Thread: Dreaming Our Way to 2012

That sounds awesome. Cool.

Hey Rakkantekimusouka

Sorry. lol! My post was uh in-progress, when you replied

Nick

All the skeptics here are probably thristing for your blood.

Aren't you king of the DVs skeptic nation, K?

Well, even though I often weigh in on the side of Kaniaz's skeptic horde, I don't know how to feel about 2012. I had a vision years ago (when I was in the habit of having visions) that I would die sometime in the 2011-2016 timeframe, amidst some kind of social upheaval, but the scale of this upheaval and the nature of my death seemed very unfixed. Since then, I've found the gist of this vision corroborated by various sources, from Robert Heinlein to the neo-Mayans, but that could as easily indicate a fiction entrenched in the collective unconscious as an actual approaching event. In any case, I'll be paying attention for the next decade.

Originally posted by Taosaur
Aren't you king of the DVs skeptic nation, K?

If I get lots of money, yes.

Originally posted by Kanniaz
All the skeptics here are probably thristing for your blood.

Hey Kanniaz! That's cool. I guess I'll just have to deal with that. No one knows my home address (I hope )

I'm not sure if I'm saying anything that should especially worry the skeptics. First of all, I don't think that the future is necessarily pre-determined. I'm saying that in dreams, we can venture forward to possible future manifestations of our life path, and bring back guidance from what we experience...

Matter into Feeling by F. A. Wolf, Ph.D:

“The dream experiences of Australian Aboriginal people indicate that the needed characteristic arises, is first born, in dreams. Each creature dreams of the possibility for the next evolution, so that, for example, the fish dreams of the amphibian and the amphibian dreams of the bird, and so on. That is, we first dream in order to become aware of our future possibilities --- the new ways that each one of us may exist. And the ability to sense oneself as something new or altered seems to be vital for survival, for altering the genetic code.”[/b]

I think there is alot of immediate skepticism around 2012, and I think that's fair enough, given that there are all kinds of exaggerated predictions and "prophecies" for 2012. No, I don't believe 2012, represents the end of the world, or the apocalypse. The Mayan calendar which determines the 2012 "end-date" is contained of cycles within cycles within cycles, all spinning and whirring together.. And so in Mayan belief, 2012 is not really just an end-date but also the beginning of a new cycle

Here's a good (and colourful link), which explains the astrological alignments the date is fixed upon:
http://www.13moon.com/prophecy%20page.htm

However, for those who are interested in some very good academic writing on the topic, I think John Major Jenkins book "Maya Cosmogenesis 2012" would be the way to go..
http://www.alignment2012.com/

Through dreams, I believe we can learn more about the significance of 2012... After billions of years of our planet evolving, from the geosphere (inanimate matter), to the biosphere (biological life), it's my belief that what is now gradually emerging is the awakening of our planetary consciousness, the "Noosphere", the unified mental envelope of our Earth. The birth of a dreaming culture, is central to that process.

By sharing our conscious dreams, we can begin to understand the potential of the mind, and explore those higher states of consciousness. The first step, is to start bringing the raw energy of the dreamtime, into the here and now. This is very much the basis of the Dream of Peace Network, bringing "dreams" into concrete manifestation...

Nick

I should say welcome now anyway, it is nice to have people from ld4all, sealife and whatnot on Dreamviews as well. A good mix never hurt anybody.

Lol. Kanniaz!

Yes it is good to see you again!



Thanks for the greeting!

Nick

Originally posted by Taosaur
Well, even though I often weigh in on the side of Kaniaz's skeptic horde, I don't know how to feel about 2012. I had a vision years ago (when I was in the habit of having visions) that I would die sometime in the 2011-2016 timeframe, amidst some kind of social upheaval, but the scale of this upheaval and the nature of my death seemed very unfixed. Since then, I've found the gist of this vision corroborated by various sources, from Robert Heinlein to the neo-Mayans, but that could as easily indicate a fiction entrenched in the collective unconscious as an actual approaching event. In any case, I'll be paying attention for the next decade.

Hey Taosaur. i think i can relate to some of your experiences. However, if it were my dream, iw ould also wonder about the dream symbolism of "death". It may not necessarily, represent the death of the physical body, but death/change in another personal way (a serious life transition, for example).

I have however had some similar visions, and I think one of the things i learnt from those, was about working with fear. Allowing myself to release and let go attachments to visions, which didn't really serve my heart's wishes. I find that idea of the dreams being a "fiction entrenhed in the collective unconscious" very interesting too..

Perhaps, by incubating a dream on 2012, you can return with a vision that you would genuinely like to manifest..

Just some thoughts....

Nick

lol, I wasn't asleep.

My apologies Taosaur. I assumed you had the "vision" in that twilight zone of the night. I guess it gets hard to distinguish between waking and dreaming visions, at times

PS. Who are these "Neo-Mayans"? What do you mean by the term? What are your thoughts on planetary consciousness? Have you heard the term "noosphere" before?

The term is relatively new to me, but as of the last few months I have been participating in daily meditations designed to activate that larger planetary consciousness, both on an internal and external level. I would love to talk about the power of the 13 Moon Natural Time Calendar, in bringing that consciousness to the forefront of our lives, if anyone is interested...?

Nick