Thread: Lucidity after death?

Originally Posted by LucidDreamer09

I was having some interesting conversations with my friends recently about life after death. One of them, Richard, reckoned that he had read about people who believe that, after death, you could have a permanent lucid dream...

I found this hard to believe, as your brain would stop working when you die, but it's still interesting none the less.

Does anyone know anymore about this?

Calum

No way in hell this can happen.


When you die, the parts of your brain that enable you to dream cease functioning. An unplugged, broken computer will not play any games; why should a brain that stops functioning?

Originally Posted by mini0991

No way in hell this can happen.


When you die, the parts of your brain that enable you to dream cease functioning. An unplugged, broken computer will not play any games; why should a brain that stops functioning?

Well that is exactly what I thought. But supposedly a lot of people have a lot of theory behind this

Originally Posted by LucidDreamer09

Well that is exactly what I thought. But supposedly a lot of people have a lot of theory behind this

From a perspective of reality, they're going solely on wishful thinking. It'd be nice if this is what happened, but it's not. I'd like to believe anything at all happens after death. But the evidence for any given theory doesn't hold an ounce of water.

well, buddhists believe that if you "gain lucidity" after death by realizing you are dead and everything around you is actually part of you/generated by you then you can achieve the state of nirvana

I do believe and hope that life after death would be like a permanent lucid dream. Furthermore, I think that dreaming isn't about brain, at least not only. Of course I can't prove it, but that's what i think ;].

Hehe.. An interesting thought.

The question is. Will you become lucid or not?

Well, I have thought about this a few times. It really is just me having wishful thinking though.

Like, what I want is for it to be a big shared lucid dream of everyone that is dead. So, it is basically heaven.

It could be possible though, because, the law of conservation of energy (energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed form), and it could be possible that some of the electrical energy from your brain would change form, or just simply stay somewhere (either way, this means the energy would not be destroyed).

And, It isn't so crazy that the electrical energy just stays in the air/space without having to change form.


Then, that would also mean that shared dreaming would be very possible, seeing as the electrical signals would be all mixed together in the air/space.


But, I think this actually belongs in the BD section.

I think it would be more like permanent astral projection if anything.

Well, since im christian, im forced and i do go along and have no doubts that you go to heaven after you die as long as you believe in god. so basicly, my thereoy of heaven is exactly like a lucid dream, you can do whatever you want! except for anything bad.

Originally Posted by Tushix

I think it would be more like permanent astral projection if anything.

agreed. I would believe that after death is a type of Astral Projection... but who knows.

I mean almost everyone who has had a near death experience, or "died" for a few minutes has said that they had an other worldly experience during that time, like seeing something odd, hearing voices, feeling as if they were floating, dreaming etc etc..

I mean 'science' may disprove that something happens after death, but there are so many inexplicable things that science can not prove yet...

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

I mean 'science' may disprove that something happens after death, but there are so many inexplicable things that science can not prove yet...

Or, you could have a look at my post and realise that science does in fact have a theory...

Originally Posted by slash112

Or, you could have a look at my post and realise that science does in fact have a theory...

I read your post, and its and interesting therory. I was just trying to say that there may be other ways than strictly through scientific theory.

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

I read your post, and its and interesting therory. I was just trying to say that there may be other ways than strictly through scientific theory.

Yea, I suppose.

I suppose that's just me personally who likes a little bit of science to give me hope.

OMG, really interesting theory/thought. I don't know if I quite beleive it, but heaven (yes I'm christian) is a positive thing and I can picture it to be dream like, so maybe it would be like a LD, but better!

At the moment of death, all of the etheric matter in your body (your astral body) is released. This is different from a normal obe because you only project small amounts of etheric matter. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up astral projection and conscious dying.

forgot to mention about reincarnation. This is a touchy and contreveral subject, so I'm sorry if you disagree. I believe, as well as many others do, that life is about perfecting your soul. You reincarnate so you can lear "life lessons" if you will, and once your spiritually enlightened enough, you can choose to renincarnate, become a spirit guide or ascend, whatever that means, no one is entirely sure. I'm not a bhuddist or hindu or any religion, I do not condemn or promote any religions, it's all personal beliefs, these are just mine and another perspective on this.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamer09

Well that is exactly what I thought. But supposedly a lot of people have a lot of theory behind this

A lot of people also believe that if you die in your dreams, you die in reality. Not true...do not follow the sheep, as they are lost.

Originally Posted by mini0991

From a perspective of reality, they're going solely on wishful thinking. It'd be nice if this is what happened, but it's not. I'd like to believe anything at all happens after death. But the evidence for any given theory doesn't hold an ounce of water.

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This.

Originally Posted by slash112

It could be possible though, because, the law of conservation of energy (energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed form), and it could be possible that some of the electrical energy from your brain would change form, or just simply stay somewhere (either way, this means the energy would not be destroyed).

And, It isn't so crazy that the electrical energy just stays in the air/space without having to change form.

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And this. (I, too, have long pondered this possibility. Perhaps at your dying moment, the energy within you takes shape and consciousness, and retains this state either by feeding on other energy, or by not expending any energy at all. While it is true that energy is neither created nor destroyed, it can be transferred and dissipated, so this state of energy must either replenish itself or not expend any energy at all. Either way, it would be totally awesome. Kinda wishful thinking, though.)

Originally Posted by Tushix

I think it would be more like permanent astral projection if anything.

See energy theory. This is also a nice way to spend the afterlife...

Originally Posted by ldwithadhd

Well, since im christian, im forced and i do go along and have no doubts that you go to heaven after you die as long as you believe in god. so basicly, my thereoy of heaven is exactly like a lucid dream, you can do whatever you want! except for anything bad.

Sound a bit reluctant there...at any rate, why cut out the bad stuff? The bad stuff is the most fun! Besides, good and evil are relative...I know I'd like to telekinetically duel a few people to the death...besides, it's the afterlife; you can't exactly die again.

Just putting in my two cents here...

Have you watched vanilla sky? Cause this is the plot line.

Man...

I just posted a whole bunch of shit... and it aint on here...


But listen folks, to my story....

There are 3 states of consciousness in this world:

1. Waking life
2. Dreaming... and
3. Deep sleep....

This is the Buddhist point of view, just listen. If you are Christian or atheist, no need to close your ears or your mind, just listen,
(after all, mayber Jesus studied with the Buddhists of Tibet. maybe that is why his message is so similar to the Buddhist message, and so different than the Jewish message.)

There are THREE states of consciousness during LIFE:

1. waking life
2. dreaming
3. deep sleep

There are three states of consciousness (according to the Buddhists):
1. Life
2. Death
#. Rebirth

So.... According to the TIBETAN Buddhists, if you want to lucidly control your rebirth, you have to master lucidity in dreams. If you want to become enlightened, you have to remain LUCID in the deep dreamless state. this is something that most western people have never even heard of before. Think about it for a while. I am drunk so am struggling with lucidity in the waking life right now....

What about the pineal and DMT.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

forgot to mention about reincarnation. This is a touchy and contreveral subject, so I'm sorry if you disagree. I believe, as well as many others do, that life is about perfecting your soul. You reincarnate so you can lear "life lessons" if you will, and once your spiritually enlightened enough, you can choose to renincarnate, become a spirit guide or ascend, whatever that means, no one is entirely sure. I'm not a bhuddist or hindu or any religion, I do not condemn or promote any religions, it's all personal beliefs, these are just mine and another perspective on this.

Strange enough, that actually sounds like a much better view of the universe. It's not my personal view, but if some higher power came down and gave me proof that it worked that way, I would be very happy.

Well that was off topic.

I try not to talk about the afterlife anymore because it makes my athiest friends hate me and it makes my hardcore christian friends hate me for not thinking the "correct thing".

Wow, thanks for all the replies guys. A really interesting topic.

My opinion is - so what if this is wishful thinking? There is an amount of scientific theory behind it, and there is a lot we do not know about science yet.

You never know...

Everything we are, everything we will be, and in a philosophical sense, everything that is out there, is in the organic matter of our brains. When we die, that organic matter decomposes. It is a sad fact. Now, if you believe in religion and souls, then fair enough, but that still wouldn't mean you have a lucid dream, it would mean your essence would pass on to another world.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Everything we are, everything we will be, and in a philosophical sense, everything that is out there, is in the organic matter of our brains. When we die, that organic matter decomposes. It is a sad fact.

We were actually talking about the electrical energy in the brain (the signals which make us think).

That in fact makes it very possible.