Thread: flying really easy?

Originally posted by xcrissxcrossx
Last night i had an LD and the first thing i tried to do was fly. I did it flawlessly. but that was all i could do. I couldnt change location or anything. is this wierd?

You see, Dreams are an expression of the Collective Consciousness.

I know that the Materialist Orthodoxy has it that Dreams are entirely out of one's own brain, one's own personal mind, and that any subjective desire or expectation is equal to all others. But that is wrong.

Regarding Dreaming as Subjectively Objective and that we are all held within the Constraints of what is Collectively allowed, then we can make sense of why you can easily fly and not easily do anything else.

First, then, congratulations. You are a High Spiritual Soul. Why do I say that? Well, because only High Spiritual Souls can find it easy to Fly. Ordinary low pedestrian souls have a terrible time learning how to Fly and Levitate. They go on and on about techniques and such, when, really, what they have is a broader spiritual problem of being, well, low. Maybe a reading list of inspired literature would help. Anything that would elevate their character would help.

Now, about all this Control that you don't have. You will need to understand there that all the talk that you have heard about Lucid Dream Control has been sheer propaganda. New Age Gurus generate up a bunch of hype to sell books and to fully book their Weekend Seminars at the Plaza Hotel. If it generated interest, then it has served its purpose. Truth takes a far second place.

Just look at some of these essays

http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/tableof.htm

Particulary Dr. Anne Faraday's Essay

http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/selling.htm

And you will realize that much of what is discussed by the Lucid Dreaming Community is a bunch of misinformed bullcrap.

The Higher Dream Mind never intended Lucid Dreaming to become sleeps version of pornographic video gaming. Dreaming has a purpose. Dreaming is like a River with its own depths and currents. We can go with the flow or against it.

Hey there xcrissxcrossx!

(pay no attention to the lion behind the curtain )

I wouldn't say your experience was unusual. Different people find different things to be easy or difficult to do in LDs. You seem to be like me -- flying has always been pretty easy (at least getting off the ground), but changing the scene of my dream has been more difficult, and required more work on my part.

Originally posted by xcrissxcrossx
Last night i had an LD and the first thing i tried to do was fly. I did it flawlessly. but that was all i could do. I couldnt change location or anything. is this wierd?

Sounds like the second LD I ever had, before I knew what Lucid Dreaming was. I just jumped off a waterfall, flapped my arms hard to keep up and glided down, it was the greatest experience ever...(sighs)...good times.

P.S. Leo Volont, you have managed to confuse me again with the thing about high spiritual souls, and dream self, etc. I am not trying to discredit it (some of it I find very interesting), but I find it all very confusing, as I am not spiritual, and I am wondering of what religion you are of, as some of your views are very different than mine, and some are very close to them (I am jewish, but my beliefs are a mix of many different religeons combined with my own views), and I am interested in learning a bit more about the spiritual views that you believe in, and their roots.

I also can fly quite easily. One of my favourites is flying on a swing set, heh. But really, I don't even think about it, I can just fly. I don't know if I jump up or just start levitating or what though.

But again, like the others, I have had little or no control in my dreams. I haven't tried to change the scene that often. I want to "conjure" people, but never can seem to do it.

Now that I think about it, I never really *wanted* or *tried* to fly purposely, but I could do it right away. But the things that I *want* to do, such as conjuring people don't work. Hmm... coincidence...?

Sounds to me that you are trying to speak for god, leo.

Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div>

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Last night i had an LD and the first thing i tried to do was fly. I did it flawlessly. but that was all i could do. I couldnt change location or anything. is this wierd?

You see, Dreams are an expression of the Collective Consciousness.

I know that the Materialist Orthodoxy has it that Dreams are entirely out of one's own brain, one's own personal mind, and that any subjective desire or expectation is equal to all others. But that is wrong.

Regarding Dreaming as Subjectively Objective and that we are all held within the Constraints of what is Collectively allowed, then we can make sense of why you can easily fly and not easily do anything else.

First, then, congratulations. You are a High Spiritual Soul. Why do I say that? Well, because only High Spiritual Souls can find it easy to Fly. Ordinary low pedestrian souls have a terrible time learning how to Fly and Levitate. They go on and on about techniques and such, when, really, what they have is a broader spiritual problem of being, well, low. Maybe a reading list of inspired literature would help. Anything that would elevate their character would help.

Now, about all this Control that you don't have. You will need to understand there that all the talk that you have heard about Lucid Dream Control has been sheer propaganda. New Age Gurus generate up a bunch of hype to sell books and to fully book their Weekend Seminars at the Plaza Hotel. If it generated interest, then it has served its purpose. Truth takes a far second place.

Just look at some of these essays

http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/tableof.htm

Particulary Dr. Anne Faraday's Essay

http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/selling.htm

And you will realize that much of what is discussed by the Lucid Dreaming Community is a bunch of misinformed bullcrap.

The Higher Dream Mind never intended Lucid Dreaming to become sleeps version of pornographic video gaming. Dreaming has a purpose. Dreaming is like a River with its own depths and currents. We can go with the flow or against it.[/b]

Leo, Everyone isn't religious on this forum, like myself. I couldn't possibly believe that ones soul has anything to do with this, it's all in his head. After some practice and not reading litterature he'll manage to do whatever he want in his own dream. It's his visualization not anyone elses. He can't easily fly just because he has a high spiritiual " soul ".

I say, give him a little practice and just remember: It's you're world you created it you're the boss. Good luck, have fun ^_^

So.. Leo.. following your ''higher people can fly'' theory.

What does it mean that I can do ANYTHING, in my dream, when it comes to manipulation / alteration.

I'm the ubergod?
I don't think so.

The main concept is: Believe that this is your domain, you are in control.

For example, i've implemented the ''0mega'' character in my dream.

While the character itself is obsolete now, it has granted me the belief of being in my OWN Domain.. allowing me to have total control.

is treu that every1 makes is own dream? I think every1 can fly when ther have a LD its just like loading the matrix. if every1 had control on his/her dreams you can do what you want. walk treu walls and fly is able to me...

Hm.. you could say ''like the matrix''.... Though that's a little odd to use xD.

But yeah you can do anything you want, but only if you learn HOW to.

It's like... buying a TANK.
You have a tank, you have ''POTENTIAL'' power.
You just need to learn how to drive the tank, then you can UNLEASH that power.

First, then, congratulations. You are a High Spiritual Soul. Why do I say that? Well, because only High Spiritual Souls can find it easy to Fly[/b]

Last night I had my first flying LD. I just ran and jumped out the window. Of course, I don&#39;t know if I would attribute it to that. I just figured it was because I had released myself of all limitations and doubt that I could not do it.

I had no trouble in learning how to fly (I eavesdropped on a DC&#39;s flying class just once and I have been perfect at flying since then) and I wouldn&#39;t consider myself as having a "High Spiritual Soul". It&#39;s more about grasping the concept of flying without mechanical aid/conjuring people out of nowhere/anything else people can&#39;t normally do in their waking life. I would consider myself introverted before I dare consider myself spiritual.

Originally Posted by GiraffeToothbrush

I had no trouble in learning how to fly (I eavesdropped on a DC&#39;s flying class just once and I have been perfect at flying since then)
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I think you just unlocked the secret to learning to fly in LDs&#33; We should all attend a dream flying class. It actually does seem like a very good idea.

Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

Last night i had an LD and the first thing i tried to do was fly. I did it flawlessly. but that was all i could do. I couldnt change location or anything. is this wierd?
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Maybe you should have flown to a new location.

Originally Posted by Raylin

I think you just unlocked the secret to learning to fly in LDs&#33; We should all attend a dream flying class. It actually does seem like a very good idea.
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I&#39;m not sure if it was specifically a flying class in my case; they were just learning how to fly in that one lesson. I stayed for a little while with the class after that, and the instructor started rambling about semen. I&#39;ll never know what that class really was, and I do not intend to find out.

I agree that it&#39;s a good idea, though.

Originally Posted by Leo

You see, Dreams are an expression of the Collective Consciousness.
I know that the Materialist Orthodoxy has it that Dreams are entirely out of one&#39;s own brain, one&#39;s own personal mind, and that any subjective desire or expectation is equal to all others. But that is wrong.
Regarding Dreaming as Subjectively Objective and that we are all held within the Constraints of what is Collectively allowed, then we can make sense of why you can easily fly and not easily do anything else.
First, then, congratulations. You are a High Spiritual Soul. Why do I say that? Well, because only High Spiritual Souls can find it easy to Fly. Ordinary low pedestrian souls have a terrible time learning how to Fly and Levitate. They go on and on about techniques and such, when, really, what they have is a broader spiritual problem of being, well, low. Maybe a reading list of inspired literature would help. Anything that would elevate their character would help.
Now, about all this Control that you don&#39;t have. You will need to understand there that all the talk that you have heard about Lucid Dream Control has been sheer propaganda. New Age Gurus generate up a bunch of hype to sell books and to fully book their Weekend Seminars at the Plaza Hotel. If it generated interest, then it has served its purpose. Truth takes a far second place.
Just look at some of these essays
http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/tableof.htm
Particulary Dr. Anne Faraday&#39;s Essay
http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/selling.htm
And you will realize that much of what is discussed by the Lucid Dreaming Community is a bunch of misinformed bullcrap.
The Higher Dream Mind never intended Lucid Dreaming to become sleeps version of pornographic video gaming. Dreaming has a purpose. Dreaming is like a River with its own depths and currents. We can go with the flow or against it.
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Hey leo im religous too but i dont think religion has anything to do with lucid dreaming. I consider lucid dreaming to be just something to do while ur sleeping. u may disagree with me because im american and all americans are stupid idiots, but at the same time come on. cooome oooonnnn. can we please keep the r&s discussion to the R&S forum? i could fly easy too. its just how much u believe u can or how much u place checks on urself. lets all just try to help the nooblets rather than chastizing them for there inability to fly immediately. some people just need more practice, thats no reason to go around calling them low souls.