Thread: Want to start having lucids now? I can help.

How about instead of waking up, use the alarm to trigger a lucid dream, while dreaming. If you aren't dreaming that it will just wake you up. What is the point in waking about like every 12, 6 minutes?

Ok, verified the program works exactly as described!

My problem is that, even though I'm trying to WILD, I can't wake up too much, or the whole thing goes awry. I had the beeps set at three, and a low volume level. I set the first beep sequence to start at 6 hours into my sleep cycle, then every 5 minutes for 20 minutes, then back to 6 hours (has the effectof turning it off).

The problem is that it scared the crap out of me! Not only that, but it really became annoying because I would fall asleep (dreaming or not, don't know), and then the alarm would go again, scare me, and wake me right up. After awhile, it just became annoying so I turned it off

I need something much softer. I mean, my alarm clark to wake me up is Brian Eno, which is "Environmental Music". Most people might fall asleep to it, but it wakes me beautifully.

To me, I can only WILD if I am only partially awake. I can even get up to pee, as long as I just kind of keep my eyes closed just enough to see, and only have a night light. Once I hit full consciousness, it's all over. I just fall back asleep into what I think is NREM.

Okay going to try again tonight.

Mike:

I agree totally. That's what I'd like to do. Here is the method I am going to use. I haven't figured out exactly how to make it work (iPhone?), but here goes:

1. I set an alarm for about 6 hours into my sleep cycle, hoping I am hitting or nearing a REM stage.
2. The alarm goes off and plays a "dream trigger". This is not WILD, because I am still asleep.
3. The "dream trigger" causes me to do a reality check.
4. I realize I am dreaming and achieve Lucidity.
5. I immediately spin to stabilize the LD

Now, here is what I think is the important part. VERY important, in fact. The beep that the "timer.exe" program uses has a sound like an alarm clock. We are trained to wake up to these sounds. I mean REALLY wake up, as if to GET up. Now, granted, the point of WILD is to WAKE. However, I don't want to wake up, completely, and this method does that.

Instead, I would select a sound (something soft, like wind chimes or something), and listen to it with my eyes closed and say over and over "I am dreaming". I would do this daily while I am fully awake. In effect, training myself (almost Pavlovian) to think a particular thought when I hear a particular sound.

I would NEVER listen to this particular sound for any other reason. The only time is for "training", and for actual awakening.

If it works, when you hear the sound in your sleep during REM, it might trigger you to think the words you have spoken as a mantra, "I am dreaming". If you are still in NREM, you probably won't hear it at all, and continue sleeping.

The advantage here, is that is would only be perceptable in the REM state, and would allow you to do sort of a DILD/WILD type of technique.

What do you think?

Originally Posted by ZoeSeeker

Mike:

I agree totally. That's what I'd like to do. Here is the method I am going to use. I haven't figured out exactly how to make it work (iPhone?), but here goes:

1. I set an alarm for about 6 hours into my sleep cycle, hoping I am hitting or nearing a REM stage.
2. The alarm goes off and plays a "dream trigger". This is not WILD, because I am still asleep.
3. The "dream trigger" causes me to do a reality check.
4. I realize I am dreaming and achieve Lucidity.
5. I immediately spin to stabilize the LD

Now, here is what I think is the important part. VERY important, in fact. The beep that the "timer.exe" program uses has a sound like an alarm clock. We are trained to wake up to these sounds. I mean REALLY wake up, as if to GET up. Now, granted, the point of WILD is to WAKE. However, I don't want to wake up, completely, and this method does that.

Instead, I would select a sound (something soft, like wind chimes or something), and listen to it with my eyes closed and say over and over "I am dreaming". I would do this daily while I am fully awake. In effect, training myself (almost Pavlovian) to think a particular thought when I hear a particular sound.

I would NEVER listen to this particular sound for any other reason. The only time is for "training", and for actual awakening.

If it works, when you hear the sound in your sleep during REM, it might trigger you to think the words you have spoken as a mantra, "I am dreaming". If you are still in NREM, you probably won't hear it at all, and continue sleeping.

The advantage here, is that is would only be perceptable in the REM state, and would allow you to do sort of a DILD/WILD type of technique.

What do you think?

I thinks its a very good idea and you should try it and post how it goes

I'm going to try it tonight and will post the results.

For me it is not really working, it wakes me up but I just pass out, and it keeps ringing. I don't notice it in my dreams and it was annoying I will try it again tonight but if that does not work I will go back to WBTB.

Ok, I want to make sure that everyone understands clearly how this works. It is not meant to give you a signal inside your dream to make you lucid, and it will not do that... This works and works very well based on this. You are supposed to set your computer as loud as it can go, and this tone is meant to be loud and shocking/disturbing. It is meant to wake you up every single time it goes off and here is why. Because the first set of tones is mean't to set up your lucid dream, those tones stick to a pattern of waking you up every 4-6 minutes.. the brain hates to be shocked awake suddenly.. the mind is subconsciously waiting on another tone in the 20 minute slots... yet it doesn't get one when it is expecting it, so in anticipation, your sub conscious wakes up expecting the tone.. so that it is not so startling.. when this happens, you become fully lucid in your dream.. Now, the second string of tones at the end of this has another effect. Each time you are woken from SP, your body goes deeper into SP, so after several of these tones waking you up each time.. you will start to wake up in SP.. because your body still has not came out of it yet.. there is a huge advantage to this as you know.. because if you did not wake up fully in SP, if you lay perfectly still for just a few seconds with your eyes closed, your body will go right back into it.. from there, you can easily visualize yourself right into a LD or OBE, just use any of the induction techniques... So remember, this alarm process is meant to shock you awake everytime.. So let it.. don't try to change it.. just try it as is... and use ramp 4. Let me know how this works for you guys..

hmmm... this sounds good. I think i'll give it a try. I'll have to use headphones but... they fall out when i sleep

I'll post back and let everyone know how it goes!

After 2 trys I don't feel like wasting LD anymores.

i might use this as a last resort. Thanks for posting!

I tried last night, and by the time I'd grabbed the charger for my laptop and set it up, I'd moved a bit and had not fallen asleep before the first alarm. this helped to keep me up for a good while longer. Could that have been a barrier to the success of the method?

Will the beeps not wake you up while lucid? Especially if you put the volume on loud (like your advice.)

Originally Posted by atkins513

and as for freyja, there are MP3 Files that play the alarm notes in the same order and time frames that you can get. I can even help you if you are interested and want to try it on your mac... let me know..

Do you think I could get an mp3 of this? My laptop fan is too loud

"Do you think I could get an mp3 of this? My laptop fan is too loud "

No MP3's cannot become timed alarms(unless you have a separate timing app).

i just want an mp3 that has the beeps spread out the same

You would never be able to change it. You would have to make it yourself.

Couldn't you just use your ipod or even a regular phone? Just make multiple alarms with the same sound to go off at intervals starting at a certain time?

Jonn i'll reply here with a link for an mp3 in a half hour

I could use an ipod or phone but I cant find an alarm that turns off after a few seconds

ok here is the mp3. in the beginning when you hit play it will beep 9 times just so you can get the volume correctly. then it follows Ramp 4 on the timer.exe. it beeps 3 times at the end of each interval.

i think this method has potential.. and remember, whats supposed to happen is its supposed to abruptly wake you up / stop you from falling asleep if you haven't fallen asleep yet 8 minutes after you set it, then 4 minutes after the first alarm, and then another 8 minutes after the 2nd alarm. now you run this thing after 4 - 5 hrs of sleep so ur still tired, and now your brain is used to waking up abruptly. the next interval is a long one of 12 minutes and you should have no trouble falliing asleep by then. what should happen is, around 4 - 8 minutes of sleep, your brain will just "wake" by itself (because its been jarred awake at this interval 3 times already) and you will become lucid. good luck.

http://www.mediafire.com/?5zc5uk5l1e4uf12

Thanks so much

no problem. be sure to post back and let us know how it went. i'm very interested in this method

Tonight I'm updating my iPod so I wont be able to try it (it's that ios 4 update that takes forever)

But I'll try it tomorrow night and let you know if it works for me