Thread: Incest

Apart from it being socially wrong, it can also lead to babies with genetic disorders, because of the same/similar chromosones.

[EDIT] I don't really think much of it to be honest, people can do what they want. Its just the genetic disorders to worry about.

Originally Posted by NeAvO

Apart from it being socially wrong, it can also lead to babies with genetic disorders, because of the same/similar chromosones.

[EDIT] I don't really think much of it to be honest, people can do what they want. Its just the genetic disorders to worry about.
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I have to agree. Other than the genetic disorders, I don't see nothing wrong with it.

Is evolution affected by incest?

I would think so.

If incest affects what constitutes a genetically "normal" offspring, it's only safe to assume that it would affect the continuum of the species as those "disorders" build upon each other.

Yep. I consider incest to be morally, socially, and emotionally wrong, illegal, and utterly disgusting.

It can also trigger skin disorders, blood disorders, and general weakness in offspring.

Its a little gross to me

I agree with the group that finds it wrong from an evolutionary point of view. There are so many autosomal recessive disorders that manifest themselves when close relatives breed. But that's only if the incest leads to procreation.

I find no specific evidence against incest from a standpoint of morals, or society, seeing as how, at several points in time, first cousins, siblings, and all kinds of close family members have had to procreate, or else we would be here (daHURR). The only reason it is 'gross', and should be considered as such, is for the fact that it shallows the gene pool. That's the only reason we consider it wrong. Obviously we would have to shed those concerns if, say, there were only like 5 people left on earth and we needed to repopulate (hopefully they would not be all members of the Bush family).

a fully grown man fucking his daughter and/or son isn't wrong?!?!?!?!?!? it's called psychological and severe emotional damage,

I don't know what you have been smoking. but it must be GOOD.

Originally Posted by ranma187

a fully grown man fucking his daughter and/or son isn't wrong?!?!?!?!?!? it's called psychological and severe emotional damage,

I don't know what you have been smoking. but it must be GOOD.
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Well now you're venturing in the realm of rape...a father relieving his lustful needs with his son/daughter involves some kind of quest for control, either psychologically or emotionally, true. At least the way we interpret it by today's standards. But that's clearly not what I was talking about. I shouldn't have said "emotions" (I fixed it).

Thats basicly it. Theres all kinds of problems that happen to your kids when you do that. Theres huge lists of things that can go wrong.

I believe that incest is probably the reason we, as a human race are what we are now. If our genetic code was left intact, we’d still have fur and be up in trees. Even worst, we could still be single cell organisms. Incest or tight family inbreeding is the most probable cause of genetic errors that make us what we are.

Loss of fur, vocal chords, large brain, big breast, large penis, you name it. All most likely genetic errors.

I do not agree with it being the right thing to do. Though, if left on an island from birth with my siblings, I probable would not care.

We are talking about straight incest here right, Sex between two sexually mature consenting related entities.

Now, having sex with children, that’s another thing and enough has been said about that here.

You can see the results in some animals that we nearly wipe out to the point where incest is the only way for the spieces to survive. Most cases they would have just died if people didn't go in and try to help. In some cases they die anyway.

Really, how often do you feel attracked to your sister? Or attracted to your own daughter? It is in our genes not to like our close family, becouse indeed, it makes some retarded kids for sure.

I guess you could say that there really isn't an arguable thing in just getting jiggy with it, but the risk of kids that comes with getting jiggy, and the huge possibilities of the kids being retards, that is a bad thing.

Do whatever you want with your family. But if you get kids you should be crucified.

However I doubt anyone would really want to have sex with their close familty. I think it's actually in our genes not to find sexually attractive those that are around us in our non-sexual period (age 0-12 or something).

Im just gonna say this much. I know for a fact that i have cousins that are atractive. But i cant look at them the way my freinds do. That would be like trying to see what your dad saw in/sees your mom. (other than himself ugh. VISUALISE!!&#33

Imagine what Pam Andersons kids are gonna have to dealwith. yikes.

Oh, and I'd like to clarify that when I said I don't see much of a big deal as long as they don't reproduce, I meant peer to peer. Father/Son or Daughter, or anything like that, I see as wrong.

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Oh, and I'd like to clarify that when I said I don't see much of a big deal as long as they don't reproduce, I meant peer to peer. Father/Son or Daughter, or anything like that, I see as wrong.
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Yeah thats I was going to say.

Originally Posted by Symbiotic

Yep. I consider incest to be morally, socially, and emotionally wrong, illegal, and utterly disgusting.

It can also trigger skin disorders, blood disorders, and general weakness in offspring.
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Okay, right from the start, I'm a moral subjectivist. That means I do not believe in any objective standards of "right" and "wrong".

I believe that incest is quite comparable to cannabalism. There is nothing "wrong" about either, morally or socially. Rather, the disgust we feel is due to a tabboo... social conditioning, an irrational, conditioned response. Animals can fuck their family and eat each other - I do not believe there is anything objectively wrong about it.

However, like cannabalism, incest can be harmful in certain circumstances, when coupled with another "bad act"... like, incest, when coupled by abuse, violence, pedophilia, etc, can definitely be harmful. Likewise, cannabalism, when coupled with murder, or torture, or whatever, can be harmful In those situations, I think it would be not so irrational to classify incest and cannabalism as a social harm.

But, in themselves, incest and cannabalism, I do not believe to be objectively "wrong" or immoral, nor a social harm. The disgust felt is due to social conditioning, the implantation of a tabboo.

I also think it's important to seperate the effects on the offspring of an incestual union, from the "morality" or "social harm" of the act itself.

I completely agree with The Blue Meanie.

I also think it's tricky to talk about humans being genetically opposed to the concept. I mean we have no choice but to speak from the perspective of the current generation of human beings, and we're so far into the evolution of civilization now that we're not really in the position to tal about genetics vs society.
If you look back in history at ancient cultures you'll see evidence of incestual activity. You only need to look at the longest running civilization humanity has known - the egyptian empire - to see it. So to then say it's down to our genes may not be entirely true.
I don't know, i'm no scientist, i'm just saying that history tells us it's more likely a social condition that's become integral over a long period of time. The psyche is a flexible and impressionable thing.

Having said that, i think incest is a rare occurance throughout the animal kingdom (correct me if i'm wrong anybody, i really haven't researched this), and since we are animals ourselves, that supports the idea of a genetic basis. I mean, animals don't appear to go through any social conditioning, they're more instinctive, more natural. But then that ties in to a whole bunch of other areas of humanity that would take too much time an assumption to go into here, which you would expect with such a major taboo.

So when it comes down to it, as i said, i agree with TBM that morality is subjective and from a moral standpoint i have no real issue with incest, and that although i consider reproduction through incest to be wrong, the act itself should be examined seperately from its effects when considering morality..... i think that made sense!

As a sidenote, but a cautious one given that I have no personal experience with incest or cannabilism, and also that I do not know how I would feel about such acts without actually doing them... I don't THINK I have the same "tabboo" reaction against either act.

Like... I KNOW the following sounds fucked-up and derranged, but, try to look at this from a philosophical standpoint...

I think I could quite easily eat human flesh. Cannibalism doesn't really bother me, instictively, as it seems to do for other people. I would, however, have a problem with eating the flesh of somebody who had been murdered for that purpose. Lots of cultures practiced cannibalism, the same as incest. and I think, given the right conditions, I would have no problem eating human flesh, or, as is the culinary term, "long pig".

Likewise with incest... I don't BELIEVE I would have the same gut, instinctual feeling against incestual activity, as other people seem to have. But that said, morality and "instincts" (whether socially or genetically implanted) aside, having a sexual relationship with anyone in a relationship of proximity to you, whether family, or a very, very good friend, is often a recipe for disaster.

Also, incestual relationships between family members who are not on an "equal footing" can, potentially, be VERY harmful, and coupled with abuse, violence, intimidation, and coercive authority. For instance, father-daughter, or older brother and younger sister, or uncle and niece. The same applies to unequal incestual relationships where the female is the senior of the two, in family relationship/age/authority.

So... I think that both incest and cannibalism are both potentially harmful and very troublesome, depending on the circumstances, I do not consider them to be "wrong" in and of themselves. The "wrong" (if you are going to use that word) arises when those acts are coupled with genuinely harmful aspects, such as abuse, violence, intimidation, etc.

GIVEN the right circumstances, I do not believe that I would have any personal qualms about partaking in either act. But, I neither condone nor condemn either incest or cannibalism. I think it depends on the circumstances. But, in the VAST majority of cases, incest is complicated and troublesome at best, and at worst, is potentially horrifying and seriously damaging. In a few circumstances, I think it might be "okay" and perhaps even loving, and beneficial. But, those situations would be very few, and very specific...

I certainly agree on the cannibalism. Not like we find it repulsing by nature. Under the right circumstances, like in that movie that actually happend, with the people that crashed on some snowy mountain, then it's fine to eat the dead. I wouldn't mind being eaten after I frooze to death anyway, and I wouldn't mind eating people aslong as I didn't kill them for that purpose.

As for incest, I think we actually by nature find that repulsing. It's in our genes. Becouse it makes for some wacky handicapped people. However, I don't mind if people do it, I just find it to be a bit dirty and unresponsible.

However in a way we are all doing incest, especially if you are a creationalist.

From an intellectual point of view, if you seperate the reproductive aspects of incest from the act, there is nothing wrong with it. Sex can be one of the warmest, most effective ways of showing affection.

I'm not saying that I agree with it or could ever participate in it, although I do have a pretty hot cousin my age....yes, I am from the south

Now, that said, I can see exactly how and why the taboo's were formed.

Caveman Ug, has sex with his sister Mgee. Mgee gives birth to a three armed baby, obviously the gods are very angry at what they have done and have punished them. Hmm, to keep the gods happy, we'd better not be doing this. And so it begins.

It is probably deemed taboo because of religion and birth defections that can occur, but personally I agree with you in the fact that I cannot really see any reason why it is deemed wrong, if two people care about each other enough why should any connection mean a problem, I mean is it was parent and child I could see the problem as the parent could have well changed the childs perceptions of items but otherwise its up too them, theirs a chance your child could have a birthing defect anyway you never know so it is a rather trivial view to be against it.

I believe incest is wrong and right in certain ways.

On one hand, it is wrong in some religous aspects but I also think its wrong when dads and moms do their kids when they're like 6-7. I believe, and I'm not saying its alright, but at least wait till they are ready and constenting, like 18+. Again, I'm not saying its alright.

But, on the other, i think its a great way to show affection. And personally, I don't see anything wrong with cousins doing cousins, besides the birth defects that may arise if pregnant. Same with brothers and sisters.

Hell, how do you think we all got here without incest? It had to happen.

Originally Posted by The

Okay, right from the start, I'm a moral subjectivist. That means I do not believe in any objective standards of "right" and "wrong".

I believe that incest is quite comparable to cannabalism. There is nothing "wrong" about either, morally or socially. Rather, the disgust we feel is due to a tabboo... social conditioning, an irrational, conditioned response. Animals can fuck their family and eat each other - I do not believe there is anything objectively wrong about it.

However, like cannabalism, incest can be harmful in certain circumstances, when coupled with another "bad act"... like, incest, when coupled by abuse, violence, pedophilia, etc, can definitely be harmful. Likewise, cannabalism, when coupled with murder, or torture, or whatever, can be harmful In those situations, I think it would be not so irrational to classify incest and cannabalism as a social harm.

But, in themselves, incest and cannabalism, I do not believe to be objectively "wrong" or immoral, nor a social harm. The disgust felt is due to social conditioning, the implantation of a tabboo.

I also think it's important to seperate the effects on the offspring of an incestual union, from the "morality" or "social harm" of the act itself.
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Objective standard phhht! right or wrong!? Look at Nature. Either incest or cannibalism, both cases we have seen the result. It is wrong and nature makes that clear.
Quite an asinine view IMO.