Thread: What is happening to the universe in the future?

Personlly I believe before our galaxies is destoryed humans will be smart enough to either escape or stop it, and then by the time our universe is destoryed we will also be smart enough to either escape or stop that as well.

Expanding backwards. That makes so much sense.

(Couldn't resist saying that )

How? What suddenly made it go backwards?

I say what's the point in discussing it? >:

Believe it or not Alric, there are many things that humans will never be able to control or understand. We are not the center of the universe and most definately not the smartest species in the universe. I think that when and if that happens there will be no humans left in the first place, something will destroy us long before(we'll probably do the job ourselves) or we'll just somehow become extinguished.

The way I see it is...it simply doesn't matter.Who gives a f**k what will happen millions of years away...It doesn't involve us...it doesn't involve our children or there children or the children after that...It is to early to even worry about it.That may seem selfish, but I think it is a logical way of thinking.[/rant]

Originally posted by ffx-dreamz
The way I see it is...it simply doesn't matter.Who gives a f**k what will happen millions of years away...It doesn't involve us...it doesn't involve our children or there children or the children after that...It is to early to even worry about it.That may seem selfish, but I think it is a logical way of thinking.[/rant]

I don't worry about it, but I find it interesting to discuss.

Its not millions of years its billions of years. If you think how far humans have come since we been on earth, in a billion years we would be so far more advanced. If we are still alive when our galaxies is destoryed I think we will be able to survive and if we are still alive when the universe is in danger I think we could stop it. Its not like it will sneak up on us, we would have things we couldn't even dream about that far in the future and we will have millions or billions of years just to work on the problem.

You might not think we will be able to understand stuff but we are talking about a million generations of humans in the future. By the time the universe is in danger of blowing up, if humans are still alive we will have seen entire galaxies appear and disappear.

You can chose to be negative, I however chose to be positive and I think we will make it. We will never know though because everyone here will be long gone by then.

I know it's billions of years away, but believe me, there are things that we might never ever be able to know, supposing we do make it that far. Lets face it, human beings are really not as great as we like to think we are.

We are talking about how the universe is infinite(as far as we know)...how are we ever going to stop it from expanding and contracting, and finishing its cycle?

It is beyond our reach, as many other things in life are. We just have to learn the fact that we aren't in control of the world the galaxy, or anything beyond. We are barely in control of our lives....

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/home.html

Read something by Stephen Hawkins, get some fact about the universe and the energy in it. You will see it is imposible, now and always, to stop the universe from finally imploding.....

Unless, a more inteligent alien race came and saved our asses.

Paperdoll made a good point.

Why the heck should we care right now? We aren't advanced enough to understand it, and it isn't going to happen tommorow (it's going to take billions of years, although it's still faster than Royal Mail). If there's only one favour the universe has given us, it's that we've got alot of time to figure it out.

And how is Stephen Hawking right? Who isn't to say the universe is an thinking entity that, since somebody (Stephen) discovered what was going to happen, changed the ultimate fate just to prove him wrong? You see, there's an endless amount of parts to this discussion here, and it would take us billions of years to discuss them all (good thing the universe gave us some time to figure it out, eh?)

Come to think of it, we may all be wrong and we may not even be in a universe. Maybe we're a computer simulation (Matrix), or a giant dream somebody is having? Or we're all dreaming? Perhaps you, right now, are dreaming about me, a dream character, making this post. Perhaps I'm not real. Perhaps you're not. Perhaps we're all Astral Projecting in a way yet to be disovered? Perhaps you're hallucinating this world? Perhaps this is a book come to life, where our fate is predetimenred, although we don't know it. Perhaps on the next line of this book, it says "Kaniaz wrote that he thought that perhaps we were in a book"? We cannot tell. Perhaps we're all laboratory rats with a cybernetic implant placed into a virtual computer? Perhaps there is no ultimate fate? Perhaps the universe ends in 2 minutes? Perhaps it ends in 2 trillion years? Perhaps I'm just controlling you all like pawns? It's a fundmental question, a question that cannot be anwsered.

I think it's ok to discuss it. Certainly better then some senseless banter

From what I heard → as universe expands, every atom and particle expands as well. Of course we will never notice it.

Then theoretically if universe will contract, everything will contract as well... To certain point... what will happen then is.... well... unknown
Maybe it'll explode in another big bang?

Originally posted by ffx-dreamz
Unless, a more inteligent alien race came and saved our asses.

By then we will be the more inteligent alien race heh. Some argue there has to be smarter aliens around some where in the universe and we are not the smartest, but lets face it in a billion years we may very well be the smartest in the universe.

Every other race will have to face the same thing we do, their galaxies/solar system/ planet could just as easily be destoryed and their race wiped out forever. If they are able to stop it, then why can't we? If they can't well theres always smarter beings around who just might be able to, and you know what? In a billion years it might just be us.

They say flying is beyond the reach of humans, it will never happen. Going to space was beyond our reach, going to the moon even farther! What might be out of our reach one day might very well be within reach the next.

I guess mankind will die within next 200 years if they will not find alternate source of energy...
So we may not be the smartest ones in the end...

There are all kinds of other energy we could use. People just need to get off their butts and start moving if they want to use it in any kind of mass quanitity. Might have some huge problems if they keep putting it off for so long but I don't think it will kill off mankind.

First of all, if you are using the arguement that a billion years of evolution will make us "smart" enough, or give us the ability to do something that is completely IMPOSIBLE and make us the dominating species, then what about other species out there that are smarter and much more advanced than we are now. In a billion years they will be even more advanced than we are...

Second of all, let me reinforce that there are many things that are out of our reach. The whole antropocentric theory is a bit outdated by now, thus, despite what the cool ass hollywood people are portraying in their movies, we will not end up saving the galaxy or the universe that time....

Alric wrote:

Personlly I believe before our galaxies is destoryed humans will be smart enough to either escape or stop it, and then by the time our universe is destoryed we will also be smart enough to either escape or stop that as well.[/b]

Personally I think we will be dumb enough to destroy ourselves long before the universe has a chance to.

If there is a smarter race than us already and they live that long, then yea they would be smarter. You made the arguement that we will never live a billion years and while that is true the same goes for the smarter race. If they die and we happened to get lucky and live we would be the smarter.

It basicly comes down to luck if a comet hits your planet, your sun explodes, you get sucked into a black hole all kinds of stuff. Untill your advanced enough to stop them at any time your entire race could be destoryed. Chances are we don't see any aliens flying around is because most died. Once you advance far enough however you can stop many of the things. There are still ones really hard, but if you knew how to travel to other planets and other galaxies chances are you can avoid and run away from a lot of them.

You say its imposible to do something now because you don't know how it works. In a few billion years I think we would have a much better understanding than we do now and it may very well be able to be done. Just because you don't know how to do something, doesn't make it imposible.

I really don't think we would destory ourself. We could but I think its much more likely we would just mess ourself up really bad. Maybe even set us back a 100 or 1000 years, but I doubt we would kill everyone.

I am not saying we will and I am not even saying its likely. What I am saying however is I think its possible if we can make it that far. And I am hoping we will.

Yes, we will destroy ourselves. There is an entire selection of epsiodes where we may destroy ourselves, dumb or intended.

Global Warming, where we pratically boil ourselves alive
Everybody knows about it. Problem is, we haven't solved it. A few years more, and the Earth's climate might suddenly just go totally wrong and mess up. It would just be a lifeless, boiled planet, like Venus, for example.

It would take one month. Tempatures jump. The ice caps of the poles crumble, pushing the sea levels up and destroying costal areas. The snow caps on mountains also melt, turning even the small little river into a gigantic mass of water crushing everything in its path. Tornadoes and hurricanes go across the globe, killing thousands of peoples and important buildings. Ships sink, harvests fail. Economics crumble apart. Cities flooded; entire countries would be washed away. Forests turn to desert. Malaria and other tropical disease push northwards to people that aren't immune, killing millions.

Not dead yet? You soon would be.

Within another few years, the situation gets enteriely out of hand. Tempatures just won't stop rising- more and more water on Earth evapaorates, stopping dams from working and cutting power to some areas. The sea level would drop again, although nothing would be left.

Here's how it goes: As the tempature rises, water evaporates, and our atmosphere gets thicker- causing the tempatures to rise even more in a neverending loop. It's the "runaway greenhouse effect". A few more years later, you would be like venus, about 750 degrees celsuis. Nothing, I repeat nothing, would live. And that is going to happen if we don't sort out Global Warming. It's easy enough to think that kind of things won't happen, but it can and WILL if we don't fix it. And it's easy to not do anything- so we might kill ourselves quicker than we think.

Gamma Ray Bursts
When a star is eaten by a black hole, more energy than the sun produces in it's entire lifetime is spewed out at almost light speed, always hitting a planet. If this was to happen to earth, the side facing the GRB would be sterlizied. The atmosphere would boil. Even a blast far away from us in the milky way is no good; it would be too far away to fry us all, but it would mess up our atmosphere, grinding atoms until they were oxygen and nitrogen. And then there would be no more ozone layer. And we all die of sun cancer. If that dosen't kill you, the soot left would.

Nuclear War
Politics is shaky. Countries sometimes come to the brink of a war, possibly a nuclear one. Let's say, let's be optimistic. You survived! Hurrah!

Suddenly, the huge mushroom clouds tower into the sky. All electric goes out because of electro-magnetic effects. This for a start is not good. Of course, millions are already dead from the nukes. For three days it rains deadly radioactive particles that would kill you. In fact, you'd have to stay in a radioactive proof shelter for a year to be able to exit safely. So you've survived that, somehow.

Now the climate messes up, the soot rises into the air. And we suddenly enter a nuclear winter, until we freeze to death. Even Satan would be able to ice skate in hell. And after that, if you ever managed to survive that, you would suffocate in a huge, 1 mile thick blanket of dust covering the entire world. Face it; there's no way you could get out of that.

Germs
Germs are there all the time. And they can kill you. SARS was a nice virus, in virus terms. Okay, it wasn't nice for killing people, but it could of been worse. In the stuart times, across the entire globe, there was a plague. We survived; but would we this time?

You could inerit one of 3 fabulous diseases.
1) Bubonic Plague. 45% Mortality rate, spread by fleas. This is unlikely to be a problem in clean, rat free areas (rat's carry the fleas).
2) Pneumoic Plague. 95% Mortality rate, spread by coughing. You die in your own lung fluid, but that's right after your saliva becomes slimy and red.
3) Septisemic Plague. 100% Mortality rate, spread by blood. You always die within 24 hours of contracting this. Your blood is infected and you die.

Of course, we now have cures for these virri. But it could happen again. SARS dosen't have a cure; but we managed to contain it and stop it from spreading. But it takes one mutation- BAM! You have a super virus that requires 2 years to fine a cure for. By then, everybody would be dead. A few might survive; few and far apart, but inbreds are no good and we would all go insane over time. We may even make it ourselves through genetic enegerneering.

Comets
A comet could smash into us. It wouldn't be good. We all die. Even if it didn't smash into us, our gravity would mess up and we'd ever crash into another planet or land in the sun (of course, if you somehow survived being boiled/stretched and killed on that fantastic journey).

Aliens
Obviously, we will meet aliens. What if they are not friendly? What if they are more advanced than us? Yes, zap, bang, we're all dead by some ultra-scientifc weapon. Nothing we can do about it, those aliens knew more than us.

Strange Matter
Imagine this. One day, you're listening to the radio, when a newflash cuts into your favourite tune.
"News just in: An outbreak of 'strange matter' has swept across the globe. According to airplanes, the entire of Amer-arrrg."
It cuts dead. Odd.
A few second later, you see a grey thing. It consumes your house, goes across the floor, eats you. You are nothing but slime now. Your body ceased to exsist.

Yes, folks, it's strange matter. If somebody creates this strange matter (which is proven to be a real thing that thankfully we haven't got a hold of yet), it consumes everything. Metal, nothing could stop it. Within one minute, the earth is a ball of strange matter. And it would fly out into space, because it is positively charged. Hit a comet? That becomes strange matter which also flies out into space. Hit a planet? The planet gets the same fate as earth. Eventually, the entire UNIVERSE would be dead, unless intelligent aliens knew a way to escape it (we don't).

This wouldn't happen if they were negatively charged. It's a 50:50 chance- make it and hope you make a new discovery, or be the person that killed the universe?

Grey Goo, Nanobots
Read about nanobots, atoms that can mak more of themselves and convert any atom into whatever you want.
What if somebody threw one away? Oops, an entire planet made of grey goo. You would however, get the fun adventure of watching your body get slowly eaten away by it.

My Conclusion
Yes, we will kill ourselves. No, I bet you it won't happen tommorow. But I bet you something will happen within 1,000 years. And in evolution time, that's just about enough to grow yourself an pair of wings. Which would be damned useless, because you wouldn't have enough time to use it anyway, because your 1,000 years would be up, and it's more likely you'd be dead before then anyway.

If we can come up with a list of the ways that we "could" kill ourself, then we might not be stupid enough to do them.

Good for some, but not for all.

A) Not everybody would see it unless it was on TV. Unlikely. And not everybody has the internet (come to think of it, not everybody has TV).
B) It takes just one person to set some of these off, and there's always one person.
C) Some of them, like metorites, cannot be stopped [at our current intelligence levels]
D) Some of them are scientific discoveries that people couldn't resist.
E) Somebody would probably use the list for evil, and do the things it talks about.
F) The list is endless.

For how long has the human race been really intelligent? If you look at it on a cosmic timescale, its really small. And we still have a damn long way ahead of us. We're not gonna die anytime soon. There are so many possibilities left. I have alot of thoughts about these things but its kinda hard to put it all in words right now... But my future isnt as negative as most.

I'd applaude the human race if we don't screw ourselves in the next ten years.

Back to the orginal topic, the recurring universe theory is that once the universe collapses on itself there will be a new big bang and an age of firestorm. So basically a rebirth.

Who says the universe is going to collapse on itself? How are they so sure?

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Paperdoll made a good point.

Why the heck should we care right now? We aren't advanced enough to understand it, and it isn't going to happen tommorow (it's going to take billions of years, although it's still faster than Royal Mail). If there's only one favour the universe has given us, it's that we've got alot of time to figure it out.

And how is Stephen Hawking right? Who isn't to say the universe is an thinking entity that, since somebody (Stephen) discovered what was going to happen, changed the ultimate fate just to prove him wrong? You see, there's an endless amount of parts to this discussion here, and it would take us billions of years to discuss them all (good thing the universe gave us some time to figure it out, eh?)

Come to think of it, we may all be wrong and we may not even be in a universe. Maybe we're a computer simulation (Matrix), or a giant dream somebody is having? Or we're all dreaming? Perhaps you, right now, are dreaming about me, a dream character, making this post. Perhaps I'm not real. Perhaps you're not. Perhaps we're all Astral Projecting in a way yet to be disovered? Perhaps you're hallucinating this world? Perhaps this is a book come to life, where our fate is predetimenred, although we don't know it. Perhaps on the next line of this book, it says \"Kaniaz wrote that he thought that perhaps we were in a book\"? We cannot tell. Perhaps we're all laboratory rats with a cybernetic implant placed into a virtual computer? Perhaps there is no ultimate fate? Perhaps the universe ends in 2 minutes? Perhaps it ends in 2 trillion years? Perhaps I'm just controlling you all like pawns? It's a fundmental question, a question that cannot be anwsered.

e x a c t l y.

I'm all about just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't real.