Thread: Where do those thoughts come from?

Terrific question! One that isn't asked hardly at all. I don't have an answer for you, and I doubt anyone really has that answer. It could be some complex and seldom studied brain process, or something deeper and more mystical. I'm too tired to come up with some complex hypothesis.

If you put several items together, what do you have? a Mixture. Thoughts are often mixtures of previous thoughts. Now, I know I haven't gotten to the origin yet, but let me go on. Thoughts are also triggered by outside stimuli, where various datas already in our memory compose them. The external stimuli is the source of the thoughts, and since they are not thoughts in and of themselves, it's accurate to say that the stimuli is the independent factor the created thoughts.

Now, the next challenge inquiry is to wonder where thought or stimuli (action) happened first?

Randomness. Or maybe it isn't even random. Maybe it's just everything we ever allready experienced just rolling though our heads. And mixtures of it. (like purple panda's).

That question is as hard as explaining the brain alltogether.

You don't know what causes you to think what you think? That sounds like you're a lower animal.

Originally posted by AirRick101
If you put several items together, what do you have? a Mixture. Thoughts are often mixtures of previous thoughts. Now, I know I haven't gotten to the origin yet, but let me go on. Thoughts are also triggered by outside stimuli, where various datas already in our memory compose them. The external stimuli is the source of the thoughts, and since they are not thoughts in and of themselves, it's accurate to say that the stimuli is the independent factor the created thoughts.

Now, the next challenge inquiry is to wonder where thought or stimuli (action) happened first?

But what happends if you take away the stimuli , like vision , hearing , smell, touch , taste ? You would still have thoughts of course , due to the residual memories in your head . Its said the human brain has upwards of 10000thoughts a day . Maybe its a specific mechanism in the brain which main roe is to generate creative thoughts . If you could view a brain scan like you sometimes see , where they show the different brain activities happening , and try to see the area that was active during creativeness then maybe you could find more out . But then , ive seen shows displaying the different active areas of the brain during differing thoughts and activities , so maybe its more to do with the actual layout of the brain cells and chemicals in certain areas . Im really clutching at straws , I need to have a good think about it .

Christ is the source of all things, for all things come through Christ.

Originally posted by bochen4
Christ is the source of all things, for all things come through Christ.

Haha, you are like an account someone made to screw around and annoy people,,,, right?

God I hope so

Originally posted by Neruo


Haha, you are like an account someone made to screw around and annoy people,,,, right?

God I hope so

Maybe it's the 'screaming fat Christian woman' in disguise
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26360

Originally posted by dudesuperior


Maybe it's the 'screaming fat Christian woman' in disguise
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26360

Maybe the fat christian woman lied an egg and hatched this creature?

AirRick101, how can there be various data already in our brain? How did it get there - it wasn't there when we were born; why everyone has a different perception/view ..
Outside objects trigger certain thoughts, but where does their origin lay? Why is it exactly those thoughts with me, but those others with different people.
There must be something even deeper, where experiences, happenings, situations and their consequences, impressions etc. lay in each one of us. Those get set free by outside objects - and they appear in a different constellation as they lay in us - we take what we need for a certain situation from what we experienced, consequences of situations, impressions etc., and put it together.
Everyone has his/her certain and own view. That's when we more or less think about those experiences etc., have an opinion about them and let them settle down ... that's what's in the end your true charakter.
And this source, I think, we also use, probably unconsciously, when new thoughts are to come up.

Well, it's hard to pinpoint where "thought," (as in Original Thought) comes from because, as of now, there are different views on the fundamental nature of the universe.
I would suppose that from a materialistic view, all thought is born from your first taste of stimuli. Your first "observation" of that which is other than the perception of "I exist" (or possibly that very one) would be the birth of thought. This, in turn, grows with all other following stimuli, which builds your cache of Experiences, from which further thought can be structured.

This, then, brings into play schemas, which is a term I first heard was coined by LaBerge. They are the tiny, individual "files" of conceptual information that is stored in our minds. They are the broken down form of any singular concept - a chair, a bicycle, the color red, your mother, her shoe, her favorite earing.
Schemas operate as a sort of buffer of thought which changes, constantly, in respect to your ongoing experience of life. Anything that is somewhat associated to what you are experiencing, even if on a subconscious level, is grouped together much more perceptively in your conscious mind. For instance, you walk into school and the first thing you see is the girl you like. Inside your mind, the schemas related to that girl are going to come rushing up to the surface. You're instantly "aware" of all those things about her that makes her her in your mind - Her hair, her eye color, her voice, the way she wears her hair, etc. They all slip from your unconscious/subconscious mind and into your conscious mind because they are in a mental context with the situation.
Everything else that you might have been thinking of before (all the other schemas,) such as homework, the dream you had last night, how awful your toothpaste tastes, etc. are the schemas that are now pushed back into your subconscious/unconscious mind, because the girl you like is now right in front of your face.

The exchange of schemas continues to progress, rather fluidly, as one conscious experience blends in to another. Each new thing you see, taste, hear, etc will remind your subconscious mind of something that is "in Some way" related to what you're experiencing. Those schemas can then, more easily, slip from an undetectable area (the subconscious mind) into something that you're consciously aware of and seem, to you, as a completely new Thought, when, in reality, it was brought about by a schema that came closer to the surface of your awareness by way of relation to something you were previously experiencing. (I've actually come to believe that this is how dreams, themselves change from concept to concept, but appear to keep the same sort of fluidity.) As you learn and grow, these relations based on experiences define why every individual's logic is unique, because no two people follow the same paths of experience and are able to make the same conceptual relations, throughout a lifetime.

But that's only one interpretation. There are still the possibilities of a universal consciousness, which could imply that thought arises from connection with some other data bank of all existing information. Call it "God," "singular consciousness," "the Akashic Records," or whatever you want. If any of these exist, then an "original thought" could be the work of divine influence, karma, telepathy, etc.

Just like in the universe there are both the forces of order and chaos within our psyches.

No psychologist is needed here. It's mere logic.
Existance works simply: actions lead to consequences, which in turn are actions themselves. This endless cycle continues eternally and in countless cases.

Thoughts are just like any other action. A certain thought may come to mind either by being stimulated by an event registered by senses, by another thought or perhaps even whatever mechanisms our subconscious mind has, of which we aren't aware of.

Simply put: everything has a reason. And whether we know that reason or not, it doesn't matter much, after all, we value what we have and we greatly value creativity; surely no one would appreciate it if creative thought were to become a subject of study to the point where someone might realize how to sinthesize it.

I also have a question: What would a person growing up with no education of any kind and being cut of from the real world (lets say kept in a dark place) think, what would his random thoughts be, what would he dream about?