Thread: Conclusive Theory and Meaning Of Life, seriously :)

Yes... "conclusive theory" is oxymoronic

Unless all you're saying is "I believe in this theory." Then you are concluded in your belief, yet others may still see it as a theory. Why would you believe in a theory, though unless you also believe that there is such a thing as Truth?

I wonder if we ever know or what truly started it? Does it matter?[/b]

You will only KNOW the answer to this if you have belief.

[quote]There is no meaning but that which we give it ourselves

To me, such a statement only has "meaning" in some abstract sense... (If I understand you correctly to be saying that anything could mean anything - which, truly, means nothing ) but there is still no purpose in this "meaning." To me, "meaning" implies purpose and Truth. If there is no Truth, there is no meaning.

Dats what I thunk.

Oh -- and I didn't vote because I have an alternate view: things are increasingly making sense, and I "agree" (in the sense that I am eternal...)

The meaning of life is very dependent on belief/religion.

Common for the most religions I have heard of, is that the meaning of life is to act in the current life in a way that give you a better life after death.
(Reincarnation to a better life, Heaven , Nirvana )...
It may be difficult to choose belief, since there are so many...

It is also common in some beliefs that you have to act in a way that you don't get punished after death.
I really hope that punishment after death isn't true.
It is very difficult to make a conclusion if punishment after death exists or not.
For instance, reading the Bible could do it very difficult to decide if it is true or not. It seems some places that the punishment is being unconscious, and other places a eternal punishment in a "fire".
I am really not sure about what I shall believe about that, but I don't think God will punish humans.
He want us the best...

Thankyou, I appreciate your viewpoints. However, i'm not sure i'm very good at explaining what I mean. I'm going to try vaguely again, addressing points in your posts, if that's ok.
Since energy is what sort of compressed and created and affected matter, that is what it all comes down to. All matter boils down to energy, and so there is no element of truth, but it does exist amongst living matter. I.e humans can tell the truth about things to one another etc.
Also, what i'm trying to get out is that yes, all religions may very well be true, there may be a heavenly/hellish afterlife, but it's still only a sort of way to pass the time, all energy is equal and can all affect and create matter. The gods/demons/whatevers are just like us, in a different form and role. So, perhaps where you go depends on where you believe and if some energy has actually taken up the post of creating whatever you believe, so, like in Terry Pratchett's Discworld I guess, you go where you think. If you believe in heaven then you may very well go to the plane created by some energy you as a human believe to be your god. To the human that you are, it is your god. I'm not doubting that at all. All i'm trying to get at is that, argh, I can't find words, but it's sort of like a temporary thing, temporary can be billions and billions of years, but still temporary So, the meanings of life are correct, possibly, but this meaning is I guess not the meaning of life, but a general thing explaining life and stuff, sort of.
Gah, I give up, I can't explain what i'm trying to say no matter how much I waffle. Sorry for wasting your time, I'm still going to post this in the hope that it might help.
BE HAPPY! I love you all! (i'm feeling very happy today)
Zoe

Originally posted by Lifechild
So, perhaps where you go depends on where you believe

I was reading on a norwegian forum some months ago, and there it was a person who said that if you think you will be sent to a bad place after death, you will...

Anyway, if this is reality; the best thing we could do is to believe we will come in Heaven after death.
(I think it is possible to "manipulate" your self to believe in something, if you really want to.)
I think some have become religious this way, only by a wish to believe in something.
(And then your unconsciousness is helping you to believe).

Do anyone understand what I mean?

I understand what you mean, but i'm trying to think bigger. Sort of like, if the energy that creates things is equal to us, and we are only playing a human part for now for something to do, and we may continue in our role and go somewhere else afterwards, well, after that, what then? Perhaps we can create our own places and get other energies to populate it, I mean, we have the whole of eternity right? It's not like we are going to run out of time to do it. I
Incidently, I think i'm going to come as a cat next lifetime. (I believe in reincarnation). That was a little random, but I just think cats have a great life. My best friend is a cat, and she rules! What a fun role to play, being a cat!

Zoe

Originally posted by Lifechild
I think i'm going to come as a cat next lifetime. (I believe in reincarnation). That was a little random, but I just think cats have a great life. My best friend is a cat, and she rules! What a fun role to play, being a cat!

Yes, I think it is a misconception that it is better to be a human than a animal.
Animals have for instance much less worries than humans.
Animals have a better possibility to take each new day is it comes, and don't have to make plans for the next day.

So I agree with that; being a animal could be very relaxing.

it's all relative to you and your belief structure. but you'll never KNOW the answer... no matter what your belief is... you can only assume it. and i don't like assumption... frankly i'm pissed at most orthodox beliefs for assuming so much on so little.

i think the meaning of life is life itself. just live and do what you must to be happy. i'm not saying your happiness won't conflict with the ideals of others, i'm just saying live life. take it as it comes.

the answer for a conclusive theory is... i don't know. and i'm not about to assume.

I think there is definitely something eternal about human life, a soul, a consciousness, a spirit. There is the tremendous feeling that something will last forever. Maybe the Human brain allows your soul to have memories or something or maybe it's merely an interface with your body.

I simply don't know, so I'll live my life here as well as I can, and experience life while I can.

I figure that's exactly the right attitude to have, live life and be happy.
Thankyou all for reading my post.

Because I am human, I have emotions, care about things, and see the appearance of meaning in life. However, from a purely intellectual standpoint, I think we are just tiny stuff growing on a spec of dust that is floating around in infinite space. Earth will be dead in what to the universe's time is "soon", and the end will be so insignificant to the universe that it will be as though we were never even here. Point your elbow and wave it at the wall. That is the meaning of life. Nothing matters, therefore all behavior is absurd. Life on Earth is just a theater of the absurd play. I love sea food. Go Ole Miss!

Teehee Universal Mind, yes, pointing your elbow at the wall is just as good a meaning of life as any, if you find it an enjoyable thing to do.

Why do we need a meaning? I think thats the problem with humans, we try to explain everything. Something as big as life should not need a meaning outside of the word itself. We need to understand that there are going to be things in this world and in others that we can not explain or quantify. I think thats the wall mankind is facing right now. If we live our lives expecting answers and solutions, you narrow your minds abilities to take in. I also feel that earth is insignificant to the universe, but thats what makes us unique. Imagin that we are the only life out there, that makes everything we do that much better! I think humans came from a long line of evolution and we are a one of a kind design. Because of this, I live my life with a spring in my step and a smile on my face. This life we live is something, but nothing at the same time. Live it how you like, think how you may, its up to you. Beliefs are a wonderful thing to hold, don't let anyone try to stear you away from them. Do I think I have a meaning? Do I have a purpose? All I need to know is that I have myself.

Zoe I really enjoy your understanding. I think I feel the same thing and understand what you're talking about. Basically, whether you're a human, a rock, a tree, or a single-celled organism, you work upon the basic fundamentals of physics. Some humans tend to think of themselves as superior to nature without realizing that they're just as much a part of it, and only equally as important as every other bit of cosmic matter. Humans also operate on the same instincts and feelings as everything else. A tree grows a certain way because it has consciousness and it makes decisions, though not with five senses like a human does, and not with a rational understanding of what it is, or what it's doing. The infinite uniqueness of every aspect of the Universe is created by the Universal Mind (the creative mind humans possess), and it is harnessed and understood in linear, logical form by the rational mind. I think certain aspects of religion are ways of comprehending this phenomenon. For instance, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in my understanding, represent the Universal Mind, the logical mind, and the eternal, non-physical consciousness, respectively. (I think I got that right...)

I also see the Universe as operating without a sense of time or scale. There is no concept of size - consciousness can exist on an infinitely small, or infinitely large scale. There is also no concept of passing time. Whatever feeling exists *NOW* is eternity. We can choose to use our time on earth to fulfill our happiness, or we can waste our lives working hard and getting a measly paycheque which gets exchanged for some temporary happiness in 3-dimensional form.

In the last month or so I've pretty much given up on materialism (aside from communication tools), and I've paid less and less attention to objectivity. This understanding of the inner workings of existence has given me all the excitement and overwhelming bliss that I'll ever need! I'd be totally happy moving to a desolate island with the people I love, as long as my basic needs can be met. For me, true happiness and love come from nowhere else but myself, and those who share my understanding.

This is also why I believe anything we think of is essentially real. When we think of something, it triggers emotions. Emotions are real, period. When we dream we have no concept of passing time, and this is what I believe true eternity is all about. We could exist forever in our dreams and be eternally happy right? Our conscious, rational mind does not allow this. It's meant to put a stop to the subjective state and often inflates the human ego. Authority is a good representation of what the rational mind really is. Control. In reality, the rational mind has absolutely no control over the creative mind. It might be possible to convince oneself otherwise, while awake, but as soon as one goes to sleep, authority is dead

Originally posted by Universal Mind
Because I am human, I have emotions, care about things, and see the appearance of meaning in life. *However, from a purely intellectual standpoint, I think we are just tiny stuff growing on a spec of dust that is floating around in infinite space. *Earth will be dead in what to the universe's time is \"soon\", and the end will be so insignificant to the universe that it will be as though we were never even here. *Point your elbow and wave it at the wall. *That is the meaning of life. *Nothing matters, therefore all behavior is absurd. *Life on Earth is just a theater of the absurd play. *I love sea food. *Go Ole Miss!

universal mind, i was about to post the same thing, i couldnt agree more

i also think that.. well, this is kind of going out of the subject but.. maybe humans aren't supposed to be here on earth, we're the ones who screws it up, if only it were just animals, then maybe the earth wouldnt be destroyed little by little.. has anyone ever thought that maybe we are aliens here? that the first generations of our alien race were the ones who discovered earth and made up all religion etc to have us believe that there is concrete meaning why we're here when the truth is, we've been here for so long that we forgot that we are the real aliens???

just a thought....

Originally posted by vividness

i also think that.. well, this is kind of going out of the subject but.. maybe humans aren't supposed to be here on earth, we're the ones who screws it up, if only it were just animals, then maybe the earth wouldnt be destroyed little by little.. has anyone ever thought that maybe we are aliens here? that the first generations of our alien race were the ones who discovered earth and made up all religion etc to have us believe that there is concrete meaning why we're here when the truth is, we've been here for so long that we forgot that we are the real aliens???

just a thought....

I believe the only difference between humans and the rest of life on earth is that humans have evolved to the point where we possess a logical mind, language, culture, and a physical construct capable of interacting with the world in so many ways. It's our capability which puts us at odds with the rest of existence because it has led people to believe that we're somehow better than everything else; that we need to distinguish ourselves from all other life - and that we have the right to consume the earth's resources at a disgusting rate

We haven't forgotten that we're aliens, but rather we've forgotten that we're not aliens...

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We haven't forgotten that we're aliens, but rather we've forgotten that we're not aliens...

Heh, that's a beautifully put statement that - and sums up this wasteful, polluting human trait so perfectly.