VWILD is by waking up early in the morning, about 2 hrs before normal, staying up for an hour doing something that occupies my mind, and finnaly attempting to WILD. Also it has never worked when try too hard, it has to be a small notion as I fall back to sleep.

[Dream_King]

I have tried the V-WILD several times, the last time, I had things happan in my visualization that I did not consiously create, but I was not dreaming yet. Was I close to a LD?