Thread: animal cruelty

Um, yeah--if you're wearing something else's hide on your person, you can pretty much rest assured that the animal didn't live a stellar life, nor give up its skin willingly. Personally, I'm not dogmatic about avoiding animal fabrics, but I do find fur and shiny leather pretty distasteful and ridiculous looking.

This stuff makes me really sad. If I think about it too much I'd start crying.

I don't wanna watch it. Can someone summarize it for me?

I didn't watch the video, but judging from the posts here, it's about fur and I've seen enough of those videos to last me a lifetime.

I like this quote, in regards to animal cruelty in general:

"Isn't man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife--birds, kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes, and dingoes--by the million in order to protect his domestic animals and their feed. Then he kills domestic animals by the billion and eats them. This in turn kills man by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative--and fatal--health conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer. So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to look for cures for these disease. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, some people are dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of man, who kills so easily and so violently, and once a year sends out cards praying for "Peace on Earth." -- C. David Coats

I always wondered why animal rights activists have such a fascination with animal cruelty that they feel they must show everyone their footage and make everyone feel bad about themselves.

They kind of imply that what they are showing is the standard and that anyone who buys animal products is a perverted asshole who couldn't care less about animal abuse. Awww, those poor animals! That is really the lowest form of trying to get supporters - and it works.

Here's a hint: Some people treating animals cruelly and someone else videotaping that does not constitute an ethical argument. Skinning live animals, kicking farm birds or a half-dead chicken rotting in its feces is simply this: GORE. PETA seems to be fucking obsessed with gore. They keep spreading the same old grainy videos of animals being abused in the most brutal ways. This is totally uncalled for.

And by the way, PETA is to me a distasteful, fundamentalist, anti-human terrorist organization. And using animals is different from abusing animals or "animal cruelty".


Seriously, I find this video worse than the animal cruelty it shows. And this dumbfounded bitch McCarthy commenting on it like she's the shit. Actually showing someone stepping on a live animal's head like this has any meaning besides it being perverted. There is NO need to show this to ANYONE and it's ironic that a group like PETA is the one to do it.

"Hey, we're totally against animal cruelty. Here, look at my compilation of animals getting kicked, slashed, stepped on, thrown around, shot, skinned and burnt."
What a bunch of stupid fucking cunts.

Hey, if anyone wants to abuse animals, all he has to do is buy some and treat them like shit. There's not really much the animals can do, or Stella McCarthy can do or some other misguided animal rights activist can do. Some people are SHIT, but that has zero to do with the question of animal rights.

^ ^ ^ Get outta here.

Yes, I need to get back to asphyxiating puppies, wearing polar bear fur, anyway. Oh, and step on animals. Yes!

For the record: Are you vegan?

Wow.

So I am assuming you are both vegan.
And surely the copper in your house was produced without cow bones.

Originally Posted by Korittke

So I am assuming you are both vegan.
And surely the copper in your house was produced without cow bones.

Uh no, you assume wrong. there is no such thing as a vegan. It's impossible.

Originally Posted by Xox

Uh no, you assume wrong. there is no such thing as a vegan. It's impossible.

So, what was your rolleye'd 'Wow' in reference to?

I didn't watch, but I have like 70 times in English class when we were on the Holocaust unit.

Killing animals is completely fine. But making them suffer unbearingly is just unneccesary. I've killed a deer or two in Hunting season. All that happens is that the deer gets shot in the heart/brain and dies just like that. I don't go over and rip it's head off while it's alive! (I rip it off when it's dead. )

And btw, not all meat companies do this. This is probably the worst one. Other ones are probably really humane. PETA just wants you to get the worst image in your head.

Animal cruelty is horrible. But just sitting there videotaping it so your stupid club can get publicity is worse.

So, what was your rolleye'd 'Wow' in reference to?

Probably you sounding like as much of a jackass as possible.

Yeah, that's like me, I don't get all offended at people who hunt and stuff. All I ask is to not "torture" them, and don't kill them for fun.

I can certainly appreciate Korritke's stance on this. I think he and suttsman basically have the same point, but suttsman probably made it a bit more clear. It sort of reminds me of Christian fundamentalists who stand around our college campus holding up HUGE photos of 7 month old aborted babies, just trying to win support for their anti-abortion stance. They don't care that those are pictures of babies who have just been born prematurely, they don't care that it's extremely rare for an abortion to happen after the 3rd month of pregnancy... they just use those horrible pictures to shock people into supporting them.

Yeah uhh, I hope that example is at least moderately relevant. Kinda rambled there. Anyway yeah, animal cruelty sucks ass.

hmmm I'll brace myself for attack but.....

I agree with Korittke.

OK so they show you videos of all these animals being treated so horribly. Somehow this equated to " EVERYONE WHO BUYS FUR IS A HORRIBLE SICK HUMAN BEING!!". Well I'm sorry but that's just plainly not true. Did you know that a large number of Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc are prejudiced against homosexuals? In fact if we went across the world and interviews the thousands of homosexuals or other "abominations", especially in small towns, we would find accounts of horrible psychical and mental abuse, children being forced out of their homes by their parents, homosexuals being kicked to the floor by groups of loving and caring followers of God. So maybe i should start an organization to show the world these horrors that religions causes?

below is an example of what could be said from the above information...

Spoiler for This may offend slightly if you are of religious disposition:

in fact why not use the relatively small sample of religious people involved in discriminating against homosexuals to tell the world.. " IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS YOU ARE SICK! YOUR GOD NOT ONLY ALLOWS DISCRIMINATION OF THE VULNERABLE BUT HE ADVOCATES IT! ANY RELIGIOUS PERSON SHOULD LOOK AT THEMSELVES AT VOMIT OR FOLLOWING A BELIEF SYSTEM OF HATE, ALIENATION OF OTHERS, KILLING OF THEIR FLESH AND BLOOD!!"

but... of course this is not fair and is not accurate. As the majority of religious people are loving and caring people.

You may claim my example is nothing like animal cruelty, but human to human cruelty is exactly the same and if we are to categories cruelty it is much worse, but is left alone.

Humans are the dominant species on this planet. If your religious this is especially so as God tells us to rule over the animals. Humans also need clothes,food and other products such come from animals, this is nature. So we herd animals together and breed them, then we kill them and take what we need from that animal. Now i will admit seeing battery chickens and other animals trapped in ridiculously small spaces is cruel, my family buys organic free-range chickens, wont do much good but we know we are not supporting battery chickens( the meat is poor anyway). But then again methods like this make meat cheaper, free range is expensive. Not everyone can afford high grade meat and so since many people can only buy cheap meat, companies must make this meat cheap, for example breeding chickens in this "battery chicken" method. So while the middle and upper classes my think its vile, well honestly what other methods are going to make food affordable to those who don't have all the money for luxuries.

What i am trying to say is that organizations with agendas do blow things out of proportion. Maybe some fur coats are made from animals that were skinned alive, but the majority, especially if you buy from more developed countries, wont be. of course if one buys from a poor country since they want it cheap, again cheap means cheap practices. So in those countries maybe animals are caught from the wild, not fed, skinned alive etc. Because for one thing the culture is different, a few hundred years ago in first world countries we treated animals with the same low level of consideration and also because they need all the money they can get.

It may be cruel, but unfortunately the world is not a perfect place. You can't have a high standard life for everyone, there;s just not enough resources. Some people are going to suffer in this world, some animals are going to suffer because of us. Unless you want humans to live in a completely self sustainable way, which means a large cull of humans for a start and then a life similar to what we had hundreds of years ago before much in the way of technology, then your going to have to accept this is the way things are.

I'm sorry if i offend and it seems from peoples complete disagreement and disapproval with Korittke opinion i will. But I'm not going to change my view, if you want to insult me because of my view, please do it in a PM for the forums sake.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Yes, I need to get back to asphyxiating puppies, wearing polar bear fur, anyway. Oh, and step on animals. Yes!

For the record: Are you vegan?

I'm a vegetarian. Working towards eliminating as much animal product from my life as possible. I don't know exactly what that will encompass, but I'm slowly learning and trying everyday.

Look, you can freak out and ramble all you want, here's my pov and it's pretty basic. Factory farming, the fur industry - it sucks. It's as simple as that. You see what actually goes on and honestly, the best way that I can put it is that it sucks.

I get that people will eat meat and wear fur, and surprisingly, I could even be ok with that, if it was just more humane and if humans were less excessive about it. That's it. It's simple.

My stance on the matter is that harvesting what natural ressources we need from domesticated animals is acceptable, so is controlled hunting and trapping of non-endangered wild species. What bothers me is any form of harming exotic/endangered animals and cruel treatment of pets.

I always find it odd; the extremes on both sides of this argument.

I have been vegetarian for 8 years; not for animal rights, but because of the sick industry. Call it animal "welfare"; including my own for not eating contaminated meat. Animal rights is impossible; the mere concept is a fallacy. To impose rights on animals is a crime against nature. I think most animal rights people really believe in animal welfare. I am not opposed to hunting or eating meat, just factory farming. Just remember that groups like PETA are a mess like everything else, and tend to confound the problem while adding new ones.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I don't wanna watch it. Can someone summarize it for me?

It's really gory. I watched it because i feel as if i cannot just ignore seeing what's going on. Anyway.... it pretty much was animals in extreme pain getting beat and unable to defend themselves because how much they got beat and get tortured alive. This is a good reality check. It's wrong but we cannot police every country to our beliefs, although you're pretty stupid if you don't know that it's wrong. I wont get into it, it's VERY gory.

The real deal on PETA:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Originally Posted by 27

The real deal on PETA:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Penn and Teller are a waste of time.

Only if you want to ignore their facts.

I mean on their usual junk.

The crucial point here ought to be to focus on the people doing these things and why they are doing them. The focus should not be on making vapid policies that will easily be ignored by someone who is willing to skin animals alive. Instead, investigate the reasons for why they are doing these awful acts and remove the incentive.

What do you think...?
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