Thread: Jungian Psychology - Anima Projection

I have absolutely no idea what your talking about.
sorry.

First off, I'm no expert on Jungian psychology, but Jung and Freud didn't really use modern psychological science to come to most of their conclusions. They worked more in the manner of the enlightenment thinkers or philosophers and used quite a bit of anecdotal evidence when they used evidence at all. So you really shouldn't take this stuff too seriously, they have some valuable insights to be sure, but no one would really be justified adopting their whole belief systems.

The whole anima thing is one of those theories that is complete garabage. It's probably a self-fulfilling prophecy: You are obsessed with this imaginary girl(was she from your dreams?) because you identified her as your anima and thus believed she had some sort of psychological significance in your life. It is very possible to have very strong emotional reactions to characters in dreams. It is also very possible for made-up dream characters to persist through multiple dreams. So I wouldn't make too much of it if I were you. It seems the human brain is hardwired to be completely insane when it comes to sex and love, but if our ancestors hadn't been obsessed with each other we wouldn't be here.

I discovered the AP theory in januari 2008, 1.5 years after the obsession began. And no, she is not from my dreams.

“The psychological rule says that when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside as fate. That is to say, when the individual remains undivided and does not become conscious of his inner opposite, the world must perforce act out the conflict and be torn into opposing halves." —Jung

In other words, learn to confront and embrace your shadow self...

The world without is a reflection of the world within...

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

“The psychological rule says that when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside as fate. That is to say, when the individual remains undivided and does not become conscious of his inner opposite, the world must perforce act out the conflict and be torn into opposing halves." —Jung

In other words, learn to confront and embrace your shadow self...

The world without is a reflection of the world within...

I have never understood that "embrace your inner opposite" part. What the heck is that supposed to mean? Do I have to make peace with jackass who does nothing else except remind me of how I suck at everything, and how inadequate I am?

I wanna feel the change consume me,
Feel the outside turning in.
I wanna feel the metamorphosis and
Cleansing I've endured within

My shadow
Change is coming.
Now is my time.
Listen to my muscle memory.
Contemplate what I've been clinging to.
Forty-six and two ahead of me.

Shadow is parts of you that you don't like. Dark parts of your personality.

The Shadow is considered to be a collection of inferiorities, undeveloped, and regressive aspects of the personality. They are primarily of an emotional nature and have a kind of autonomy, displaying an obsessive or more accurately a possessive quality. Jung describes emotion as an activity that happens to the individual rather than an activity of the individual, further reinforcing the idea of the autonomy of certain aspects of the psyche such as the Shadow.

http://www.iloveulove.com/psychology...archetypes.htm

http://www.magicalpath.net/articles/..._of_shadow.htm

I have never understood that "embrace your inner opposite" part. What the heck is that supposed to mean? Do I have to make peace with jackass who does nothing else except remind me of how I suck at everything, and how inadequate I am?

Basically it's their and it ain't going anywhere, might as well accept it so you have more control.

There's a cool fantasy novel that explores the shadow archetype a little bit. It's a little childish, but still might be worth a read...Wizard of Earthsea (by LeGuin?)

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Basically it's their and it ain't going anywhere, might as well accept it so you have more control.

What the hell? So if you are a more or less normal person, and there is this guy who tells you that suck at everything you do; you believe him?
You will surrender to this bully? Have you no willpower?

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

What the hell? So if you are a more or less normal person, and there is this guy who tells you that suck at everything you do; you believe him?
You will surrender to this bully? Have you no willpower?

acceptance doesn't mean surrender.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

acceptance doesn't mean surrender.

Thanks for answering that for me.

What the hell? So if you are a more or less normal person, and there is this guy who tells you that suck at everything you do; you believe him?
You will surrender to this bully? Have you no willpower?

What I'm getting at is, its inside of you. It is you. You must understand, and assimilate it into you so it doesn't act without your knowledge. Ever have a moment you've really regretted and you felt like you had no control? Probably the work of your uncontrolled shadow. If you understand your weaknesses and limitations, it's less likely you will fall for them.

There's a poem all about this sort of thing called "The Epitaph of Twilight". It's from a video game but I think it highlights the whole "shadow" thing really well.

Yet to return, the shadowed one.
Who quests for the Twilight Dragon
Rumbles the Dark Hearth,
And Helba, Queen of the Dark,
has raised finally her army.
Apeiron, King of Light beckons.
At the base of the rainbow they meet
Against the abominable Wave,
together they fight.
Alba's lake boils.
Light's great tree doth fall.
Power - now all to droplets turned
in the temple of Arche Koeln.
Returns to nothing,
this world of shadowless ones.
Never to return, the shadowed one,
Who quests for the Twilight Dragon.

Unknown where the Cursed Wave was born…
After the stars doth cross the heavens,
The sky in the East doth darken and air doth fill with mourning.
From the chosen land beyond the forest, a sign of the wave comes.
Riding the Wave is Skeith, the Terror of Death, to drown all that stands.
Mirage of Deceit, Innis, Betray all with the flawed image, and did aid the Wave.
And by the Power of Magus, a drop from the Wave doth reach the heavens, and creates a new Wave.
With the Wave, Fidchell, the power to tell the dark future, hope darkens, sadness and despair rule.
Gorre schemes when swallowed by the Cursed Wave.
Macha seduces with the sweet trap.
Wave reaches the Pinnacle, and escape none can. Tarvos still remains with more cruelty to punish and destroy.
And with the turbulent destruction after the Wave. Only a void remains. From deep within the void arrives Corbenik.
Perhaps then the Wave is just a beginning as well.

Shunning the field broken by Wave.
The shadowed girl whispers,
"Surely, I will return."
Alas, the truth unbeknownst.
Awaiting her at journey's end;
Eternal mourning for her land.

When the finger points to the
yonder moon,
The fool will look at the fingertip.

The whole cannot be changed.
We have already lost that chance.
Because the time left to us was short,
We were mistaken in our path.
But now do we realize,
We should change not the whole,
But the parts.

Wave soars and shrouds the eyes.
No means to fight an omnipresent force,
The shadowless ones just grieve.
Why must it be a Wave?
Divide, if it would just...
Then retaliate, we may.

Over the Keel Mountains,
Meets an ape with human speech.
The ape asks,
"What clings to you?
Bear it - you cannot.
Accept it - you cannot.
But hidden - it is from you.
Recite its name."

Like a frenzied horse that is driven.
An unseen wind of plague shrieks across the border.
Pandemonium, wailing, and stench of carnage fills the air.
There is no place to run. No hope of escape.
Those who are mourned will never return.
The hands of time cannot be turned back.

The Keel Mountains traversed at last,
we met a dragon that spoke thus:
"Sheraton am I, who interprets the signs.
An answer to my question, give.
If you can, complete my role will be,
and I will leave this land.
Though equally it exists before everyone's eyes,
grasp it not one person can.
Tell me—what is it?"

Plaird of the Seven Sisters
Falling in love with a human,
Became a Shadowed One and
was exiled from the Dark.
Hence, her name came to be
called Plaird the Fallen.
At her wanderings' end,
she settled in seclusion
in Arche Haokar.
However, Those days
may not last.
A reunion may come, or
may not. Plaird's form
vanishes at the coming of the
harbinger of the Wave.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Do I have to make peace

Make peace, no matter what. Will there be Peace with divisions; with passivity?

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

with jackass who does nothing else except remind me of how I suck at everything, and how inadequate I am?

This is what may seem hard to know, that these are just your thoughts. They have no Reality. Don't take it personally.

Thank guys!
But what about the Anima?
How can I get rid of her? I think I might have projected her onto a fictional character. I'm think about her all the time! Help!

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

What do you think about this? If you've heard about it of course.
What are the ways to get rid of one?
Mine is manifesting as a VERY severe obsession for a person who doesn't even exist. It's been there since '06 and enough is enough.
Can anyone explain what exactly "shadow" means? In layman's terms please.

I'm going to ignore the rest of the thread because it's useless.

I actually have something similar, Timothy. I prefer to think of it as a cognitive parasite. It seems to attach itself to certain thoughts or people, or sometimes even non-existent people. Tell me if this sounds familiar: you get reminded of this non-existent person, who you're convinced you're completely in love with, yet whenever you get reminded you feel severe depression?

Originally Posted by drewmandan

I'm going to ignore the rest of the thread because it's useless.

I actually have something similar, Timothy. I prefer to think of it as a cognitive parasite. It seems to attach itself to certain thoughts or people, or sometimes even non-existent people. Tell me if this sounds familiar: you get reminded of this non-existent person, who you're convinced you're completely in love with, yet whenever you get reminded you feel severe depression?

True.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

True.

Well if that's the case, then you're just suffering from depression and loneliness. Get some friends and it will go away.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Well if that's the case, then you're just suffering from depression and loneliness. Get some friends and it will go away.

Hey that sounds simple! Don't you think if it was that easy, I would have done it years ago.

*Darth Vader voice* It is too late for me son.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Hey that sounds simple! Don't you think if it was that easy, I would have done it years ago.

*Darth Vader voice* It is too late for me son.

It's better than putting your faith in Jungian bullshit and thinking that will solve your problems. There's no easy way out of a rut. If someone offers one, don't believe it.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

It's better than putting your faith in Jungian bullshit and thinking that will solve your problems. There's no easy way out of a rut. If someone offers one, don't believe it.

"Solve my problems"? Actually it IS my problem. I'm LOOKING for a solution.
I want to go to a psychiatrist.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

"Solve my problems"? Actually it IS my problem. I'm LOOKING for a solution.
I want to go to a psychiatrist.

That's a good idea, you should.

Psychiatrists will just put you on drugs.

Get out and about, get some sun. Find some friends with similar interests.

GET OFF THE COMPUTER

Staring at screens for long hours makes me feel weird. Get laid, if you drink go to a bar.

Anything.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Psychiatrists will just put you on drugs.

Get out and about, get some sun. Find some friends with similar interests.

GET OFF THE COMPUTER

Staring at screens for long hours makes me feel weird. Get laid, if you drink go to a bar.

Anything.

Not helpful.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Not helpful.

Ok instead fall into the trap of a lifetime full of popping pills because the pharmaceutical companies need to get their profits up. The over medicating of America! Instead of handling your problems yourself, when in doubt pop a pill.


In fact if you're referring to the post you just made and not being helpful than you are 100% correct, because it was basically a waste of a post.

P.S. You are quite obnoxious, if you don't have anything useful to add to a topic why post?

Originally Posted by DeathCell

The over medicating of America!

Good thing I'm not in America!
There is no other way.
I can't just "wish" it to disappear - it's been here for 2 years and it has to end sometime.