Thread: You are a Dream Character in God's dream. How would you make God lucid?

I would make god lucid, and i would ask him some profound questions.

Either your joking or your microwave needs to be replaced.

Are you aware of the meaning of Lucid in Platonic terms? Biological terms?

I don't think anyone is sane who claim that they are a product of imagination.

I will grant, however, one of your major premises as fact, perception determines conception. (imagination is limited by perception).

I will deny your anthropomorphic use of the term "God." However, if one uses the term to mean "all that is true" then of course that is neither lucid nor capable of being lucid, the part is not the whole.

Lucidity is attained by combination of genetics and exercise. Plato did explain what lucidity really means, however, I have yet to see of anyone who understood what he had said. The mind is evolving to do a job, when it can perform that job virtuously, it is lucid.

If I were the product of another's imagination, then by the Law of Identity, there would be no I, there would only be a them.

When given a thought problem that incorporates a logical contradiction, such as yours (relation to self) the only correct answer is to point out the contradiction. There are an endless number of these, many preserved historically that still puzzle the minds of men.

If one is not aware of their own mistake in expression, are they lucid? No. This brings about the meta-contradiction- a question about lucidity by the non-lucid. (Just joking) The spark of lucidity always happens when we first realize that we are not. Now, the question, which was rightly asked, what is it, must be followed by how it is attained.

Over all, even though messy, shows promise.

There is something very, very important in the realization that we are not lucid. It is the fact that this is the spark of self-criticism. This spark of self-criticism must be nurished, and used to conquer all other wrong tendencies that drive us away from becoming lucid. In the words of a wise man, "Unless a man be born again. . . . " What was meant is that there is a virture to attain to which must be the driver of human will. Lucidity. One must learn what it is, what it is for, and how to exercise it.

You just wasted your whole time writing that Philosopher. Just play the god damn game.

Originally Posted by Lucidness

You just wasted your whole time writing that Philosopher. Just play the god damn game.

I try not to assume a persons abilities before I know better. A personal fault I guess. And, to tell the truth, I am a die-hard romantic.

I will, however, consider myself duely chastized. pout.

Originally Posted by Lucidness

You just wasted your whole time writing that Philosopher. Just play the god damn game.

^ that. sometimes you gotta stop analyzing everything and just go along with it -.-

Assuming that he's real I wouldn't make him lucid, cuz if he's dreaming, he's probably dreaming about his experiences, which are probably pretty sweet, and I would want to enjoy them. If i make him lucid, he might destroy me

Originally Posted by RogerWaters

^ that. sometimes you gotta stop analyzing everything and just go along with it -.-
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Sound interesting, but mountain climbing with my eye's closed somehow does not seem appealing.

Or, starting a thought problem with a pre-requisite of a lobotomy is really not cool.

Jeez, You knew fine well what the question was asking. Either answer it or don't open your hole.


Anyways.

I wouldn't make him lucid. Because then he would have the power to do his own thing. And he would then be able to get rid of everything. And we wouldn't exist anymore.
Kinda like what Roger was saying about how he could then destroy us.

LMAO guys, anyway i would ask him questions such as WHY did you make the earth. ect ect.

If he was God then he would sort of have to be lucid by diffinition. If I was just a DC in a dream of someone else I would just be lucid myself and have fun without them knowing. lol

This is a non-question. God is so omnipotent that he is both lucid and not lucid all the time regardless of whether or not he is sleeping.

Thanks for those of you who played along ! Random thoughts like this pop up in my head all the time! I thought it would be fun to share one; especially here, with so many creative minds.

This is not my belief; just a play toy, really (I knew this wasn't a religous/spiritual forum, so that is why I cut a few legs off of the question). Usually, I start off with a simple idea like this and go deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, until I feel I have come to a satisfying conclusion about something. Which may not be the answer to the original question. Some good arguements have been raised and I appreciate the thought that went behind them. Attacking my sanity is just humorous. What is sanity anyway...it's a box. You have to think outside the box in order to fly...or shake the box up a bit. I realize, there are faults in my question. But, I don't mind them much.

As far as being a product of imagination. Does that mean I do not exist? You say that I do not exist, by Law of Identity. However, if I am 'them', I am still I...like the tentacle of an octopus.
I am sure there is an existence thread somewhere, on here! But, that is one road to go down .

As far as Omnipotence, it could be that God is all knowing, based upon fed information from all facets of existence. What if God chose to take a break and although all filters are on and the information is still there, God has chosen to be non-lucid for a moment. Living a nice dream life (like what Roger said). If that were so, I wouldn't want to make God lucid...let God take a break .

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i would ask him questions such as WHY did you make the earth. ect ect. ...sounds good! I would ask about the cycle of life, or the first thought that he remembers, or if he is happy...

I wouldn't make him lucid. Because then he would have the power to do his own thing. And he would then be able to get rid of everything. And we wouldn't exist anymore.
Kinda like what Roger was saying about how he could then destroy us...I would worry about the destruction, too.

If I was just a DC in a dream of someone else I would just be lucid myself and have fun without them knowing. lol...haha, sounds like a plan!

This is a fun thread!

Question: How is it possible for a mere dream character with a limited, I'm assuming, human consciousness in this case, to know that this is just a dream and that you are just a DC in God's dream. And at the same time for God, to be clueless about it. Or rather, how is possible for a DC to know more than the dreamer - in this case God?

That makes for one godly DC

I suppose if you compare it to the human mind he would not be concious of it but the subconcious part that is you would know it. It is infact very easily posible for real DCs in real dreams to know more than the dreamer because the dreamer only has acsess to the concious thoughts but everything else in the dream has acces to everything.

One can't become lucid by any dream-induced means, only if they have their own epiphany within the dream. I couldn't make God lucid even if I screamed in his face, "YOU'RE DREAMING!"

Originally Posted by MadMonkey

I suppose if you compare it to the human mind he would not be concious of it but the subconcious part that is you would know it. It is infact very easily posible for real DCs in real dreams to know more than the dreamer because the dreamer only has acsess to the concious thoughts but everything else in the dream has acces to everything.

That's why this question amuses me. Because it would mean the human being (the DC) knows more than the conscious dreamer (God).

This is a problem of duality.

Some people have already said they wouldn't want God to be lucid because then God could end the dream and they would cease to exist. But - conscious DCs are a part of the subconscious of the dreamer. When you encounter one of your own DCs that conscious, you are communicating and interacting with your own consciousness, projected in your dream in the form of a character.

If the DC made God lucid, and God ended the dream - only the projected forms would cease to exist. But the consciousness was always God's consciousness.

In other words, the DC and God are of the same consciousness. That's why the DC can know more the conscious dreaming God. Because the DC is also God.

I would let God rest in nonlucidity. If he's that much of a tyrant when he isn't trying, I'm scared to see what he can do when he puts effort into it.

Originally Posted by Mario92

I would let God rest in nonlucidity. If he's that much of a tyrant when he isn't trying, I'm scared to see what he can do when he puts effort into it.

I'd make him lucid... then we might fight *Queue Mortal Kombat theme*

Originally Posted by juroara

If the DC made God lucid, and God ended the dream - only the projected forms would cease to exist. But the consciousness was always God's consciousness.

In other words, the DC and God are of the same consciousness. That's why the DC can know more the conscious dreaming God. Because the DC is also God.

Well, put! Then, I suppose, if I want to keep my current division from the whole of God's consciousness I wouln't wake him...just keep on the path I am following; smelling the roses. But, if I wished to have all the knowledge I would ever desire, I would have it in an instant by waking him; becoming whole again.

I would ask about what it's like to influence things, perhaps even without realizing it at first glance. And wonder what it would mean if everything in some way or another made the same contribution.

Or mention that the imagination is limitless, and give a some sort of effective counterpoint.


Then watch what happens.

Originally Posted by juroara

That's why this question amuses me. Because it would mean the human being (the DC) knows more than the conscious dreamer (God).

This is a problem of duality.

Some people have already said they wouldn't want God to be lucid because then God could end the dream and they would cease to exist. But - conscious DCs are a part of the subconscious of the dreamer. When you encounter one of your own DCs that conscious, you are communicating and interacting with your own consciousness, projected in your dream in the form of a character.

If the DC made God lucid, and God ended the dream - only the projected forms would cease to exist. But the consciousness was always God's consciousness.

In other words, the DC and God are of the same consciousness. That's why the DC can know more the conscious dreaming God. Because the DC is also God.

hmmm...good stuff!

Originally Posted by Mario92

I would let God rest in nonlucidity. If he's that much of a tyrant when he isn't trying, I'm scared to see what he can do when he puts effort into it.

lul.


I would ask God who it would like to have a shared dream with

If i was possible to make him lucid, Then there is only on thing for me to do. That is make god believe i am his dream guide and that i have total control over his actions. i would spent ages making that belief stronger and stronger. Then slowly i will become god of this world as long as he believes it..

Originally Posted by Yahiko

If i was possible to make him lucid, Then there is only on thing for me to do. That is make god believe i am his dream guide and that i have total control over his actions. i would spent ages making that belief stronger and stronger. Then slowly i will become god of this world as long as he believes it..

That's not neccessary to become God, though. In this scenario, you already are God. The only real difference between you and your DCs in a dream is where your attention/perception is based. That is all your dream avatar is. Every DC you see in your dream is YOU just as much as every blade of grass and every tree is YOU. To modify Dr. Manhatten's words a bit, "ego in a dream is an unquantifiable abstract, why should I care which part of the dream I am?" So, after realizing that 'Hey, I'm God!' I would make him lucid because I prefer lucid dreams to non-lucid one's, so why not help myself out?

You can get really creative with this actually. I got this idea from the poster of the Hindu Diety Vishnu. He is seated on a snake with many heads, over the oceans getting a massage by his consort. And thats where I got the idea of massaging God to induce pleasant thoughts.

Here is a picture of Vishnu.

http://satsangh.mantraaonline.com/wp...02/vishnu2.jpg

He dreams of snakes?