Thread: ClouD, Cyclic, DeathCell, really, zeneyes, etc.

I feel unloved

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I feel unloved

Oh yeah I forgot about you. I knew I was missing people, lol.

Can you help me out here...?

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Here's a little video I like.

http://static.videoegg.com/ted/flash...id=/ted/movies

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Here's a little video I like.

http://static.videoegg.com/ted/flash...id=/ted/movies

Oh man.. TED talks are so long...

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20 minutes

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There is something formless yet complete
That existed before heaven and earth.
How still! How empty!
Dependent on nothing, unchanging,
All pervading, unfailing.
One may think of it as the mother of all things under heaven.
I do not know it's name,
But I call it "Meaning."
If I had to give it a name, I should call it "The Great"

Because the eye gazes but can catch no glimpse of it,
It is called elusive.
Because the ear listens but cannot hear it,
It is called rarefied.
Because the hand feels for it but cannot find it,
It is called the infinitesimal...
These are called the shapeless shapes,
Forms without form,
Vague semblences.
Go towards them, and you can see no front;
Go after them, and you see no rear.

~Lao-tzu




Meaning: "Tasting your mind standing on the sun"; "Mind flavor"

The meaning of meaning is meaning...

The meaning of meaning is meaning...

The meaning of meaning is meaning...

There is no certain knowledge.

The point of double speak is nullification.

It doesn't matter whether you don't understand. In the very not understanding, you understand.
You can't not.

Words portray it completely, whatsoever they carry, because they are.
All inclusive to the connotations. They are.

There is no point, the point is already. All inclusive, the words, the 'contradictions', the everything and nothing.

I am not sure if you are grasping it, but 'it doesn't matter'.
It is like saying something doesn't exist. In the very saying of it (even in not saying of it) it exists.

It comes down to nothing really, just the same as what was started with. No progress nor anything. I type loosely and unconcerned.

You may ask 'what is the point'? There may be one, there may not be one.
Saying something 'just is', doesn't cut it any more. It is the difference between saying that there is 'nothing to say', and not saying anything at all.

The point I'm conveying with that universe is that you can't use your brain language centers to describe existence in this state of mind because it is a literal switch from one computer to another. One trains their focus and awareness to control their states of mind and harness both sides of their brain.

Like I said I'm not a dualist, I think it can be explained practically, too, and some people understand it some ways and other people understand it in other ways.

He's asking for a description of his position, not your own.

I think the point is that you all seem to lack an understanding of positions opposed to your own.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

He's asking for a description of his position, not your own.

I think the point is that you all seem to lack an understanding of positions opposed to your own.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the case thus far.

I do not intend to sound pretentious or arrogant, I seriously have doubts that the above cannot point out the concepts I am trying to make.

The above posts only clarify that as they completely neglected to directly answer my question at all!

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Unfortunately, this seems to be the case thus far.

I do not intend to sound pretentious or arrogant, I seriously have doubts that the above cannot point out the concepts I am trying to make.

The above posts only clarify that as they completely neglected to directly answer my question at all!

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I don't think it makes you sound arrogant; I've run into the same problem before. Its usually the one's claiming others "can't understand" that actually have a poor understanding of the opposition's point of view.

You're right I have no idea what poit you're trying to convey.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

You're right I have no idea what poit you're trying to convey.

+ The only thing you can be certain of is subjective knowledge
+ Although everything else in the world is questionable, we can find use out of things through their utility
+ The utility of these things allow us to grow our individual awareness
+ Although we have subjective spurts of self-awareness, we cannot properly express this to anyone
+ Thus, speaking directly of self-enlightenment is impossible
+ Thus, while we cannot truly speak of subjective means, we ought to only speak of those things that offer utility as it propels mutual growth.

There, this is a simple run-through. What do you think..?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

+ The only thing you can be certain of is subjective knowledge
+ Although everything else in the world is questionable, we can find use out of things through their utility
+ The utility of these things allow us to grow our individual awareness
+ Although we have subjective spurts of self-awareness, we cannot properly express this to anyone
+ Thus, speaking directly of self-enlightenment is impossible
+ Thus, while we cannot truly speak of subjective means, we ought to only speak of those things that offer utility as it propels mutual growth.

There, this is a simple run-through. What do you think..?

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This was already outlined many times. There can be use of subjective information, but it is limited. It is facilitating to learn about, but there is no use ignoring the uses of communication altogether, as there is not only more in the big picture, but there are ways around limitations. On the other hand, most of the time it is controversial and thus an avoided topic (concerning deep truths).

Originally Posted by really

This was already outlined many times. There can be use of subjective information,

Exactly my point..

but it is limited.

I assume you mean in the same sense that I do - that it is up to each individual to apply these things of utility for personal growth.

It is facilitating to learn about, but there is no use ignoring the uses of communication altogether, as there is not only more in the big picture, but there are ways around limitations.

Elaborate..?

On the other hand, most of the time it is controversial and thus an avoided topic (concerning deep truths).

Are you referring to something like telepathy...??

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Oh?
Would I say I don't have a position and ignore the contradiction?

The difference between saying there is nothing to say, and saying nothing at all.

My point is that nobody has a point.
All 'views' are as equally truthful as false.

You cannot say anything, and in this exactly, everything that can be said is said.

Ego preaching against ego is like screaming to drown out the noise.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Oh?
Would I say I don't have a position and ignore the contradiction?

The difference between saying there is nothing to say, and saying nothing at all.

My point is that nobody has a point.
All 'views' are as equally truthful as false.

You cannot say anything, and in this exactly, everything that can be said is said.

Ego preaching against ego is like screaming to drown out the noise.

You can come up with all the tautological reasoning you want, but the fact is that you are only doing your best to avoid the question. Further, you have only demonstrated that you fail at grasping others points for the sake of communication.

Case in point; what can prove you wrong? If your reasoning is unfalsifiable, then do not speak to anyone as there is no room for criticism or growth no matter how "divine" the unfalsifiable reasoning is.

And before you say it, divine truth does not equate unfalsifiability. It is just the same as me constantly replying to you that you are just in denial of being wrong about X.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I assume you mean in the same sense that I do - that it is up to each individual to apply these things of utility for personal growth.

Yes, because the limitations of expression may be interpreted relatively, depending on how much research you have done in the field being expressed; e.g. spirituality/psychology.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Elaborate..?

It all comes down to personal awareness and intelligence. Somebody might talk "jibberish" as if mentally retarded, but that doesn't mean he should stop trying to speak, because there may be some people do not hear it as jibberish, and can understand him perfectly.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Are you referring to something like telepathy...??

What suggests this?

"Deep truths", sounds more like a spiritual concern, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by O'nus

And before you say it, divine truth does not equate unfalsifiability. It is just the same as me constantly replying to you that you are just in denial of being wrong about X.

No it isn't, because X is something which can be represented. You do not know what divinity is, if you think it can be represented as X.

Originally Posted by really

Yes, because the limitations of expression may be interpreted relatively, depending on how much research you have done in the field being expressed; e.g. spirituality/psychology.

Alright, so we agree on those limitations..

It all comes down to personal awareness and intelligence. Somebody might talk "jibberish" as if mentally retarded, but that doesn't mean he should stop trying to speak, because there may be some people do not hear it as jibberish, and can understand him perfectly.

True, but once it is established that the person does not understand what they are saying, there is no sense in talking to that person anymore. You could give them time to learn it, or try to teach it, but you cannot speak of it anymore.

So, while you may be saying in jibberish "trick or treat" they will not understand you and you must try and teach them, through analogical teaching, about your language before you get a trick or treat.

What suggests this?

"Deep truths", sounds more like a spiritual concern, doesn't it?

I was just guessing as to what you were referring to.

No it isn't, because X is something which can be represented. You do not know what X is, if you think it equates to divinity.

If it can be represented... what is it you are speaking of? If it is the universal truth you are referring, then there is an unfalsifiable issue, no?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

You can come up with all the tautological reasoning you want, but the fact is that you are only doing your best to avoid the question. Further, you have only demonstrated that you fail at grasping others points for the sake of communication.

Case in point; what can prove you wrong? If your reasoning is unfalsifiable, then do not speak to anyone as there is no room for criticism or growth no matter how "divine" the unfalsifiable reasoning is.

And before you say it, divine truth does not equate unfalsifiability. It is just the same as me constantly replying to you that you are just in denial of being wrong about X.

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There is no reason not to speak to anyone, if I do not reply I feel you may misunderstand me. I also realise though, that whatsoever I say may be misunderstood.

Where's this 'growth' you so often mention?

'Divine truth' is esoteric nonsense, or better put again, it is 'divine truth'.

If you speak only to further your own gain, then maybe you believe you have something.

I don't want to reason with you, nor care for your perspective.

You have misunderstood me constantly, and it is all I deserve.

I am not trying to do anything.
I don't think you will understand, I don't think you do understand.
Does anything I say actually guide anyone? I don't mean for it to any more.

You say I am doing my best to avoid, but I think it is you who is avoiding something. Who am I to even suggest? I won't be ignorant to contradiction, yet here I've typed out this whole post and can type another to point out hypocrisy.

Yes, I don't know. Do you?

Now for elaborating on the possible understanding of your points, again.
There is no certain knowledge.
No experience can be expressed, all experience is unique, there is no other way.
There is no self-transcendence.
Understanding stems from perspective. What I meant before, is that there is no way to misunderstand what I mean. You can interpret what you will, but that very interpretation and misunderstanding (or understanding, or whatever), stems is exactly what I mean.
There is no everything. I am one, there is no other. I am not talking to myself as much as not talking to myself.

Why did you call my name in the thread title? Call me to explain your perspective? The paradox in your initial statements is clear, as well as the hypocrisy in these.

Originally Posted by O'nus

True, but once it is established that the person does not understand what they are saying, there is no sense in talking to that person anymore. You could give them time to learn it, or try to teach it, but you cannot speak of it anymore.

I guess this is a different situation.

Originally Posted by O'nus

If it can be represented... what is it you are speaking of? If it is the universal truth you are referring, then there is an unfalsifiable issue, no?

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The only issue; through ignorance, is that there is no divine, universal Reality and it is usually refuted by regarding the ways in which such a reality is commonly (religiously) expressed/described. What will be revealed is that such a Reality is actually all-encompassing and omnipresent and therefore, everything - even the conceptualizations about itself is included; even ignorance is divine, as it holds greater, unknown purpose. It is the totality of "all that is".

Nothing needs to be said....








Couldn't have said it better myself...

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Nothing needs to be said....







I don't know what I'm talking about...

Fixed

Life is expression. There's o point in expressing anything, but we do it anyways. Life exists before the conclusion. If you only want to have conversations where you can reach some grup consensus, then you're limiting the broadness of possibility.