Thread: RCs: The perfect way to induce LDs

Originally Posted by Higurashi

Ok, it's been a bit over a week and here are my results:

Saturday - No lucids, though increased recall.
Sunday - same ^^
Monday - same ^^
Tuesday - same ^^
Wednesday - same ^^
Thursday - lucid, only for a moment before end of dream.
Friday - lucid, about 6 minutes.
Saturday - 1 dream recalled, I'm sure it wasn't lucid(I stayed up late..)
Sunday - lucid, about 3 minutes.
Monday - lucid, about 10 minutes.

Well there is some definite improvement! The first 5 days you had 0 out of 5 LDs. The last 5 days you became lucid 4 out of 5 days.

Two things I've noticed, not sure if they've been the same for you Silox, I can never remember what happens before I become lucid.

Yeah, that tends to happen to me since after I become lucid, I forget everything I was doing and just focus on taking control. After I wake up and try to recall my dream, I usually only remember what I did once I was lucid since that sticks out in my mind a lot more and that's what I was focused on.

The other thing is that I can't seem to become lucid multiple times in one night unless I WILD. But maybe it's just too early for this to start happening?

Yeah, I think it's still too early to be a that point. You'll definitely get to that point though if you keep up with the RCs, since it looks like you've improved a lot in just 10 days, ending with 2 lucid nights in a row after starting out with 5 non-lucids in a row.

I for one think it's hilarious when people see a new technique, they give up the technique they were previously practicing because the new one seems like it'll work. They never spend proper time on any technique and fail at LDing. Even if it involves reality checking EVERY 5 MINUTES, which is enough to develop OCD if done long enough. Seriously. Assuming it takes 10 seconds to do a RC, you'll be spending 48 minutes of every 24 hours RCing. Assuming you're awake for about 15, you'll be spending about 30 minutes every day doing RCs. What other technique requires a 30 minute a day dedication, ASIDE from a dream journal and visiting DV? Not only that, it interrupts you every 5 minutes. And no, maintaining constant awareness is not that hard. All it is is being conscious of what you're doing, while you're awake.

No offense to you Silox, it's a solid technique. Just too much effort.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Assuming it takes 10 seconds to do a RC, you'll be spending 48 minutes of every 24 hours RCing. Assuming you're awake for about 15, you'll be spending about 30 minutes every day doing RCs. What other technique requires a 30 minute a day dedication, ASIDE from a dream journal and visiting DV?

I don't know what techniques people are using, but a RC for me takes about a second (I just pinch myself or look at my hands). And yes, this technique does take dedication, but it gives good results.

Not only that, it interrupts you every 5 minutes. And no, maintaining constant awareness is not that hard. All it is is being conscious of what you're doing, while you're awake.

Well this technique is meant to sort of train the person to be always aware. Doing RCs constantly throughout the day will get the person to always keep LDing in the back of their mind, which will definitely help them achieve LDs. Maintaining constant awareness throughout the entire day is hard for a lot of people, especially when they're busy doing things like work and school. Keeping a set of guidelines will help them stay focused, and also help cement RCs and the constant awareness that comes with it into their brains.

After reading this thread I started RCing a lot. Not exactly every five minutes, but I do it at least 50 times a day.

It's really easy to remember RCing when I have nothing else to think about, but there is a problem. It's really hard to remember to RC when I'm talking to people, listening to a lecture or reading something, and this is a big part of my week day. If I don't put a timer on my cell phone during the lecture, I will RC maybe once or twice in 2 hours.

Any suggestions about how to solve that?

Just write RC on your hand in marker or wear a rubber band to remember.

Well, got two short lucids yesterday. One was second FA: I was thinking about how stupid I did not become lucid at first FA, and decided to check if I am dreaming - well it was dream ). In another one I was already lucid. Both were very short (it was morning).

Got another LD today - about 5 minutes. This time I became lucid right because of RC I am doing usually: I've used a digital device which had digits running wildly.

Short LD. Was talking about lucid dreaming and decided to do an RC .

Any suggestions about how to solve that?

I bought myself a digital wrist watch which turn out to be easy to use for RCs, though it is indeed easy to get lost in conversations and such.

I gonna try this and I will post results.
I never had any lucid dream before so let's see

Hmm, I must be doing something wrong....my RC's take a good minute. I usually ask myself "am I Dreaming?" I hold out my hands count my fingers, look away and look back, I do the nose pinch and the hand through palm techniqes, and I also take note of everything where I am standing.

I guess they could be shorter huh? hmmm...I always they thought they weren't effective then. That's why I hate RC's, mine take so damn long.

Originally Posted by hisnameistyler

Hmm, I must be doing something wrong....my RC's take a good minute. I usually ask myself "am I Dreaming?" I hold out my hands count my fingers, look away and look back, I do the nose pinch and the hand through palm techniqes, and I also take note of everything where I am standing.

I guess they could be shorter huh? hmmm...I always they thought they weren't effective then. That's why I hate RC's, mine take so damn long.

I think most people just do 1 rc thats why it goes so fast. Like I pinch my nose it takes 1 sec.
But still today I didn't have any dreams but I didn't have any the night before either >.< I hope I will get some today. I done the nose pinch like every 5 minuts.
Then again I maybe should try to do some more rc than just nose pinch.

Ah okay, I gotcha. I've been taking a little too long. I've been working on doing an RC every five minutes. It's pretty tough!

Another LD (about two minutes).

Seems like the tech do work. Let's summarizes what we have to this day:

1. Started at March 19
2. First 2-3 featured increased recall (but I would not solely count on this tech at this regard)
3. Next few days were filled with dream signs
4. Since March 29, DILDs started to happen
5. I've got 5 LDs in 6 days

It should be noted that tech started to work for me only after 10 days, so one should not expected immediate results - it may work earlier or later, but it is not a magic potion.

Also I would not recommend solely depend on this tech in regard of dream recall. One should use something else like DJ.

this might just be me, but when I try to do a RC every so often, it doesn't work. RCing for the sake of RCing has always been useless to me, and only works when I reality check at the times that I would in a dream (i.e. when something strange happens, when I see my dream sign, etc.)

however, I suppose it's worth a try. If I could get that disciplined it could possibly bring results, but I'm not sure it would be worth it or even possible (for me ) to even remember it that often!

I'll try it out. I've been RCing every hour or so. 5 minutes will take a lot of commitment, but if this works, it's worth it.

Edit: I'll edit my post with results in a few days, or earlier if I get a lucid before. =D

Ok, here is my thoughts after a month of trying this tech out. Unfortunately, it is not a Lucid Graal. At first it works great but after about two-three week effect reduced greatly as if brain adjusted to it and stopped to react as strong as at first time (at least in my case).

Originally Posted by Phantasos

Ok, here is my thoughts after a month of trying this tech out. Unfortunately, it is not a Lucid Graal. At first it works great but after about two-three week effect reduced greatly as if brain adjusted to it and stopped to react as strong as at first time (at least in my case).

That's interesting. Maybe you should take a break from it and use some other techniques for a while.

Originally Posted by Phantasos

Ok, here is my thoughts after a month of trying this tech out. Unfortunately, it is not a Lucid Graal. At first it works great but after about two-three week effect reduced greatly as if brain adjusted to it and stopped to react as strong as at first time (at least in my case).

The problem with excessive RCs is that it may become an "automatic" behaviour, reducing your attention to the check itself, both IRL as in dreams.
If you want a RC to work, you must take attention to its results. IMO it's quality that matters, not quantity.

ill give it a shot, hell this'll be hard

Great idea, but i have one question. How do you know in the dream if its been 5 minutes? If in waking life you get in the habit of doing a RC only when 5 minutes has passed by your watch or a clock, then in the dream a RC would only be triggered when you look at your watch or a clock. and

1. there might not be one

2 there might be one but you cannot read it (Which i suppose could work as an RC in itself)

or 3. The watch in the dream might not change, or change to some random time, and you won't do a reality check because you are looking for exactly 5 minutes from a certain point.

I've kind of neglected reality checks for their normal uses. I usually only use them when I'm tipped on to the fact that I may be dream. They're also a great stabilization device. I do the RC with the wrist watch. It hasn't once failed for me. One time, it had about a hundred digits across the face. One time it said the word "sex" and then under that "00:XX". So I knew I was dreaming. The two most common ones are when the digits move really fast, or if I look once and it says one time, and I look again and it says something different.

Originally Posted by Br_Wolf

The problem with excessive RCs is that it may become an "automatic" behaviour, reducing your attention to the check itself, both IRL as in dreams.
If you want a RC to work, you must take attention to its results. IMO it's quality that matters, not quantity.

Well, during third week it was like my brain went numb. Even when I started to double-check that I make RCs consciously and paying atterntion, it was like my unconscious mind just filtered it using mindwall. Currently I am testing another tech which is claimed to be very effective and is crossover between using RCs, dream planning and WBTB.

you could try my method. I have gotten a lucid dream from it, but it took 3 days.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=78489

Thank you S.I.L.O.X - a very interesting thread!!

It Reminds me of drugs tolerance.... A possible solution would be to "change drugs" !

So here is my plan:
I'll do this technique fo 10 days.
If I get results, I'll switch to a totally different technique for another 10 days, and back to your one, and so forth...
I'll post my results here....
I will also combine it with LDS in small doses and post my results.

First night:
No LDs, BUT, I had an inexplicable experience; for the first 5 hours of sleep my awareness shifted back and forth from dream to physical focus (intense!!!), and just vivid dreams for the rest of the night....