Thread: Have you ever thought about life, not just life but LIFE

Yeah, I thought about this.
Alot of people find comfort in an afterlife, but kinda stop there. And yeah, what is everything?
Something I recently learned is, to realise what is more real... The past, now, or the future?
Dont regret the past, since it'll make you sad while you could be content with what you have now, and dont worry about the future, because what you got now is great, right?

Driving home at night, what a time to contemplate the cosmos
That's pretty deep stuff. The first time I remember trying to envision eternity was when I was maybe 7 or 8 years old. I was at my grandparents' house lying in bed, and I started thinking about it. I got this really weird but very short-lived feeling. Weirdest thing I've ever felt. It felt like my mind separating from my body and start making infinite copies of itself, or something It felt like the infinite mirror tunnel effect. But only for a second. It happened right as I tried to envision what it would feel like to never stop existing, to live throughout eternity. I've gotten the feeling many times after that too.

It's sad that you'd think of eternity as being alone without friends or family. I'd rather see it as an opportunity to fulfill every wildest desire and be at peace with everyone you hold dear. Rather than a cold emptiness, perhaps it's that feeling on mushrooms (if you've never taken mushrooms, it's the most connected, intimate feeling ever). Perhaps it's that feeling of every good emotion mixed all into one, where you are one with the energies of the Universe, and there is no need to wait for anything - you can have it all *right now*. I like the theory on Waking Life, from the woman on TV saying that perhaps death is wrapped in a dream. Perhaps when we realize we're in that dream state, is when we become lucid and remember that we're dead, and after that we control whatever happens, perhaps being able to 'advance' to another level of consciousness. Who knows, but I like to look at life as a temporary moment to gather in all the sights and sounds, and to gain coherence, so that we may understand what happens next. Perhaps those who do not make it to a certain point are destined to return to earth in another life, and only when they have sufficiently learned what life entails, may move up to the next level.

Sorry I'm rambling, weird, I've never thought about that before, that came out of nowhere Did I channel that from somewhere? Ah fuck I'll stop Food for thought I suppose

Just remember that no matter what position you're in, you're never the only one who's had to face the feeling. You're never alone. Enjoy life, do what feels good Go for the ride. Spiral out.

Peace

I think about that all the time. Glad to know I'm not alone.

not life, but LIFE. Let's talk about LIFE.

well yeah its like you never chose who you would become because you werent anybody when you were created. Its like anything you do now, theres a forever ahead, and you cant stop that, but well anybody who has you on record like pictures or data on you can look back at you... there is no privacy. Or they can dig up your bones and tell everything about you... thats why i need to become Uber famous and people will look back and say: wow what a Uber awesome person. Or not... i should just die right now. wait no. Ill do something fun and die a natural (or non-self-inflicted death). Its like i dont wanna be just like everybody, like grow up, get a job, and then retire and die, i wanna do something more. I wanna create something, be of good use... like inventing.... or something... well i dunno its like ive got a whole life ahead of me and i can do anything i want and nobody can get me in trouble. Of course i wont do anything that will affect other peoples normal-being like murder, but well yeah ill like build a freaky house thats like no other, ill maybe make it on the moon, and ill live in almost zero grav but be isolated from everybody but still.. (inventing, inventing) while everybody else just is just a slave to society and... oh god im probably boring you...


What the funk i think about this alot too. you are not alone... THE TRUTH IS OUT THAR

p00p, put down the crack pipe

Originally posted by Awaken
p00p, put down the crack pipe

what? why must you be invoving a crack pipe when i am !))% not for drugs cause they stink

im what you call "naturally high" f drugs im just high on LIFE itself

Fuk drugs

I have been getting that feeling too often recently. That is part of what I couldn't deal with in these past few days. I have just had too many thoughts and emotions that are so intense that they involve body, mind and soul. And they hurt...in every single aspect of the word. You feel your whole existance hurting and you feel more alive than ever, and at the same time I know I am not. It's really hard to describe but I think I do know what you mean. It's funny how many times I have gotten this feeling yet I still keep on digging up truths and philosophising till I get it again, and I feel completely drained once it's over. One would think I would know better now...

I know exactly how you feel about that Awaken. I also do not like to think that I'll never see my friends and family again, i hope it's really not like that. We'll be able to understand why, but that is when the time comes. This is all a Journey and everyone we meet in this journey will meet again but in a different state of mind?

I tried mushroom's once, it was a pretty amazing experience. I was definitely on an abnormal wavelength. At one point I became really happy and started telling everyone I know what it feels like to be in heaven. I told them I also know how it feels to be stuck in the now. I had no perception of past or future, it was all deleted and my feelings toward friends, family, and in general, everything I care about was now completely different. I just kept saying thanks to everyone I know who wasn't there with me. It was a pretty amazing experience. I don't know if you know where I'm going at, but yeah. out of gas.

YES YES YES I always thought about this loads of times and i felt that i woz the only one who ever thought about it. i'm glad i know im not alone! i know how it feels!

Originally posted by Chiron
I tried mushroom's once, it was a pretty amazing experience. I was definitely on an abnormal wavelength. At one point I became really happy and started telling everyone I know what it feels like to be in heaven. I told them I also know how it feels to be stuck in the now. I had no perception of past or future, it was all deleted and my feelings toward friends, family, and in general, everything I care about was now completely different. I just kept saying thanks to everyone I know who wasn't there with me. It was a pretty amazing experience. I don't know if you know where I'm going at, but yeah. out of gas.

Other than telling people what it's like to be in heaven, I had much the same experience. Stuck in the now, the feeling of being on a different frequency, the complete disregard for past and future, it's all exactly how you described. When I did it, I was by myself chilling on my bed watching South Park on the computer. The show took on a completely different meaning. Somehow I just know those guys understand the mushroom trip really really well, because watching it before the shrooms, and watching it after were two completely different experiences. Anyway, after that I shut the computer off, laid down and closed my eyes. I started having some vague hallucinations, and began to envision myself coming into a giant golden dome from underneath, much like the top of a cathedral. I felt a warmth engulf my entire body, and then all bodily sensations disappeared. No legs, arms, body or head, just mind. I began weeping at the indescribable beauty of the whole thing. I never wanted to return to my physical reality! When I did, however, I was in awe, and gave thanks to the cosmos for the brief but powerful experience.


Truthbearer, I know what you mean about philosophising and the endless search for truth. Would you ever consider trying mushrooms? It may help you look at things in a different way...I don't necessarily want to encourage drug use by someone who's never done drugs, but for me anyway, mushrooms had a profoundly positive effect on how I view the world and its workings. It was almost like being given a schematic for the inner workings of the Universe. It helped me understand why some things happen the way they do, and really humbled me in certain respects. It's hard to dig much deeper without understanding what exactly is troubling you so much. If you wanna have a PM chat I'm more than open to that. I don't want to see a fellow brother in pain over something that may just need some empathy to help I say that because I can relate to the endless search for truth, and a pained soul. If you need some chill-out or rant time, PM me

p00p, *I* think you're in denial!

Originally posted by Awaken
p00p, *I* think you're in denial!

You callin me a stoner??? Never touched drugs, and never will. They suck and they fuck up my friends. god...

Originally posted by pOOp+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pOOp)</div>

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p00p, *I* think you're in denial!

You callin me a stoner??? Never touched drugs, and never will. They suck and they fuck up my friends. god...[/b]

Not that I'm telling people to do drugs, but experimenting with care and caution may be a whole different story.

well shite! i thought i was the only one thinking about this stuff..

man.. eternity's a big topic. lol.. anyway.. but yeah i was thinking the other day,, (i'm a christian right) so i believe in heaven, and the whole living forever thing. and.. man.. after a while that shit is gonna get BORING! like, think about it.. in. say 6 trillion years.. we'll all be sittin' around... being like.. well shit.. we've done everything possible to do.

and one other thing about "eternity in general" if you had two parallel lines.. and you followed them for eternity, would they eventually cross? cause.. i mean, by definition they can't. but eventually they have to, right? meh. yeah.. i actually really don't know where i'm going with this.. lol

but it's nice to know i'm not alone in thinking about it.

Originally posted by Chiron
but experimenting with care and caution may be a whole different story.

HERES a whole different story:

Jimmy is an innocent kid walking home through a dark alley. Then Jaime asks him if he wants a cigarette. "No thank you" says jimmy. Jaime replies, " Aw, c'mon! Just ONE lil cigarette aint gonna hurt ya! Hey, lookee me! Ive smoked about 3 packs today and im fine.!" Jimmy gives in. Jimmy and Jaime become friends. Jimmy, goes on and becomes a habitual smoker. Fast forward 30 years, jimmy has lung cancer, and a bunch of other stuff, and is bedridden in the hospital. The doctors estimate that he is going to die in less than two weeks. Jaime comes to visit his friend, jimmy. "Hey, jimmy!" shouts jaime. "Hey..." says jimmy. Jaime says, "Hey, ive got a coupla cigarettes in my pack here. Want one?" "Sure" accepts jimmy. Jimmy takes his friends cigarette, and lights it up. After a few puffs, he dies.

Now that may be an unlikely scenario, but think about this:

Which cigarette killed him: His last one or his first one?

Neither. His lack of will and foresight killed him.

Originally posted by Awaken+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Awaken)</div>

Neither. His lack of will and foresight killed him.[/b]

Exactly. Well it was the first one... but unknowing that that first one might manipulate him killed him, but thats basically what you said.

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but experimenting with care and caution may be a whole different story.

"experimenting". Hrm. Sounds harmless, but think about it. Thats what happens with 10 year olds who experiment with jacking off. Im not telling you to not do drugs, im just telling you why I dont.

Originally posted by tryagain
not life, but LIFE. *Let's talk about LIFE.

Reminds me of the board game...

p00p I'm glad you've chosen not to use drugs. I used to be a really hardcore pothead but these days it's just on occasion. I'd rather have dreams, decent lung capacity, and the will to stay away from doritos and chocolate for more than 2 days.

We are here forever, conscious or not. There is no end, existense is eternal. What are we going to do to keep us occupied for ever? Think about that, it may take a few minutes of hard thinking, but you will know once you got the right thought once your chest hurts.

Why does driving home at night bring about these thoughts, and why do they hurt so much?

In all of life's beauty, i pray for immortality, a happy afterlife.

Yeah it's scary to think that there's just *nothing* after death. I think the hope for an afterlife is what keeps a lot of people sane. And there's at least a little bit of evidence of something after death, however trivial (NDE's, OBE's, AP). I'll hold onto hope for that

The afterlife has been a burdening topic, I look back at the absurdity of how it's usually perceived by people, including me.

I actually find comfort in both the possibility of definite afterlife or no afterlife. With an afterlife, well...we go on, right? If we have no afterlife, if this is all we got, it would motivate me to value this life all the more, and to think that I can go tomorrow or tonight, I'd realize a newfound respect for life. The scarcity of oppurtunities would force us to focus off the material, and value the sentimental or virtues. And I mean really value life, not by my own will, but as a result of discovering a truth, life here is short. But, of course, it's not that easy to realize this, I would need to have a near-death experience to apply it to my life or something. Or a really really good dream..

You remember what happened during unconscious moments in sleep that didn't include dreams? Well, I sure can't. And my brain was alive and well during that time. It then kinda helped me clue in that there may be no afterlife, especially in the way I thought it was. No mind, no experience, at least not mentally. Our brains will die in the way we know it. But I strongly believe something of us goes on in the long run. About no experiencing...if there's nothing to worry about, if there's nothing to experience after death...of course, I embrace experience until then, embrace it just for now, which is all I got.

I'm in the same boat as philosophers, especially depressed ones. But then, I thought I should just give up philosophy, give up my search for truth, because intellectually, am I really gonna find truth? I found that there's something about the path of the intellect that just can't absorb what's really true. It can only absorb ideas about things on the outside, instead. I find it more beneficial to search for meaning in life, or enjoyment. I stopped fighting religions, because I thought it was a stupid stupid fight. Maybe the truth thing is for me at a later time in this life. Ultimately, I will not mentally understand truth, and I am convinced with this. Because again, I only know ideas. Truth is not what I say it is, or think it is. Truth's only requirement is to be what it is. And I can trust in that.

Well aside from becoming depressed from philosophy, it does have its positive points. For instance, you stopped fighting over religion. I've come to that conclusion as well, that there's no purpose in fighting over that which we cannot concretely prove. It's also given me a new wonder about life, and a new sense of enjoyment towards it. It's not necessarily that I'd be going out and doing things I otherwise wouldn't have done, but that which I DO take part in, I have a new appreciation for. I dunno about you, but I've basically just let go of most of my hate and fear - I no longer live wondering when I'm going to die. I used to, and it bothered me. I also don't hold grudges over trivial things - the guy in front of me on the road, who takes a few seconds extra when the light turns green, I give him a polite honk and we're on our way. No biggie. And if I'm ever in a crash where it's not my fault, I'm not gonna lay the guilt trip, I'm gonna ask if everyone in the other vehicle is OK first and foremost - provided I'm not dead

Basically, rather than turning out to be depressing, philosophy has made me appreciate the little things in life, and let go of the grudges. It's kind of like being a kid again, and it's great I hope it's done the same for you as well.

Originally posted by pOOp+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pOOp)</div>

Originally posted by Awaken@
Neither. His lack of will and foresight killed him.

Exactly. Well it was the first one... but unknowing that that first one might manipulate him killed him, but thats basically what you said.

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but experimenting with care and caution may be a whole different story.

\"experimenting\". Hrm. Sounds harmless, but think about it. Thats what happens with 10 year olds who experiment with jacking off. Im not telling you to not do drugs, im just telling you why I dont.[/b]

hehe, It's cool that you don't do drugs, I used to be the same way. I was just saying experiment with care and caution, which is what you are doing. None of us want to end up like Jimmy boy...