Thread: as long as we're talking about astral projection..

I have heard of that book but have not read it.

Robert Bruce is considered the foremost expert on OBE and astral projection. He has written at least two books. One I have, called "Astral Dymanics" and another one "Mastering Astral Projection." The first describes a system for achieving astral projection based on tactual visualization, rather than visual visualization, meaning that you visualize energy flow in your body by touch rather than by sight. The later book I undestand is marketed as a "90-days-to OBE" type book, being more practical than theoretical.

I would start with one of the these two books. I have not pursued the exrcised but have read parts to learn the theoretical basis. I should say that Bruce has been a master astral projector for years and so much of what he describes is based on his first-hand experiences.

One interesting phenomenan that Bruce describes is called "real-time vision". This occurs when you transfer your conciousness into your astral body, but have not projected it outside the physical body, kinda of like getting into your car while it is still in the garage. Now, when you are in this state, you can see your room while your eyes are closed. Technically it is not your room but rather an astral realm copy of your room. I have experienced this many times. I can even see the time on the alarm clock, in this astral plane and then when I wake up I can see that the time is correct. When you are in this state you have complete control of your mental abilities i.e. can think and do math and remeber anything you have in real life. At least for me, I always blackout from this state before I can wake up.

Anyways, just my thoughts on how to get started.

-DM




the astral copy of your room while your physical

Originally posted by mongreloctopus

It seems to me that this would be the place to learn about astral projection, instead of from the thousands of stupid websites with step-by-step instructions for how to commune with the disembodied consciousnesses of devine intergalactic space lizards on the eleventh plane of cosmoplasmic-ethereal existence.

This is the best website on astral projection:

www.jonasridgeway.com

Period.

In your case, RyanParis, you might want to think of using reverse psychology given your tarnished reputation.

That way, if you think something is a good site, just say its a really horrible one and everyone will go there.

Originally posted by Dream-Master
I have heard of that book but have not read it.

Robert Bruce is considered the foremost expert on OBE and astral projection. He has written at least two books. One I have, called "Astral Dymanics" and another one "Mastering Astral Projection." The first describes a system for achieving astral projection based on tactual visualization, rather than visual visualization, meaning that you visualize energy flow in your body by touch rather than by sight. The later book I undestand is marketed as a "90-days-to OBE" type book, being more practical than theoretical.

I would start with one of the these two books. I have not pursued the exrcised but have read parts to learn the theoretical basis. I should say that Bruce has been a master astral projector for years and so much of what he describes is based on his first-hand experiences.

One interesting phenomenan that Bruce describes is called "real-time vision". This occurs when you transfer your conciousness into your astral body, but have not projected it outside the physical body, kinda of like getting into your car while it is still in the garage. Now, when you are in this state, you can see your room while your eyes are closed. Technically it is not your room but rather an astral realm copy of your room. I have experienced this many times. I can even see the time on the alarm clock, in this astral plane and then when I wake up I can see that the time is correct. When you are in this state you have complete control of your mental abilities i.e. can think and do math and remeber anything you have in real life. At least for me, I always blackout from this state before I can wake up.

Anyways, just my thoughts on how to get started.

-DM

Actually Bruce is just the new kid on the block. He wrote a few books, yes, but they are derivative of works done before. yes, he has become part of the New Age industry and goes around collecting money from people who are idiot enough to fork it over. I have found him disingenous to the degree that he perpetuates many common New Age scams, and so he banned me from his site.

Believe the hype and kiss his little minor league ass, or see him what he is and find new friends that are worth knowing.


the astral copy of your room while your physical

leo: what would you suggest is some good literature on astral projection?

Originally posted by mongreloctopus
leo: what would you suggest is some good literature on astral projection?

The 3 Super Authors from the Old days were Sylvan Joseph Muldoon ("Projection of the Astral Body"), Oliver Fox ("Astral Projection") , and Robert Monroe ("Journeys Out of the Body") . And, yes, Robert Bruce ("Astral Dynamics") was a good student, and his recent books represent adequate introductoroy literature.

Sylvan Muldoon was the most scholarly of the old-timers. Oliver Fox the most like myself (clever and insightful). And Robert Monroe the most corrupt and wheeling and dealing of his generation, though Bruce would give him a run for his money nowadays. But Robert Monroe wrote an interesting piece of Fiction that was actually somewhat artistically compelling... "Far Journeys". So far Bruce has been scholarly and usefully derivative but not particularly interesting. With Robert Monroe, although one fully realized that Fiction was being presented as Reality, at least it was interesting and artistic, clever and fascinating. Where Robert Bruce seems more like a geek who placed himself opportunistically into a career slot left open by the passing of 3 old men who did not think to appoint a legitimate heir. Yes, Robert Bruce does the job -- collects the money at those introductory seminars, but certainly he is no intellectual or artistic Giant.

This topic is interesting, but this whole website is related to astral projection. "astral projection" is nothing more than lucid dreaming. If I went to your house and started calling your cat a ballon, you would still know what I am talking about (although, you may think me a little wierd).

Robert Bruce is considered the foremost expert on OBE and astral projection. He has written at least two books. One I have, called "Astral Dymanics" and another one "Mastering Astral Projection." The first describes a system for achieving astral projection based on tactual visualization, rather than visual visualization, meaning that you visualize energy flow in your body by touch rather than by sight. The later book I undestand is marketed as a "90-days-to OBE" type book, being more practical than theoretical.[/b]

I have read Roberty Bruce and all I have to say is that he is a certifiable nut case. He is a self proclaimed "Mystic" and believes all the garbage about their being 7 astral planes with 7 interor planes with negative entities trying to steal you soul, blah, blah. What these idiots fail to realize is that they are actually in their subconscious mind so if they think of a monster, they Create a monster.

Many authors in this area are starting to realize the fact that we are dealing with the SAME phenomenon. Read Method 3 and 3 here:
http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dre...experiences.htm

An astral projection is characterized as the following: Hearing exit sounds, sleep paralysis, moldable environment, etc. Sound Familiar? What do you know, it sounds exactly like a WILD. Thats because it is.

just some thoughts,
luke