Thread: TV fakery

I believe that the government had something to do with or at least knew about the attacks before they happened.

But even I think you're batshit insane for thinking that a million eyewitnesses were paid off to lie about something like that.

Planes did crash into the buildings.

Whether or not there were bombs, I'm not sure. But there were planes.

Yes I am well aware about the 9/11 hoax. My Grade 12 Media class studied 9/11's TV Fakery and analyzed several contradicting flight patterns, sounds associated with the 'plane', and the the 'plane's look in general.
The thing that proved to me that something was terribly wrong with the footage shown on tv were the CLOSE-UP shots that featured a completely gray plane. A United Airlines plane has blue jet engines, a blue tail, and the lower fuselage is entirely blue. The fact that people bought the government's story of a hijacked United Airlines plane is rediculous.
Nice facebook gallery by the way.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

I think you're batshit insane for thinking that a million eyewitnesses were paid off to lie about something like that.

To Elis: May I ask who says there are a million witnesses who saw a plane? Did the mainstream media report a million witnesses, the same mainstream media that I believe aired the faked plane footage to support the military?

To hankwheels: Thank-you very very much for your support to my concerns about the 9/11 TV fakery. Another thing you have to remember is that the mainstream media only aired the footage containing the computer graphic planes. They never aired home videos that people caught that featured no plane at all. Here is just a couple example, including an NBC live shot with no plane:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1eQha4HPY

Please don't say that the plane was behind the buildings, because in the 'plane footage' it is always flying under the North Tower's smoke.

Seven years later and people are still clueless that 9/11 was a false flag operation in order to scare the american citizens about terrorism so they would support the military to engage in long-term wars in the Middle East.
United States wants the Middle East's oil. Period.

Originally Posted by steelerzrockin

To Elis: May I ask who says there are a million witnesses who saw a plane? Did the mainstream media report a million witnesses, the same mainstream media that I believe aired the faked plane footage to support the military?

New York City is really fucking big. Most, if not all of the people were watching the towers.
8,274,527 people, lets say 1/8th of them were outside looking, and not watching TV. There. 1 million people.
Plus tourists... how many hundreds of thousands of tourists are in NYC at any given day? They'd be there too.

I'd be able to understand the logic of "I saw a plane on TV later and heard the explosion and everyone else saw a plane so I must have seen a plane/there must have been a plane"

But this website is just batshit crazy and has more holes then a normal conspiracy website. Let me give examples.

"OMG ITS BLACK" - 2 explanations, the sun is approximately on the other side of the aircraft or the black smoke is casting a shadow on it

"OMG IT'S NOT BLUE" - Alright, if it's not blue why do you jump straight to the conclusion it didn't exist? I mean, last time I checked, gray planes existed too. If you wanna be conspiracy nuts, say that they used different planes then the ones that were hijacked.

"OMG THERES A GLITCH SURROUNDING IT, IT'S FAKE" *head-on-desk* *head-on-desk* *head-on-desk* It's called compression of a photo.

"THE THIRD WING ON THE BACK IS GONE" - I can clearly see that it is pointed towards the picture taker and is simply therefore not visible.

"THE WINGS ARE GOING AWAY" - Explained by compression too. As well as reflection and shadowing. In no way would a computer graphics program EVER act this way.

"IT'S CHANGING APPEARANCE" - It's clearly rotating slightly and thus different parts of it are getting light.

"AT THE MOMENT OF IMPACT THERE WAS BARELY ANY DAMAGE" - what were you expecting? A blast crater? an atomic bomb? It's freaking blunt force on a building. The engines were the things that exploded. not the nose.

"THEY EDITED OUT THE BACKGROUND" - Take a look at that background there... there are WHITE boats you can barely see due to compression. A plane that is a similar shade to the water would not show up at all. They took out the background so people could see. Processing media clips is not a new thing.

"ONE OF THESE SHOWS A HUGE ANGULAR CRASH" - its taken from below

I HATE youtube conspiracy theorists =/

The ones that make valid points though, I don't mind.

To Arby:

Your reasoning to the 'plane' being black is invalid. The 'plane' was black well before it even went under the smoke, if you watch the actual TinaCart1 footage, you will see this. I can't believe you think a United Airlines plane is going to turn COMPLETELY JET BLACK because of a shadow! You are a fool!

And your excuse to why the close-up shots of the 'plane' is gray... you said: "I mean, last time I checked, gray planes existed too." Sorry buddy, United Airlines planes have blue jet engines, blue tails, and the lower fuselage is blue. You mean to tell me the 'hijackers' painted the United Airlines Flight 175 gray before they crashed it? You are a fool!

And your excuse to the editing of the background? You said they took out the background so people could see the plane better?? YOU ARE A FOOL!


Your other excuses aren't worth my time.

You just don't want to accept the fact the mainstream media aired faked plane footage to support the military's plans for wars in the Middle East.

It's just poisoning the well. They come up with these harebrained ideas and all it does is make people think that all theorists are insane and retarded like these people.

Bummer

steelerzrockin, don't waste time on ignorant plane-huggers, they try to discredit everything you say. Better off keeping the evidence to yourself and let the government and mainstream media win.

If the mainstream media all of a sudden came out and said that the footage on 9/11 was tampered with to feature faked planes corresponding with a bomb explosion, the scandal would quickly be understood. But as long as the media continues to censor the truth, people won't know.

Don't expect documentary's 911 Taboo or September Clues to be shown on CNN anytime soon. Great evidence, being purposly ignored by the mainstream media.

P.S. But I do agree, Arby's excuses to discredit your evidence on your site were very pathetic.

Thanks hankwheels, that means a lot. And I know, it is very frustrating arguing with plane-huggers, they are usually extremlely rude and stop at nothing when it comes to name-calling. I think almost everyone is at least a little suspicious of what happened that day, but are afraid to admit it it fears of getting tormented by peope (such as Arby, Elis, and thousands of others).
People that understand that the footage was faked have EVERY right to express their opinion WITHOUT getting harrassed by plane-huggers.
Thank-you.

2 seconds on youtube bring this:



They edited it so that the plane was visible.

Yes, a plane can appear black with the right angle of the sun.

2nd result from google for "airplane"



Learn to read what i'm saying. I said they might have used DIFFERENT PLANES not painted them.

Nice try Arby, but that little 'blur' wasn't even in the right direction as the other 'planes'.
Remember what you said about the 'plane' being under the smoke which made it black? Why isn't your BLUR under the smoke? Fool.

steelerzrockin, here is another live view featuring NO PLANE. Not even the news anchor sees or mentions any kind of plane:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPx8b...eature=related

Loretta, thanks for the video. There were only TWO different 'plane' footages shown 'live' on tv (ABC & WNYW were the two, however, four other networks were playing ABC's exact footage 'live') All other footage with 'planes' were amatueur tapes clearly tampered with.

Arby, the plane that you showed was black because the camera was DIRECTLY UNDER THE SUN you silly sally. Tina Cart's camera was NOT under the sun. Thanks anyway for your once again pointless arguments.

[QUOTE=arby;932148]They edited it so that the plane was invisible.[QUOTE]

I would like to comment on the 'blur' in NBC's footage posted by arby. The plane was made invisible because the perps involved in 9/11's TV fakery realized the flight pattern was wrong, so in a last attempt to cover their tracks, they attempted to erase the 'plane' from the supposably 'live' footage. NOTICE HOW THE NEWS ANCHOR DOESN'T SEE OR MENTION PLANE EITHER??
Later, the entire background was deleted from the footage and the plane was added in an entirely different location.

lorettacalcutt: Thanks for the NY1 footage video, unfortunately, it did not recieve media attention because it would have negatively impacted the 9/11 scandal. Nonetheless, it's authentic live footage, a rarity for 9/11.

Stop calling arby a fool you annoying fucks.

Nothing you say is anywhere near conclusive, and you've dismissed arby because what he said is so much more logical.

Thank God this is already in senseless banter, users have hijacked this non-existent thread.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Stop calling arby a fool you annoying fucks.

But, but... its so amusing =O

And lol, why IS this in senseless anyway? Wait, nevermind.

btw, last thing i'll post here:

heres a picture of a plane at a similar angle to yours. high res and awesome, right?



What happens when we shrink it?



OMFG BLACK

Actually, i may have lied. Tell me that the 4th plane (the one that blew up in a field) proves your argument and i'll have a REALLY fun time refuting it.

I have to say,
after watching those "September Clues" (A - G) on youtube
they're pretty damn convincing

especially the beeps & audio glitches used as a timer
and the graphic masking around the two towers
not to mention the intact nose-cone

Ynot:
Thank-you VERY VERY much for your comment about September Clues. If you have time, 911 Taboo (parts 1-4) are also very terrific in exposing the bastardly faked plane footage the mainstream media aired.
Also, here is an analysis proving the FOX network aired faked plane footage:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2pQ5PWAdrMc

I know if someone I loved were killed in the WTC that day, I wouldn't want their death to be part of a sick SCANDAL that helped the military start wars in Middle East over oil. I would try my damnest to expose those horrible faked planes that corresponded with a bomb explosion.

don't thank me yet
I'm watching all the video composite debunking videos now

Originally Posted by arby

btw, last thing i'll post here:

By all means, Arby, please leave this thread alone. You are trying to convince us that the Tina Cart's charcoal 'plane' footage was authentic by saying when a plane is shrunk it turns black... however... the buildings in the Tina Cart footage were 'shrunk', why didn't they turn black? It seems to me, if by shrinking the footage is what turned the 'plane' black, all the buildings should have turned black as well, including the WTC, as they were 'shrunk' as well.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPx8bs_XWE
Unfortunately to the 9/11 scandal, the perps weren't able to put the computer-animated plane in all the supposably 'live' footage. Here is some authentic live footage and not even the news anchor mentions or sees a plane.

People need to take some time and investigate 9/11 on there own, and STOP taking the damn mainstream media's word for what happened - it was the mainstream media that aired the faked footage and they have been feeding us the government's lies since the beginning.
Watch September Clues/911 Taboo and wake up people!!
GEESH!

I love how the three users coming on here, arguing for their stupid "theory" all haven't posted in months, then they come on together and post at the same time.

Originally Posted by hankwheels

By all means, Arby, please leave this thread alone. You are trying to convince us that the Tina Cart's charcoal 'plane' footage was authentic by saying when a plane is shrunk it turns black... however... the buildings in the Tina Cart footage were 'shrunk', why didn't they turn black? It seems to me, if by shrinking the footage is what turned the 'plane' black, all the buildings should have turned black as well, including the WTC, as they were 'shrunk' as well.

*head on desk*

Something all youtube conspiracy theorists should understand but don't.

^understanding the above will refute 80% of your points immediatly.

Ynot, please, if you're gonna be active in this thread, knock sense into them. I know you understand compression at least =/

Oh, and for your little nose-through-building thing. It's just part of the smoke billowing out from the other side. It becomes very apparent from other angles.

And yes, I said no more but I can't stand blatant stupidity. Your responses make me want to cry for humanity.

PS: I do hope i'm not getting trolled here