Thread: Lucid dreaming machines...

I bought and tested then sold Dream Maker Pro. Dont buy it, the thing just wasnt designed correctly and it doesnt work. Nova Dreamer has a good reputation of course with the current rate of $699 it should work. REM Dreamer is new on the market and affordable, so far the the thing shows promise at $160. There's a user (CRONO) who just got his, he'll be posting his results. I'll probably end up picking one up so I dont disturb my wife with audio cues. Although audio cues have been highy successful for me personally.

howdy. yeah I just bought the REM Dreamer. So far I like it, but in the two nights I've had it I haven't gotten much results. The first night I way over estimated how deep a sleeper I was and set the settings too high intensity/ duration/ etc. and it kept waking me up. Last night I was a bit drunk and didn't sleep comfortably even without the mask so it just wasn't a good night to experiment. I did wear it for the most part but most of the time I wasn't even asleep. I would have to say it's an excellent substitute for the Nova Dreamer though, the only difference (that I've been told) being that it doesn't hook up to your computer. I'm gonna post a whole thread about my experience with it once I've tinkered with it a bit more, so keep an eye out for that, especially if you're thinking about buying it.

this is what it looks like while you sleep with it lol ---> 8)

and I've heard really bad things about the Dream Maker Pro, the Wellness Tools one (right?). I've heard that it only detects movement, not neccisarilly REM and that there's a bunch of lies on the website about it's capabilities. There's a thread somewhere about someone having bad email to email experiences with the guy in charge too, can't remember the specifics though.

Keep in mind that a lot of people are highly against LD inducing devices, they believe that it's much better to learn to do it "naturally," as everyone is capable of having lucid dreams on their own.

The flipside to this argument is that a) no one likes to have others get something the easy way when others have practiced so hard and exercised discipline and patience to do it and B) the original Nova Dreamer (and similiar products) have all been very pricy. When someone can't afford it, they decide they don't want it, and over time manifesting into an overall disliking for it which gets spread through word of mouth.

The balance argument is that it's a fine way to get your feet wet, to get comfortable with LD so that you know what to expect and what to experience, but that afterwards you should learn to do it on your own.

Personally I don't care either way, it doesn't affect me what other people do with their dreams. I'm personally using it to experiment and make a judgement for myself what I think, I can't let others make the decision for me. The REM Dreamer is relatively cheap compared to the alternatives, and seems to offer the same service as the leading brand, the Nova Dreamer (which goes for $600-$1000 on ebay).

I'm with Crono on this one. I personally dont care how one achieves lucidity, from Joe Beginner to the master Stephen LaBerge; to each its own. I've been doing this since 91 I think and yes it took lots of practice. But when you get tired of dry spells and their are tools to assit you, then by God you should be able to use them. Audio files works for me but, that is not to say they are not disruptive. I'll end up getting a REM Dreamer so I dont wake up my wife with hypno audio files playing in the night. It makes sense. All these tools always take getting adjusted to of course. My advice is do not purchase Dream Maker (PRO), it doesnt work correctly. Bruce from WellnessTools may have an interest in mind tools exploration but I think he wanted a fast buck on Dream Maker.

my 2 cents