Thread: Ineresting answers about life and death

I'd be upset because everytime I respawn there's a guy with a gun waiting to kill me...

I'd be depressed if I knew I just went around and around and around. I was probably somebody better at one point who I'm not living up to now. There'd also be someone worse than me, but that would mean I made some really poor choices I'd have to live with for all eternity. I'd have to continue to go through seeing generations born and die. I'd just keep doing what I'm doing and see where I end up.

This could be in the Philosophy forum.

Could you imagine if you always live the same life and everytime you are born some dude shoots your baby skull in the head over, and over, and over again forever.


Spawn rape!

From the little I read, the guy had a NDE and then concluded some esoteric stuff about the universe.

I've skimmed through a book about a scientist who was also fascinated by NDEs. Unfortunately when he tested people who had images of rising above their body, he did some simple tests and discovered that actually they were just hallucinating; the details they remembered about the objects in the room were always wrong. Death does cause hyperstimulation of the visual cortex, and that's been suggested as an explanation for seeing tunnels and bright lights. I think they managed to emulate it.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Would you just wild out? Would you do everything you do in lucid dreams in real life? Of course within the boundaries of physic laws, etc.
Thoughts, input, comments?

Others would take measures if you started "wilding out", you know... Like, putting you in prison or inflicting you pain. A belief in reincarnation won't make you immune and able to disregard the limits of society.

Such a belief could probably create some good instead of bad, though. If you know that in your next life you might be a poor guy born in bad conditions, you'll strive to do what you can to make sure that life is relatively good everywhere in the world. You'll be more careful about the environment, too, knowing that by making it worse you're hurting your own self in future. And if you know that you can be born anywhere, you'll stop wanting to plunder other countries and make wars.

Originally Posted by Xei

From the little I read, the guy had a NDE and then concluded some esoteric stuff about the universe.

I've skimmed through a book about a scientist who was also fascinated by NDEs. Unfortunately when he tested people who had images of rising above their body, he did some simple tests and discovered that actually they were just hallucinating; the details they remembered about the objects in the room were always wrong. Death does cause hyperstimulation of the visual cortex, and that's been suggested as an explanation for seeing tunnels and bright lights. I think they managed to emulate it.

Alittle OT but i was told about this story that was read on the radio today someone brought in, it's not NDE related but...this 12 year old had a dog who was dieing, he looked so sad, and was in pain so they had to put him down just before christmas so sad...it sux losing a pet ), anyway the boy said "i wish my dog would give me a sign and show that he is ok", so the next morning he heard some thumping on the roof, he goes outside and there is a balloon on the roof that says Buster, which is his dogs name, the balloon blew away from a car salesplace at the other end of the city. How do people explain these things that happen? that "could" be a couincidence, but it's just too bizare...i don't really wanna make anything from it because the story could be fake for all we know, and also i have been following people since the oct 14th alien thing and people seem to follow the same thing, and i try and steer clear from it. Something happens and they already have an answer for it, like it was the dog because how else can we explain something we don't know?



Now about the NDE thing, still means nothing. So the few tests show it was brain related, we still don't know how the soul works with the brain assuming we have a soul. I'm not really worried about what some tests say.
It's like people are looking for a simple answer or something, perhaps we don't see the whole picture, our progress in this is not like way up there anyway.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

that "could" be a couincidence, but it's just too bizare...

I don't think you understand the meaning of "coincidence". If it isn't bizarre, it's not a coincidence; it's just normal.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

I don't think you understand the meaning of "coincidence". If it isn't bizarre, it's not a coincidence; it's just normal.

Well, i am probably wrong but my idea of a couincidence is a few random things, not alot of random things. If say the same things keep occuring, i normally rule that out of a couincidence and give it a "wtf????". I guess it could be something like de ja vu? I also like to think some things are just fate, not some magical thing that says "something is watching over me", but just it was ment to happen. Of course what do i know? it's not like we can reverse time and see if it was ment to happen, or just a random thing, and next time while keeping the timeline the same it staying the same.


I don't think life is a couincidence, i think life was ment to be. The universe made it happen, as it was supposed to or we would not be here.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Alittle OT but i was told about this story that
Now about the NDE thing, still means nothing. So the few tests show it was brain related, we still don't know how the soul works with the brain assuming we have a soul. I'm not really worried about what some tests say.
It's like people are looking for a simple answer or something, perhaps we don't see the whole picture, our progress in this is not like way up there anyway.

I strongly believe there is a soul. But i think a better word for it would be consciousness.

If the consciounsess is indeed electricity or some form of energy, just like everything is made of energy.

Then its all a matter of where the consciousness goes when we die. It has to go somewhere because science tells us energy can't be created nor destroyed.

It just is. I think that the consciousness goes to whatever frequency range it is tuned at when we die, within an infinite frequency range. And in the upper frequency ranges thoughts are way more powerful.

Consciousness is not matter or energy. Consciousness is a product of a system of causality. Like natural selection is a description of the actions of organisms, and like wetness is a description of the properties of water. Natural selection and wetness are not made of matter or energy, but both are real. They can both, however, be destroyed, by destroying the matter they act upon. The same is the case with consciousness.

Originally Posted by Xei

From the little I read, the guy had a NDE and then concluded some esoteric stuff about the universe.

I've skimmed through a book about a scientist who was also fascinated by NDEs. Unfortunately when he tested people who had images of rising above their body, he did some simple tests and discovered that actually they were just hallucinating; the details they remembered about the objects in the room were always wrong. Death does cause hyperstimulation of the visual cortex, and that's been suggested as an explanation for seeing tunnels and bright lights. I think they managed to emulate it.

I once heard about this little kid who drowned in a pool. When he was rescued, he reported seeing a "smiley face." Seems to be evidence that there is an element of grace in the universe.

I really want to believe that when we die, we retreat into that second before it all shuts off, and stretch it out into an eternity of dreaming. But then I remind myself it is a fallacy, and go on living.

Originally Posted by Xei

Consciousness is not matter or energy. Consciousness is a product of a system of causality. Like natural selection is a description of the actions of organisms, and like wetness is a description of the properties of water. Natural selection and wetness are not made of matter or energy, but both are real. They can both, however, be destroyed, by destroying the matter they act upon. The same is the case with consciousness.

Where is your evidence? Or is this just a guess, no better or worse than anyone else's?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Where is your evidence? Or is this just a guess, no better or worse than anyone else's?

How about the mysterious fact that things without neurons don't think?

That'd do.

My argument that there is nothing inherently conscious about the matter which constitutes a neuron is that it is self evident. There is nothing inherently conscious about sodium and potassium, that is a ridiculous idea. Also, the matter in our bodies is being recycled constantly; cells themselves regenerate once every seven years on average, but our consciousness remains.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I don't think life is a couincidence, i think life was ment to be. The universe made it happen, as it was supposed to or we would not be here.

Coincidence isn't a "sciency" word for god did it. It just means that there were certain events which coincided. It doesn't really carry a special meaning, beside the ones we give it. I mean look at your example: "The balloon with the dogs name floated there from the circus! How bizzare!". Does it really mean anything amazing scientifically? Not really. It would be if it just appeared in the living room in front everybody.

Of course things are so in the universe, because they are. And the word coincidence isn't antagonistic about it.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Coincidence isn't a "sciency" word for god did it. It just means that there were certain events which coincided. It doesn't really carry a special meaning, beside the ones we give it. I mean look at your example: "The balloon with the dogs name floated there from the circus! How bizzare!". Does it really mean anything amazing scientifically? Not really. It would be if it just appeared in the living room in front everybody.

Of course things are so in the universe, because they are. And the word coincidence isn't antagonistic about it.

From the car dealership from the other side of town actually. It's bizzare because the night before he wanted a sign his dog was still here, and the next morning the balloon with the dogs name happened. Do you know the odds of that happening are? it's like astronomical(sp). I once heard my dog breathing, and her nail dragging along the floor the night after her death, while it was most likely just me hearing those sounds and saying "hey, it was my dog..". The sounds i heard was probably a thing from my brain because i wanted to believe.