Thread: Goku vs. Superman -> Who'd Win?

I'm going to side with Goku on this one, even though I like Superman just as much.

This may seem like a shoddy reason, but Goku has a greater amount of versatility than Superman, and that's all I feel it comes down to. Despite the fact that both of them have nigh-indestructible bodies, are incredibly strong, fast, and have a great deal battle experience, Goku has the upper hand in being able to spike up his strength by changing forms. Can Superman destroy a planet? No. Can Goku? Yes. In dozens of ways. Is Goku immune to a rock that is seemingly well-populated in the universe, despite the only source being the irradiated remains of his home planet? Of course not.

In short, Goku doesn't have an obvious weakness, and even with that advantage, he has a multitude of abilities that Superman doesn't. He could just teleport him to the decaying remains of Krypton, the blast him away with a Kamehameha. What would Superman try?

Well I'd also have to go with Goku.

He's obviously got the upper hand in combat since he can fight a hell of a lot better. But in the end, the only thing that can kill Superman is Kryptonite, so all of the fighting would be pointless.

The whole battle depends on whether Goku can get his hands on some of kryptonite or not. Superman is not as strong, or as powerful as Goku in my opinion though. He may be near indestructable, but so is Goku.

Superman has laser beams and cold breath, big deal. Goku has Kamehamehas and spirit bombs capable of destroying planets.

He can also teleport, which would he could use to go to planet krypton to get some kryptonite.

GAME OVER

Regular Superman would pwn Regular Goku.

1. Superman is essentially INDESTRUCTIBLE... Goku is NOT
2. Superman gains infinite power from the yellow sun... Goku's chi has limited amounts. It's eventually run out and he'd get mad tired.
3. Superman's variety of "weapons"... heat vision, super breath(supercooled and hurricane force), speed, genius level intellect(to come up with ideas to help him win), super-hypnosis... etc.


Infinite Crisis Superman vs. Super Saiyan Goku would be probably one of the coolest battles ever
It would probably be like the Superman v. Doomsday battle in the Death of Superman series. It would last for days with the upper hand shifting constantly until finally SSG would defeat Superman, because of all the depowering that happened after Infinite Crisis.

Also, DD I disagree... Superman could easily destroy a planet, we've just never seen it happen because that's not how my man Kal-El rolls.


Also I really think Goku is overpowered... he's got no real limitations or anything. It's kind of ridiculous.

You ripped off my thread idea asshole. When i find my post on another forum ill explain exactly why Goku rules.

Is that even a question? Goku would win for sure. Of course, he would drag the battle on for 29 episodes just to waste time. But Superman has nothing on Goku.

Instant transmission--kryptonite--instant transmission...game over.

While Superman does have infinite power, it sometimes appears as though as if he does not have infinite strength. What that means, is that he can go on forever, but he has a strength limit. Goku can't go on forever, but he does not have a strength limit.

Superman has however been killed before, without the use of kryptonite, and I'm absolutely positive that Goku would be able to replicate that feat, atleast in super saiyan 2/3/4 form, or fused with Vegeta (Vejito)

In normal forms Goku could probably still defeat Superman, however he'd need a good reason to destroy the sun, before he proceeded.

Well I'm sure it will go down pretty much like this picture. With Goku Bitch Slapping Superman to Kingdom come. While looking pretty in SSJ3 form.



Superman isn’t desctruble especially if you put him next to some grade A Kyrptonite, for a very long time. He also got killed during the obsidian age so I know he’s not immortal

Superman can get infinite power from the sun but Goku can gain infinite power from all living creatures throughout the entire GALAXY.

Goku’s dragon fist against Supermans sissy heat vision. No competition, Goku could also annihalate Supermans heat vision simply with a Kahmehameha blast and if that’s not enough he can crank that blast up

Superman can't get with Goku on heat or cold. Goku faces two magic dragon one with the power of heat and the other with cold. The fire dragons body was hotter than the sun. He even says this. His body is over 6000 degrees and goku fights him in SSJ4 mode without getting toasted. He fights the Ice dragon who freezes him and the entire city solid in seconds. Goku busts out with no damage. Goku has taken a bath in molten lava without a scratch. Goku got frozen solid while in hell by Cell and Frieza .He busts out without a scratch.

And for speed Superman can only move at 99% the speed of light (at least that’s what DC says) Superman doesn’t have a link to the speed force because he’s obviously not Flash. Also a fight in space and Superman might as well hang it up because he requires oxygen a great deal more than Goku. Even within Earth’s atmosphere Superman does NOT move at 99% light speed. He simply can’t control the effect of what his speed would do to the planet while going that fast. Goku’s instant tranmission would leave Superman clueless. Goku’s speed ability is so ridicously fast that to his opponets he looks as if he’s standing still.

The way I see it, Goku would win, no matter what.
Superman literally cannot do anything to him since he can't defend against his attacks.
Why, you ask?

Well, Superman is immune to physical forces but not to mystical ones. Simply put: he isn't immune to magic. And when you think about it, the Dragonball Z characters use Chi or whatnot, which is magical but affects the physical world. Dragons are also magical. So all the "powers" in Dragonball Z are magic.

So basically, Goku is a martial arts obsessed sorcerer. Even regular Goku without any other forms can kill Superman with one or two of whatever preferred blast he choose since when it comes to magic, Superman is as weak to magical attacks as a regular human being is weak to gunfire. Dead in a shot or two.

So technically, even if Superman were to ambush Goku in his sleep and punish him brutally, he'd not accomplish anything considering all the punishment the Dragonball Z characters take in the series. They get beaten so badly, any normal human being would be ripped to shreds completely. As such, Goku would just get up, wipe the dust off himself, yawn a bit and then fling some energy blast as Superman. Gravestone for one, please.

I think superman could hold his own against Goku, but ultimately he lacks the intensity that Goku has. And Superman also lack the fighting skills. He's relied too much on his invulnerability.

As for Goku using kryptonite, I don't think he's bright enough to figure that out on his own without help from Vegeta or something.

I'm not too sure about that one Merlock. As far as I know, chi is indeed a magical force, however the DBZ characters are transforming it into raw energy and using it in different blasts, atleast from my perspective.

Still doesn't matter though. A kamehameha or a final flash attack (like the one Vegeta used on Cell) would instantly destroy Superman.



WARNING: Vegeta screams a lot.

Oh really? Well I don't think Goku is immune to laser vision.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

Oh really? Well I don't think Goku is immune to laser vision.

I think he is. In before MoS.
Goku because of instant transmission and overall insane power. He wouldn't even have to go SSJ4 to do it.

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

I'm going to side with Goku on this one, even though I like Superman just as much.

This may seem like a shoddy reason, but Goku has a greater amount of versatility than Superman, and that's all I feel it comes down to. Despite the fact that both of them have nigh-indestructible bodies, are incredibly strong, fast, and have a great deal battle experience, Goku has the upper hand in being able to spike up his strength by changing forms. Can Superman destroy a planet? No. Can Goku? Yes. In dozens of ways. Is Goku immune to a rock that is seemingly well-populated in the universe, despite the only source being the irradiated remains of his home planet? Of course not.

In short, Goku doesn't have an obvious weakness, and even with that advantage, he has a multitude of abilities that Superman doesn't. He could just teleport him to the decaying remains of Krypton, the blast him away with a Kamehameha. What would Superman try?

Obviously you don't read comics Infinite Crisis Superman could not only destroy planets...he literally...(I'm completely serious)...juggled multiple planets in his hands in one issue. Some of his powers were super intelligence, time travel, flying faster than speed of light, breathe underwater, Super ventriloquism etc...amongst other things. That's why I asked you all to KEEP infinite crisis superman in mind when thinking about these two power houses. Superman is literally indestructible and has NEVER died...ever. And if memory serves correctly...Goku is quite familiar with the death process .

Originally Posted by shroom

You ripped off my thread idea asshole. When i find my post on another forum ill explain exactly why Goku rules.

Yeah you know...because you are the first person to think about this battle . I'm a member of the IMDB forum and frequently visit the dragonball page. The Goku vs. Superman thread (which started months ago) is a debate I partook in. Know your place and piss off...fucking newb.

My vote goes to Goku. Admittedly, though, I'm not familiar with Infinite Crisis Superman. I will offset this handicap though by comparing regular Superman with Super(SaiyaJin)Goku, or at most SuperSaiyaJin2 Goku.

In a sheer battle of the superpowers, I'd say Goku has both the speed and strength to rival (if not best) Superman, and is also a much more skilled martial artist. When it comes to common sense, Goku's not the sharpest tack in the box, but he's a brilliant fighter, and doesn't just rely on his speed and strength alone to win a fight.

I think Goku at, say, SSJ2 level could at least bring Superman to a stalemate, but if you bring techniques like the KaiyoKen and the Spirit Bomb into the picture, it would be hard to imagine Superman coming out of all of it unscathed.

Unfortunately, though, the whole debate is pretty much futile. There is so much arbitrary power/weakness written into both characters to make any sort of objective comparison. A Superman of one era could probably beat a Goku in a certain form, and a Superman of another era would likely lose to a Goku of another form. If we are talking about the original "Man of Steel," that was 'killed' by Doomsday, I don't think he would stand much of a chance against a SuperSaiyaJin (1 or 2) Goku.

Originally Posted by Lucky27

Is that even a question? Goku would win for sure. Of course, he would drag the battle on for 29 episodes just to waste time. But Superman has nothing on Goku.

Instant transmission--kryptonite--instant transmission...game over.

i think someone said that a few posts ago.
I agree, Goku wins....but..
Gokus got limitations too. He's been killed before..not to mention,
doesnt anyone remember when Trunks came back from the future to save Goku's life? They're both aliens, but it all lies down to who's easier to kill and who's more powerful.
Like 50 people have said already,zip-drop-bam-krypton.. superman dead.
hypnosis,laser-laser-laser-laser-tossed into the sun...MIGHT kill goku.
Not to mention Goku can fly waayyy faster then Superman.
Good luck Clark.

P.S..who's gonna help superman if he starts to lose?
lois? lex? those aliens in black tights?
None stand a chance against the z fighters.

I actually don't know that Goku can fly way faster than Superman, unless you're talking about his instant transmission technique - in which case, it's a trick that requires him to zero in on someone else's energy beacon before teleporting. Someone he's aware of has to actually be where he is trying to go, before moving that fast.

Goku doesn't even need to go super sayin.

SPIRIT BOMB!

I also had a major comic book geek tell me he looked into it himself with his own system of comparing 'power levels' from various comicbooks, mangas etc. He said at the most goku would have to go ssj2. He also said that goku could destroy that guy that eats planets in SSJ4.

If goku happened to fuse with vegeta, ssj4 gogeta is basically an unbeatable god.


I think Kurillin could put up a good fight against super man.

You all are playing the Man of Steel like he's weak. Don't any of you know about pre-crisis superman? For god sakes the guy was so powerful they had to scale back his powers in the next series!!! Also dude...Goku can die from viruses and mere diseases (which is evidenced in the android saga) Superman however, never gets sick nor can he contract a sickness of any kind. How many times has Goku died? Too many to count. How many times has superman died? None. There ya go.

Once again, I think it'd be a close battle between pre-crisis superman and ssj 4 goku. I'm NOT saying Superman pwns Goku, not at all. I'm merely trying to balance out this thread full of Goku worshippers

Oh and for the guys that said a spirit bomb would kill Superman...nuh uh. Spirit bomb only wipes out negative energy. Superman is pure good...the damn thing would zip right past him.

Also Goku has LIMITS of energy. Superman's energy is LIMITLESS. He could fight Goku for 1,000 years and never tire while Goku might tire after 1 week of hardcore battling. Sure kryptonite might hurt Superman but depriving Goku of food would have the same result. Also Superman doesn't need to eat soo...

Originally Posted by Jeff777

How many times has Goku died? Too many to count. How many times has superman died? None. There ya go.

Goku has only died twice. (Once when fighting Radditz as regular Goku - when his powerlevel was still rather puny - and again when fighting Cell - a being arguably as powerful as regular Superman if not stronger - while Goku was SSJ1)

Superman has died once (incidentally, by getting his ass beat by Doomsday).

SSJ4 Gogeta could destroy Superman just by looking at him.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

You all are playing the Man of Steel like he's weak. Don't any of you know about pre-crisis superman? For god sakes the guy was so powerful they had to scale back his powers in the next series!!! Also dude...Goku can die from viruses and mere diseases (which is evidenced in the android saga) Superman however, never gets sick nor can he contract a sickness of any kind. How many times has Goku died? Too many to count. How many times has superman died? None. There ya go.

Once again, I think it'd be a close battle between pre-crisis superman and ssj 4 goku. I'm NOT saying Superman pwns Goku, not at all. I'm merely trying to balance out this thread full of Goku worshippers

Oh and for the guys that said a spirit bomb would kill Superman...nuh uh. Spirit bomb only wipes out negative energy. Superman is pure good...the damn thing would zip right past him.

Also Goku has LIMITS of energy. Superman's energy is LIMITLESS. He could fight Goku for 1,000 years and never tire while Goku might tire after 1 week of hardcore battling. Sure kryptonite might hurt Superman but depriving Goku of food would have the same result. Also Superman doesn't need to eat soo...

I don't know about precrisis superman and all that crap. All I know is that the guy in smallville is a pussy.

DBZ is just in a whole other leauge.