Self Improvement

**Norwatch** · 06-04-2006 11:53 PM

now, im not sure if this topic should actualy go here, or in the general chat, or in the 'beond dreaming' forum, but i decided to put it here, so here it is:

i have heard mention somewhere (i dont remember where, so no link sorry) of people actualy going, in their LD's, and changing physical aspects of themselves OUTSIDE OF THE DREAM, or at least attesting to doing so.

now im not stupid or delusonal, so i know you cannot go in and suddenly change your face, or hair or something and wake up and have it be like that, because thats imposible in about every way i can think of. what i mean is changing certian aspects of yourself related to your subconsious mind, namely your brain and your nervous system. what i mean by this is perhaps somehow taping into your subconsious mind during a lucid dream (what you do pretty much the whole time as far as i can see, i think thats the point of an ld, bringing your consious mind into the world of your subconsious, but correct me if im wrong) and changing the way your mind works, such as improving your memory, turning up your sense of hearing (via increasing the strenght of the signals coming from your ears as they are inturpreted or some such), or even improving your reflexes. since these things are controlled by your subconsious mind, and you can tap into your subconsious mind in an ld, it stands to reason that you should be able to affect them, right?

something like thinking about your breath, and then suddenly taking over for you subconsious mind (which untill you thought about it was pumping your lungs in and out in an even pattern) and holding your breath, or breathing realy fast / realy slow.

anyway, im not sure if any of this is possible, but from what ive though about it, it just might be for all you lucid experts and gods out there.

just want to see what people think of this idea, so post any flaws / agrements / other theories about this whole concept here. i dont mind being burned about how stupid the idea is, so go ahead and flame it to pecies if ya like

**Manifold_Time** · 06-05-2006 12:04 AM

You certainly can improve metal aspects of yourself in dreams, but I don't believe you can build muscle or anything. If you believe in remote viewing and astral projections, you can gain new knowledge that you didn't already have, but I don't know if I believe in that. It is possible to reason in your dreams and come up with new insights to things, because you aren't gaining any new knowledge that you didn't already have.

**Norwatch** · 06-05-2006 10:08 AM

thats not exactly what i meant, i mean, building muscle in a dream would be kinda imposible (unless you were kicking out the whole time or something) i was talking about things that are directly part of your nervous system, such as your senses touch, hearing, sight, balance, pain and all those, not like astrial projection n stuff. i was not implying anything supernatural, as i dont really belive in those things much myself.

**soljah51** · 06-05-2006 05:20 PM

yah i think its totally possible to improve ur subconscience reflexes and things of that nature to a point, but i'm going to try over the next few night and see what happens and i'll give u a response and tell u what i find out.

**Norwatch** · 06-05-2006 10:44 PM

thanks much. i would apreciate the feedback. heeeey this gives me an idea!

this could potentialy be a realy good experiment, il try to devise some tests and such, mebi this can be an officaly DV experiment! if any of you admins read this, mebi post something or pm me?

**DreamGuy88** · 06-06-2006 09:27 PM

I've been waiting until I get a good LD to do pretty much the same thing.
My first goal was to tell my subconcious to improve my LDing abilities and then to work on remembering my dreams from my past. I never thought about using it for that though.

**Lucid_Diamonds** · 06-25-2006 02:33 PM

If you make some type of experiment let me know, i'd love to help. I am thinking that a change in the subconscious mind wouldn't be out of reach. I am interesting in seeing some results too.

**danbarber** · 06-26-2006 06:23 PM

I'll take part, if I can get the lucids that is.

**Trocious** · 06-28-2006 10:46 AM

Yeah, it sometimes works... I remember a really good LD i had where i was in my house and looking around for some sort of subconscious, so I just started whispering to what i figured my subconscious was.

I hope he heard, cus i told him to give my lucids in every dream -_-

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