Thread: Is anybody a vegetarian or a vegan?

I was a vegetarian, but I like meat too much.

This is what I hate about vegitarians, they push there belifes on others. 'I eat helpless cows" just because some one does not follow you way of life does not make them a bad person. YOU EAT HELPLESS PLANTS is that any better, no. i am, not saying that I hate you, but please let me have my own way of life.

P.S. I have tryed to become a vegetarian many times, but I just don't have the will power

Originally posted by sitboy
This is what I hate about vegitarians, they push there belifes on others. 'I eat helpless cows\" just because some one does not follow you way of life does not make them a bad person. YOU EAT HELPLESS PLANTS is that any better, no. i am, not saying that I hate you, but please let me have my own way of life.

P.S. I have tryed to become a vegetarian many times, but I just don't have the will power

Thats a bit hypocritcal, saying that you hate vegetariand beliefs, then saying that you were once one.

After having a number of friends who all either are vegetarian or tried it, all of whom are always sick and lack energy due to a lack of nutrients found in meat, I don't think I shall every try it myself.

I know that nutrients found in meat can be obtained other ways, but apparently not so easily as some people might have you believe.

I don't eat alot of red meat. Occasionally I do, but mostly chicken.

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This is what I hate about vegitarians, they push there belifes on others. 'I eat helpless cows\" just because some one does not follow you way of life does not make them a bad person. YOU EAT HELPLESS PLANTS is that any better, no. i am, not saying that I hate you, but please let me have my own way of life.

P.S. I have tryed to become a vegetarian many times, but I just don't have the will power

Thats a bit hypocritcal, saying that you hate vegetariand beliefs, then saying that you were once one.[/b]

I never said that I hate vegitarian belifes, I commend them for it, I said that I don't like when they push them on people, like dumping red paint on peoples fun coats. I don't hate vegitarian belifes or vegitarins, i just don't like how extreme they get to push them, a pamplet is just as good to get the point across. they should not guilt people not to eat meat.

If you just don't like the taste of meat, I have no problem with that...but the argument from ethics kinda bugs me. Whether or not you eat that steak, the cow still died. And even if half the world turns to vegetarianism, every cow that is bred for meat will still be butchered for meat.

It's not as if having a veggie burger is going to lead to the release of all the farm animals into the wild or something.

Originally posted by sitboy
This is what I hate about vegitarians, they push there belifes on others. 'I eat helpless cows\" just because some one does not follow you way of life does not make them a bad person.

sorry, it was meant to be kind of humorous.

I'm I’ve been either vegan or vegetarian for about 8 years.

I do it for many reasons, none of which I’m pushing on anyone else, each too their own.

I first gave up red meat because my stomach had trouble digesting it. I have a bad digestive system also I have an intolerance to wheat, milk blah blah blah, I’m sensitive. Then a few years later I had to gut a fish. This disturbed me even though I use to fish for many years with my father when I was young. It got me thinking if I can not even gut a fish how could I kill a fish. So I came to the conclusion that it’s not right for me personally to go to the supermarket and buy flesh if I can not take its life myself. I can however pull a plant out of the ground, ha ha. So that’s some of the reasons why, I have more and yes some are that I do not support the farming industry.

I'm hanging out to eat a fish tho so I’m considering going fishing but at this stage it is just a thought. I think I would not have the balls to kill it.

Peace Sensi.

I'm completely fine with vegans (I am not one). I don't care if you only eat mud, it's not like it affects me in any way. However, the whole point of being one to save animals is something I don't understand - I mean, if you stop eating meat, some other guy will eat it anyway. Eating meat was one of those things we just had to do back before the times of vitamins and other scientific goodies - we had to have food, really, a caveman couldn't just drop in at his local jurassic pharamacy and pick up some vitamin tablets - so in a way being a vegan is a kind of luxury that science gives us. Sort of. Okay, so I went off in a tangent. I shall continue to do so.

One thing I don't like is when people slaughter cows and stuff in inhumane ways. Same with the KFC chicken stuff. I mean, you can give a chicken a quick clunk and it's dead before it knew it was dead, so dies quite happily and lives a nice chickeny afterlife clucking around and doing whatever it wants, or you can beat a chicken and scare the poor thing and make it have the fright of its life and make it helpless, and basically be a right bastard to the chicken, putting it through major distress (which even chickens are capable of feeling), and then kill it. In which case you deserve to have the chicken god come down and smite you for being an insensitive asshole.

So, um, yeah, I guess if you want to be a vegan, fine. If you want to eat meat, fine, but please try and kill things quickly and relatively painlessly (as far as is possible with the whole killing thing, you know). My views in compacted goodness.

I'm an omnivore in the worst way. If beating an animal to within an inch of it's life, letting it recover, and then beating it to death makes it taste just that much more succulent, I have no problem.

Did you know you can actually use a tenderizer to make your meat more succulent after the animal is already dead? If you don't know what a tenderiser is it is a big metal hammer with spikes on it that you beat your steak with.

Peace Sensi.

Vegan, Represent.



About the "somebody is going to eat the cow anyway" comment. The idea is to take yourself out of the market. These cow fields exist because of the demand, and a vegan diet is so much more efficient in terms of energy/fresh water use. One thing that many people don't realize is how little fresh water we have these days, as we are draining underwater lakes and destroying entire ecosystems just to feed cows. Cutting livestock out of the food chain helps a lot of these problems.

Another thing that many people don't realize is that the regulations whether we can sell meat for human consumption are pretty low. In Oregon (where I'm from, originally), it is legal to sell what are called "downer cows". These cows are so sick that they are unable to stand up by themselves. Other animals are mistreated similarly (eg. chickens put in cages so small and close together that they peck each other to death). Dairy is no better. The Veal Industry is a by-product of the Dairy Industry (dairy cows have to keep pumping out calves to produce milk).

Although I find being Vegan to be good because of the animals, I really do it because I feel better and have more energy when I'm not eating meat and dairy. It's a very personal choice that is not for everybody, and I respect that.

I'm a vegetarian because I hate the taste of red meat and because of ethical reasons, but I don't think I could ever give up dairy completely.

Originally posted by Soilent Green
Another thing that many people don't realize is that the regulations whether we can sell meat for human consumption are pretty low. In Oregon (where I'm from, originally), it is legal to sell what are called \"downer cows\". These cows are so sick that they are unable to stand up by themselves.

I find I'm healthier when I'm home in Oregon. And if you've ever had some nice strips of cow heart cooked to perfection.... I love meat. I will say that. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the other delights that come from the natural world, but I'm happy right where I am. I do respect people's opinion to abstain from cooked critter, but as for myself, baste it, barbecue it, and send it on a silver platter!

Tidbit: humans are the only animal to naturally eat tomatoes. Other animals won't eat them unless you feed it to them.

-Amé

When my dog lived with me she ate what I eat which was vegan and I would also pay lots of cash for vegetarian dog food so she got every thing she needed in regards to vitamins etc. She was real happy and totally healthy. She ate anything to do with vegetables. Now as a result she steals things from the garden. The person who has her now could not understand where all their strawberries were going until they saw her eating them, ha ha ha, that just cracked me up. They feed her meat but still she goes in search of goodness from the garden. I really do miss my dog, she rules.

Peace Sensi.

i think that the whole food industry could do better with how they produce and treat all things edible. when i was veg it was because of all the chemicals and stuff put in meats. but i always thought if i were ever man enough to hunt down a deer or wild boar and kill it with my bare hands i more than deserved to eat the $#!% out of it.

these days i just make sure i bless my food, whatever it is.

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Damn Vegans
:runlikehell:

PS: This is not a pointless comment, as it indicates whether I am a veggie or not, which is the question in the title

Originally posted by Truthbearer
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Originally posted by shel
i think that the whole food industry could do better with how they produce and treat all things edible. when i was veg it was because of all the chemicals and stuff put in meats. but i always thought if i were ever man enough to hunt down a deer or wild boar and kill it with my bare hands i more than deserved to eat the $#!% out of it.

these days i just make sure i bless my food, whatever it is.

I always thought they put all kinds of chemicals and pesticides in vegetables when growing them, so that ants don't eat them. But never heard that they put chemicals in meat too (at least not in Finland - never know about those dumb Americans).

I'm a vegetarian myself and have been for 5 years. I'm not so naive to think that being vegetarian will stop animals being killed. If you're against something in principle, you don't take part in it. Simple as that.

Maddox kicks ass by the way.

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i think that the whole food industry could do better with how they produce and treat all things edible. when i was veg it was because of all the chemicals and stuff put in meats. but i always thought if i were ever man enough to hunt down a deer or wild boar and kill it with my bare hands i more than deserved to eat the $#!% out of it.

these days i just make sure i bless my food, whatever it is.

I always thought they put all kinds of chemicals and pesticides in vegetables when growing them, so that ants don't eat them. But never heard that they put chemicals in meat too (at least not in Finland - never know about those dumb Americans).[/b]

they put steroids and shit in them and make them eat power food with chemicals and shit stuff to make the muscles/meat grow.

Awaken wrote a topic called ‘KFC - seventh level of hell’. I was going to link it but it got pretty intense and it was locked so I choose not to link if but if you would like to read it feel free to find it.

Also I was going to list other websites to learn about animal cruelty etc but fuck I actually do not care. People can do what makes them feel good and I will do what makes me feel good. Not eating meat makes me feel good so that is what I do. Like i said in my first post each to their own.

Just to point out that in this thread and the KFC thread no one that is vegan or vege has been imposing their beliefs on any one else. Why is it that people get so angry at different ways of living? I don't care what the fuck anyone else eats so why would some one care what vegans or vegetarians eat.

Maddox - well yes some times he can be funny but just reading a whole lot of hatred being spewed out can become tiresome. He did make me laugh a few times and this line is priceless as it is actually one of my goals for many reasons and not just because I want to live off the land.

"The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical?"

CT – yes you are correct, they are feed all kinds of hormones etc so they grow at an abnormal rate, ‘About 100,000 die each day before slaughter because of the strains placed on their young bodies”.

Peace Sensi.

Originally posted by CT
they put steroids and shit in them and make them eat power food with chemicals and shit stuff to make the muscles/meat grow.

I don't want to argue, but you shouldn't generalize. At least in Finland they use very little steroids or other artificial means to boost growth. Maybe that's why most people here are somewhat afraid of foreign food.