Thread: On the ego death and marijuana

Originally Posted by Nick89

As far as I'm concerned there were no cases of overdosing this drug - the lethal dosage is very, very high, nowhere close to the amount people usually use. Anyway, I smoked around half a gram, and there were moments during the trip when felt as if I were dying and it appears not tp have been only a mental illusion - my heart rate soar, breathing changed, some parts of my body began pulsing, I could sense the blood flowing through my blood vessels near my ears, close to the brain - like two pulsing balls on both sides of my head. This last sensation increased each time I 'went deeper' into my own sef - I was meditating. The question is: is it common? Did I smoked too much? If I had smoked more, what would have happened, how would I feel? Were all these sensations only an illusion as well? Or they weren't, but anyway that's not dangerous? Is it possible that some other substance had been added to the weed (some people say dealers do this, although on the other hand, it's unprofitable, so I'd like to know whether this is nothing more than a popular misconception)?

It is virtually impossible to overdose on marijuanna. I'm not sure what the actul stats are, but it would be almost impossible to consume that much THC quickly enough in the first place, certainly by smoking at least. It does tend to increase your heart rate, especially in larger amounts, and I've had it create some pretty wierd body sensations, but in the end it's just part of the high.

Originally Posted by Nick89

Now moving on to the trip itself. I took four or five hits from my pipe. A single minute had not passed before my thoughts began repeating themselves in my head. The notion of lying down on my coach and
playing the list of songs prepared before already seemed a bit absurd and abstract, yet I managed to do it. First came Black Sabbath, with it's Sweet Leaf dedicated to marijuana as a brilliant introduction into the psychedelic realm. The music was so alive and intense, the notes began to forms 'words' which tried to express what cannot be expressed... At some point I even began to sense what is commonly called 'synaesthesia' - the music started assuming shapes and colours. I felt as if I was to die in a moment and this feeling was absolutely horrific and yet incredibly pleasant in a way...

Sounds like you just had some really good pot

Originally Posted by Nick89

Recently, I have experimented with cannabis. I had tried it before 3 times as far as I remember, during the last two years or so. The experience was so intense and exquisite that apart from the joy of being high itself it also led me to reflect generally on life and existence. Therefore I would like to briefly describe the trip and then move on to such topics as expanding one's consciousness, spirituality and things related to that.

Before I give an account of the experience of meditation on cannabis, I've got maybe a silly question to those of you who are knowledgable about smoking marijuana.

As far as I'm concerned there were no cases of overdosing this drug - the lethal dosage is very, very high, nowhere close to the amount people usually use. Anyway, I smoked around half a gram, and there were moments during the trip when felt as if I were dying and it appears not tp have been only a mental illusion - my heart rate soar, breathing changed, some parts of my body began pulsing, I could sense the blood flowing through my blood vessels near my ears, close to the brain - like two pulsing balls on both sides of my head. This last sensation increased each time I 'went deeper' into my own sef - I was meditating. The question is: is it common? Did I smoked too much? If I had smoked more, what would have happened, how would I feel? Were all these sensations only an illusion as well? Or they weren't, but anyway that's not dangerous? Is it possible that some other substance had been added to the weed (some people say dealers do this, although on the other hand, it's unprofitable, so I'd like to know whether this is nothing more than a popular misconception)?

I've had this experience with cannabis before, only once as far as i can remember.

The feelings of depersonalization were much greater than usual. It would be hard to describe but it was the coolest and at the time one of the most terrifying experiences i had.

At the same time, my heart began to beat ridiculously fast and it was quit concerning even though i smoked relatively little weed.

Also, i thought it might have been laced with something because i never smoked anything like it before, but my friend who was smoking with me said he didn't feel anything unusual.

So i think our two experiences were quite similar in this regard. I think that was just a sign that you had some really good weed like the guy above said.

By the way if you don't mind me asking. Can you describe what the weed looked like for me? Did it have any purple or orange in it? What color was the weed itself.....Kinda brownish or green?


Anyway that was a great post. I really enjoyed reading it. I hope you will come back and report more of your trips and maybe start trying new (psychedelic) substances. You should look into getting ahold of some Salvia.

Getting depersonalized from weed. Did you smoke with other people and just be your true self or just smoke by yourself?

Seems like too much introversion will cause depersonalization. I've been smoking for years and the only time I get crazy high like that is when I'm thinking too much.

Could you tell me the names of those books you mentioned? They sound really interesting, I've been looking for a bit more reading material lately. -Maybe not them all, since you said you read a lot of them, but the best couple. Thanks in advance!

I enjoyed reading your post. I'm fascinated by this notion:

If one says things like: People are like machines, they think and feel their emotions automatically. Life can be much more than that. or All that you believe in will ultimately prove to be either a lie, or compeletely irrelevant to what the reality really looks like. These are kind of things that I've encountered recently. Not necessarily in De Mello or Tolle's books. Even in Huxley's 'Doors of perception' there is a glimpse of such ideas about the world. Our whole life is an illusion, there is something much greater, much better and we CAN get there, if only we truly WANT to realise that we've been living in a false reality... That's my point of view on life... Have already had some glimpses of an enlightened state, the trick is however, that the so-called enlightenment is such a state that the harder you try to achieve this, the less likely it actually is. Englightment is about no desires, after all.

Teal deer

Try a gravity bong next time.

Anyway that was a great post. I really enjoyed reading it. I hope you will come back and report more of your trips and maybe start trying new (psychedelic) substances. You should look into getting ahold of some Salvia.

I have already tried Salvia at least 10 times, some brilliant experiences, as well. Strangely enough, the one on cannabis I described here was the most amazing of all my trips (although Salvia is much more potent).

Could you tell me the names of those books you mentioned? They sound really interesting, I've been looking for a bit more reading material lately. -Maybe not them all, since you said you read a lot of them, but the best couple. Thanks in advance!

Tolle 'The Power of Now' or De Mello's books, supposedly their English titles are 'The Way To Love' and the other one 'Awarenes' or maybe 'Enlightenment' or 'Awakening'. I read De Mello's books in Polish and I don't know their English titles.

Nick, could you still tell me what type of weed that you smoked?

Or if you don't know, at least describe what it looked like and if it had any colors in it like purple or orange. (That will help me determine what type it is)

wow you guys are lucky, now i smoke and i get high for 20 minutes and then i forget im high and i smoke more,....sheesh i need a break, i can barely differentiate from sober and high anymore cause my tolerance is through the roof lol...

But, occasionally weed makes my legs weak and i feel like dizzy when that happens, its usually late at night when im sleep deprived.

If you had this experience with pot, don't EVER take LSD.

Btw, was the salvia you tried in the past an extract or just plain leaves? makes an enormous difference. you can't trip off just the leaves. you just feel slightly different. off of 80x extract though, it's almost as crazy as DMT... from my own experience at least.

But, thanks for the read. I always love reading new "trip reports". Although, I typically don't read those from pot... since pot is basically like bread to me. It's the top of the food chain and I need at least 6-8 servings per day. lolz.

Originally Posted by Michael

If you had this experience with pot, don't EVER take LSD.

Btw, was the salvia you tried in the past an extract or just plain leaves? makes an enormous difference. you can't trip off just the leaves. you just feel slightly different. off of 80x extract though, it's almost as crazy as DMT... from my own experience at least.

But, thanks for the read. I always love reading new "trip reports". Although, I typically don't read those from pot... since pot is basically like bread to me. It's the top of the food chain and I need at least 6-8 servings per day. lolz.

Weed gave me massively crazy psychedelic experiences the first 10 or so times I tried it as well. Once my mind got used to it the experience became very mild in comparison. I've never tried LSD but I had great experiences on Mescaline and Mushies. I think some people like myself just need to get accustomed to being out of control, weed definitely helped me with that. Though had I done mushrooms first they probably would've sent me right over the edge.

Last trip I had turned me off the psychedelic experience though. I'm grateful for every experience I've had, but now I look towards various meditations to expand awareness (which was my main interest to begin with). I still hit the weed from time to time though (when its free ), and before I die I plan to find and smoke some DMT. Sounds like quite an experience .

Originally Posted by Soros

Nick, could you still tell me what type of weed that you smoked?

Or if you don't know, at least describe what it looked like and if it had any colors in it like purple or orange. (That will help me determine what type it is)

You mean sativa or indica? Well, I don't know, I don't have much experience, anyway, it had no purple or orange, it was green, a bit grayish.

If you had this experience with pot, don't EVER take LSD.

Btw, was the salvia you tried in the past an extract or just plain leaves? makes an enormous difference. you can't trip off just the leaves. you just feel slightly different. off of 80x extract though, it's almost as crazy as DMT... from my own experience at least.

But, thanks for the read. I always love reading new "trip reports". Although, I typically don't read those from pot... since pot is basically like bread to me. It's the top of the food chain and I need at least 6-8 servings per day. lolz.

I smoked 5x extract of salvia. Why shouldn't I ever take LSD?

Originally Posted by hostetjm

Try a gravity bong next time.

You know, this girl introduced me to a gravity bong one time. It was my first time trying a g-bong...i'm still blown away by how high i really got from ONE toke. It was like wow...you know how much money i could save using one of these.

The G-Bong is the real deal. I wonder if a vaporizer is stronger though. Those things are like 700 dollars.

Originally Posted by Speesh

Last trip I had turned me off the psychedelic experience though.

Can you explain this a little?

I haven't got high for many years now, but I can still remember the early experiences (which were the best ones). One thing though.. Nick, you said you had only smoked like 3 times before? I didn't get high at all the first 5 or 6 times I smoked weed. Most people don't. I don;t know though.. that was in the 70's... the weed they have now is insane... it might get you off the 1st time you smoke it.

I remember the way the music used to build caves in your head (that's how we described it). I could feel caverns being opened up and new ones added in response to the music. There was also what we called the gasball effect in the back of your throat.. a sort of tightening feeling that was awesome.

We alo used to put on some kickass music (Nugent is great for it, but I agree with your choice of Black Sabbath) and just lay back with our eyes closed and see visions. It was almost like semi-controlled dreaming. I remember listening to Fool's Overture by Supertramp and watching colored strings dance.

Ahhh... great memories!!

Hey Nick, if you haven't already, you should definitely read some Castaneda!!

You have to separate out a lot of primitive superstitious type beliefs, but there's some good stuff in there, a lot of it about lucid dreaming and tripping on shrooms. Here's extracts of the books posted online:

http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/djintro.html

I like the way this was done.. they just took the words of Don Juan Matus, the old Yaqui indian shaman and wrote them, as if he's talking directly to the reader.

Yeah, I'm just reading my third Castenada book as well. But it needs to be said,
just so that there is no confusion with anyone. Weed and Shrooms are something
entirely different.

Originally Posted by dajo

Can you explain this a little?

Eh, I'll give it a try. The last trip I had was a great one overall, though during the comedown I was ridden with unexpected and severe anxiety that made the entire experience feel very synthetic. Made me think of the drugs as a temporary raising of the mind's baseline. There's certainly many things to be learned there but in the end you're always back to the baseline. I'm more interested now in meditations and similar physical arts to raise that baseline permanently.

Or maybe that's just the fear of more anxiety talking . Actually since I posted that I've been interested in trying some LSD, just cause life's getting a little too boring lately. My mind's interests are always swinging back and forth uncontrollably, so it seems.

I see. I was just interested. I don't think it's really a bad thing
to just concentrate on meditation or alteration of the inner chemical
balance without 'external help'. Even though that meditation and
psychedelics is not really the same thing.

I used to think about how when I've smoked a decent amount, or even just enough to get high, my ego would nearly diminish- I'm not sure if it were my ego exactly but something along the lines of a sustained self conscious within me that had a voice in my decisions, and generally, was always a factor of me stressing over situations more then need be, also made me very absentmindedly judgmental and a sort of perfectionist. I think everyone has something along those lines within them, maybe just simple brain functions - but Marijuana always makes those type's of feelings vanish, and make me feel as if I've overcome an overbearing ego which was used to guard my inner emotions, making me feel more open, real, and accepting. Like you have been saying - almost like meditating.

I thought this before ever reading that there is a documented "ego-death" symptom from weed, so that is to show you Marijuana certainly does play an interesting role in brain function.

Originally Posted by Nick89

Did I smoked too much?

Put down the pipe, son.

I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your post . But I've never done any shrooms, or psychedelics, or drugs, unless you're counting high fructose corn syrup and too much sugar.

Personally, for myself me and I, I'm not comfortable with taking influential substances, unless it is food. And even then, I've cut out caffeine, soda and too much candy because I don't want to be an a sugar high, and I don't want to be addicted to it either. (it got bad! i would go crazy if there wasn't something sweet to eat or drink)

But I understand psychedelic users, so much that when I'm in deep conversation with a user, they don't believe me that I've always been straight out sober! I don't know why I'm able to understand users. My experiences are no where near the intensity of theirs. But maybe I've experienced just enough, a little glimmer, of what they bring back with some of their experiences to believe that it is intrinsically human, and natural. DMT is completely natural after all.

So this whole bad stigma against it, I don't get it. I really don't. I'd much rather hang out with users than drunks. (and I don't hang out with people when they are drunk!)

I'm hoping that as a sober person who understands users, that I can somehow play my part in helping society get over this bad stigma. Because if I can feel the same way that users feel, then what we feel must be transcendent of the drug or shroom!! That said, there is a fine line between an entheogen user intending to blast their mind open, and someone who is avoiding personal issues by being high (drunk). I support the use of entheogens (not avoidance).

PS, I never want to try because I'm convinced I'll be abducted by aliens long story

Originally Posted by juroara

Personally, for myself me and I, I'm not comfortable with taking influential substances, unless it is food.

I'm starting to feel the same way. I'm bored of brownies and shortbread though. It goes great in a lemon butter sauce on pasta dishes.

Originally Posted by jesseheichert

i used to think about how when i've smoked a decent amount, or even just enough to get high, my ego would nearly diminish- i'm not sure if it were my ego exactly but something along the lines of a sustained self conscious within me that had a voice in my decisions, and generally, was always a factor of me stressing over situations more then need be, also made me very absentmindedly judgmental and a sort of perfectionist. I think everyone has something along those lines within them, maybe just simple brain functions - but marijuana always makes those type's of feelings vanish, and make me feel as if i've overcome an overbearing ego which was used to guard my inner emotions, making me feel more open, real, and accepting. Like you have been saying - almost like meditating.

I thought this before ever reading that there is a documented "ego-death" symptom from weed, so that is to show you marijuana certainly does play an interesting role in brain function.

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