Thread: Salvia divinorum for LD and OBE's??

Originally posted by Annorax
has anyone used Salvia divinorum extract (either smoking it or drinking it as tea) for LD's and OBE's? Reason I ask is becuase I used it once and it didn't really work. I was trying to get an OBE, and I felt like I was almost coming out, but I would get to the 'threshold' each time and never actually able to leave my body.

if there are any guys that tried it, did you get a huge hard on after using the substance?
That was certianly a sideeffect I didn't expect.

Does anyone use NOVA dreamer? Or is it still out of stock?

thanks

PS: Don't do threads on Drugs!! It gets the mods very angry!

salvia is not a drug, it's a plant. i haven't had the opportunity to try salvia yet, but from what i've heard, the effects are mind-blowing even to those experienced with all kinds of strange psychic phenomona. i've heard it depends pretty heavily on the extract strength, and that if it's below 6x there's no real point...but again, this is all just hearsay.

Nesgirl, no offense, but he isn't soliciting he merely asked a question. If YOU, personally don't want to talk about or read about 'drugs' then you don't have to but don't force your views down other people's throats. Although, I'm sure that you use 'drugs' on a daily basis and dont even know it. Societal rules, mainly taxes, among other things have dictated that certain things are OK, and those, I'm sure you overlook without so much as thinking twice... but I won't get into that discussion. The point is, if you dont want to read about it, dont read it.


Back on topic...Did you check out this site?

http://www.iamshaman.com/

ive used salvia, and its stupid..its a legal "Drug" that wont show up on piss test, and u get them at head shops...the first time i tried it, i took a big hit out of a bong, and blacked the fuck out..all i could hear was my friend telling me to stay calm and breath....i never tried it again after i came too--after about 30 seconds...

and its expensive--60 dollars for a little glass bottle...

ok, first of all you need to smoke salvia right. get at least 5x extract. use a bong. keep the flame on the salvia until it is all burned away. inhale all of it in one big hit. hold it in for as long as you can.

if you still have a bad trip...well, too bad.

its completely legal nesgirl, so i fail to see how its fundamentally any different than using B6, calea, melatonin, or chocolate to induce lucids....

i've tried it a handful of times (6x and 10x extract), and it can either do nothing, or blow you mind...

my most intense experience was actually somewhat similar to a lucid in alot of ways. i was certainly in a whole other dimension..and the physiological effects are somewhat similar to sleep paralysis, only intensified 20-30 times. seriously... the most intense physical sensations i've ever experienced.

brief rundown. smoked a bowl in a glass water bong, held it in as long as possible. felt a bizarre buzzing in my legs (it felt as if they were composed of tiny jagged metal spheres-not like metal spheres where cutting my legs, but as if my legs were MADE of jagged metal spheres at the molecular level-).

i 'arrived' at a cosmic gathering where my 'family' was waiting for me to arrive (this is the part that felt much like a lucid now that i look back, although i hadn't had any at the time). the feeling in my legs was the most intense sensation i've ever felt, and i got the impression it would only stop if i sat crosslegged at my spot in the circle. i tried to resist, as everything was happening so fast, and i felt i was being forced and manipulated by an entity more powerful than any i'd ever experienced. after trying to fight it, i eventually sat in a very specific lotus position, which greatly helped (although my legs still felt wierd).

when i 'came to' in my car, my legs were up in the air, against the roof... and i felt a female presence to my right which was so real i actually lifted my coat which was sitting on that seat to make sure nobody was underneath it.

whereupon i took another hit and the same sensation started at my toes and moved all the way up to the top of my head. when it reached my neck every thought and concept in my mind began to fall into the buzzing void beneath, swirling down a vortex of oblivion. i experienced complete ego dissolution.


salvia is very powerful. the most powerful active plant i have ever experienced. those who say its shit, or they don't feel anything, or they don't 'see things' are those who don't understand "her". she is one of the most powerful and yet fragile substances i have ever encountered.

if one uses her respectfully in a quiet, dark place, lying down or sitting in a comfortable chair, i am certain they could induce a lucid dream.


my friend P tried salvia once. he had an experience where he floated out of his body, and above the roads leading into town. he was with my friend C at C's parents house. P 'left his body" and floated above the road that led into town for miles and miles (he said it looked "the same, but completely different" heh, vague i know, but trippers will understand..). miles down the road he saw C's parents driving back towards their house (where he and C were physically). he came to shortly after and told C his parents were coming, even though they weren't expected back so soon.

the parents arrived soon after...


actually, writing this has made me want to try salvia again. i am curious as to what will happen with my lucid dreaming experience which i previously lacked....if the vibrations felt like SP but much stronger, perhaps the "dimensions" of lucidity which are able to be reached are that much deeper...

oh, and i had wood after the second ego-dissolution experience. it is interesting to note that an erection is a sign of REM sleep...

in regards to salvia being legal:

US Navy: Salvia Divinorum is now on the list of banned substances for the US Navy. It is not tested for, however, if you are found in possession or using it you will be charged under UCMJ Article 92 "Failure to Obey Order or Regulation". Unconfirmed. The Navy Awareness Training on Salvia Divinorum, Feb 2004 (orig) states that sailors may be disciplined under SECNAVINST 5300.28C and OPNAVINST 5350.4C as general prohibitions against the "illicit" use of intoxicants. These reportedly do not apply to religious / spiritual use, although we do not know the details of these exemptions.

marines: According to Marine Corps News, the use of Salvia divinorum for "intoxication, excitement, or stupefaction" is prohibited under the same rules as those for the Navy.

Louisiana #
Effective Aug 8, 2005 (signed into law Jun 28, 2005) Louisiana Act No 159 makes 40 plants illegal, including S. divinorum, when intended for human consumption. The law specifically excludes the "possession, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting" of these plants if used "strictly for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes."

Missouri #
On Aug 28, 2005 House Bill 633 was incorporated into 195.017 of Missouri's drug regulation statutes. Thus, Salvia and salvinorin A became Schedule I substances in that state.

New York #
New York is moving to control Salvia divinorum

Australia #
The Australian National Drugs & Poisons Scheduling Committee recommended in November 2001 to have Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A added to Australia's strictest schedule, Schedule 9. The recommendations took effect on June 1, 2002, making dried or prepared S. divinorum illegal to buy, sell, or possess.

While drug laws fall under under state jurisdiction in Australia, most states automatically incorporate changes and additions to federal law into the law of the state. This means that for all practical purposes, S. divinorum should be assumed to be controlled in all of Australia.

It is unclear whether live S. divinorum plants are now illegal as well. According to Shaman Australis, prior to this ruling, there were only three plants that were illegal in Australia: Erythroxylum species that contain cocaine, the opium poppy, and Cannabis. Other plants that contain scheduled substances are not generally considered illegal as long as the active chemicals are not extracted from them and they are not prepared for use (much as in the United States). This is likely now the case with S. divinorum as well.

Australia is the first country to have pass laws against the possession of Salvia divinorum.
Belgium #
Salvinorin-A ("Salvorin A") was added to the list of controlled psychotropic substances on Oct 18, 2004
Canada #
Salvia divinorum is not controlled in Canada
Denmark #
Salvia divinorum (and salvinorin) were added to category B of the controlled substances list on August 23, 2003.
Finland #
In August 2002, Finland passed laws against the importation of Salvia divinorum.
Germany #
Salvia divinorum is not controlled in Germany.
Israel #
"S. divinorum has been sold by small vendors in Israel but low demand caused at least one vendor to stop selling it. The chief pharmacist at the Ministry of Health told one inquirer that it was not illegal to possess but might not be legal to sell because its not an approved drug. Individuals have reported that they have imported S. divinorum into Israel through customs without incident, although additional border taxes may be applied."
Italy #
S. divinorum and salvinorin A were added to the "Tabella 1" (list of prohibited plants and substances) in a Jan 11, 2005 Ministry of Health statement. Salvia is illegal to grow, possess, distribute, etc. This follows a Jun 2004 ordinance making it illegal to sell Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A.
Japan #
Salvia divinorum is sold in head shops in Japan.
Netherlands #
Salvia divinorum is legal to buy, sell and possess in the Netherlands.
Norway #
Salvia divinorum is not specifically controlled in Norway, but the national health council has said it considers it a prescription drug based on its use as a psychoactive drug
Portugal #
Salvia divinorum is not listed in any Portugese law or regularion that we know of.
South Africa #
Salvia divinorum is not controlled in South Africa and legal to possess, sell, and import.
South Korea #
As of January 2005, both Salvia divinorum and Salvinorin A are controlled in S. Korea.
Sweden #
As of March 1, 2006, Salvia divinorum and any product containing salvinorin are illegal to sell or possess
U.K. #
Salvia divinorum is unscheduled in the U.K., making it legal to buy, sell or possess.
http://www.erowid.org for more info on salvia, and other plants, hebs etc etc

According to Marine Corps News, the use of Salvia divinorum for "intoxication, excitement, or stupefaction" is prohibited under the same rules as those for the Navy. [/b]

"stupefaction"?.... they're making three types of intoxication, excitement, or stupefaction illegal?...those crazy wine-swilling bueracrats..

btw if all you were looking for an OBE, my experience has been that salvia isnt the best for it. my friend had an absolute trip once. but other than that it wasnt all that great. there are other ways to acheive OBE...... legal and otherwise

I'd say use 10x or even better 20x extract (preferably standardized). You can achieve nice results using 5x, but you gotta smoke a lot and that stuff kicks in within like 30 sec. Chances are that after 30 sec you wounldnt know what the hell you are doing as the trip will begin..

I had about 10 nice but short trips, all about my fake (or real?) childhood, but I never had anything close to an OBE/ LD . In fact it was extremely hard to fall asleep on days when I smoked it.

You should try smoking a little bit of salvia with weed, it is really intense

I wrote about my latest Salvia trip with my fiance in the Psychadelic Experiences thread in the Extended discussion section of Dreamviews. I don't think I would use it to induce OBEs but, hey you might get good results. It works pretty fast though, so make sure you are prepared because, it hits you hard. Next time I use it I will use the 20 x. Last time, I only used 10 x

I've used Salvia many times and it's a great plant. Some experiences I've had from it have been more intense (and enjoyable) than that of LSD. The intense lauging effect is a bonus too

I'm not sure it would induce OBE's/LD's though, it takes you to a difference 'place'.

Originally posted by Worley


I'm not sure it would induce OBE's/LD's though, it takes you to a difference 'place'.

I agree wholeheartedly on this one. It is unlike anything I have ever imbibed, yet it provides a certain feeling or thrill that is so different. I truly feel as though I am in a different world.

I had hoped to use salvia much the way I intend to use LD for my (pseudo)shamanic and Hermetic work, primarily for inducing visionary experiences. But I found salvia quite uncontrollable and random. It can certainly induce great visions, but not in any directed manner. So I agree about not using it for OBEs, at least for me. Then again, I find the experience so emersive, that my body becomes pretty irrelevant. So, in some ways, I see all my salvia experiences as OBEs. But I have abandoned it for any serious mystical or shamanic work.

3 suggestions:
1. Try a pipe instead of bong. The active chemicals have more time to break down as they travel through the bong, decreasing the effectiveness. I have much better effects with a pipe. Some folk say just use glass pipes, but I don't know the reasoning behind that.
2. Have a sober person with you. People can really get out there while using this, so you can either hurt yourself and or not let yourself go with it when you do it alone. Having someone there not only keeps me safe, but gives me the confidence to just go wherever it takes you.
3. If you really want to use it, but don't have a full breakthrough experience the first time, keep trying it. People often need to "prime" themselves before it really takes off. You might even have to keep smoking it a few times a week for several weeks. If you wonder whether or not you had a full breakthrough, then you didn't.

Salvia is very strange. I've only had it twice and it usually feels like my body is kind of splitting into blocks and I almost forget where I am and what I was doing. Then as I come around, I usually just start laughing at absolutely nothing at all.

I did have a lucid dream the night after I first tried Salvia, although that could've just been luck.

Originally posted by MartinB
Salvia is very strange. *I've only had it twice and it usually feels like my body is kind of splitting into blocks

It feels like that for me, too...I also see things broken up visually, kind of like the world were made up of legos.

I once went to Sesame Street and talked with "the people in my neighborhood". Yeah, Salvia's weird. Anyway...

I don't think anyone mentioned this here yet. The Mayan and Mexican folk who developed this plant would often smoke it or suck on the leaves for a while and then go to SLEEP, hoping to have divinatory dreams - hence, Salvia DIVINORUM, or Diviner's Sage.

Originally posted by Gwendolyn
It feels like that for me, too...I also see things broken up visually, kind of like the world were made up of legos.

I always turn into an inanimate object with strange circles spinning away what is left of me, except for my teeth. My teeth are always what survive and are carried into the realm where the rest of me grows back. Along with this, I always see Sesame Street characters manipulating bizarre metaphysical elements for the purpose of destroying reality. It is so scary, but so exciting and phenomenal.

EDIT: Notice the time I left my post and the time Sasha left his. We have both dealt with Sesame Street on Salvia. And we both left posts about it almost at the same time. Very strange....

Hmmmm...... just found this news article.

Yes, I read that article a while back. The parent's blamed a drug for the suicide of their son because it's easier than finding out and admitting the real reason for their son's suicide.

In the meantime, the people who don't really know anything who happen to be in power seize this opportunity to ban something that is relatively safe, spoiling it for those of us who use the substance responsibly.

The fact that they compare Salvia Divinorum to LSD shows how little they know about Salvia.

Articles like that always make me upset. I'm sure many of you heard of the Japanese youth who died recently because he was playing World or Warcraft for many days straight without sleep or food. So should WoW be outlawed too?

Who gets to decide what drugs should be legal and which should not be (well I guess if they can make a profit from them they become legal more easily... *cough cgouh* cigarettes, alcohol).

To say that this person committed suicide just because of salvia is very close-minded (in my opinion).

Originally posted by atomik
well I guess if they can make a profit from them they become legal more easily

Obviously that's not the only factor, or else marijuana would be legal -- they could make a fortune off that.

i'm quite excited, as i finally received some salvia divinorum today (in fact, i'm sucking on a leaf right now to acclimatize myself to its taste).

when the stars feel right i plan to ingest 30-40 leaves via the quid method (while meditating) and then go to sleep. quite anticipating it

update in the near future...

Originally posted by wombing
when the stars feel right i plan to ingest 30-40 leaves via the quid method (while meditating) and then go to sleep. quite anticipating it

Does ingesting them work? I thought quidding involved keeping moist leaves in your mouth for about a half hour and letting the active chemicals soak into the skin in your mouth. I thought swallowing either the leaves or the salvia destroyed the chemical.

But please do post your results.