Thread: Last nights Salvia trip...

recently, I had a very similar experience. This is actually quite strange to me, because like I always do, I had researched other people's experiences extensively before trying a new drug and none of them prepared me for the experience I had with salvia. Yours, however is very similar to my own. I had the same sensation of a shift in gravity, and that reality had changed. I felt as though I was waking from my life as a dream. I was surrounded by other 'people' who were all aware of what was going on. The physical sensation was as if the world were a conveyor belt, and I was going over the edge and around the other side. The reality I knew was on the top side and I was falling over to the bottom side. I forgot that I had taken a drug, and just about every other conception of reality I had before. The fear was all I was truly aware of and I was grasping at my surroundings trying not to fall over the edge of the world.

What I learned was that in order to make the most of that experience, I will have to overcome my fear and attachment to the world and allow myself to go over the edge without losing control. I feel as though my experience only brushed the very surface of what could have been, and that I have to learn how to forget fear and remain lucid in order to truly experience what salvia may be able to show me.

Salvia makes it where "I" don't even exist any more. There is just some strange pure awareness of being inanimate objects surrounded by animate objects that usually seem inanimate, with all concepts of up, down, here, there, real, not real, inside, and outside being reversed and warped and having no real meaning. I never get emotional on it because there is nothing left to have emotions.

there are things i think you should slowly familiarize yourself with rather than just dive right in... the first time i tried salvia i used a reasonable amount, just to get a feel for what the shift was like. later on when on larger amounts of it, i definitely had the experience of having false memories of my life and this odd feeling, like i didn't know why i ingested it and forgot what the intention was in the first place. but it was really interesting, not terrifying.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What I learned was that in order to make the most of that experience, I will have to overcome my fear and attachment to the world and allow myself to go over the edge without losing control. I feel as though my experience only brushed the very surface of what could have been, and that I have to learn how to forget fear and remain lucid in order to truly experience what salvia may be able to show me.

yeah, i agree with you.

I really enjoyed your post celoude,i love reading trip reports.

I have heard stories from friends who tried salvia but haven't been as lucky in getting some (small town just weed and E).

What's the actual point in salvia? I'm guessing you don't just use it to have a crazy/scary experience where you don't know what reality is. Aren't you supposed to ask questions and find out things? That's what I always thought. So... anyone gathered any information whilst on Salvia? Guess it might be quite hard if you have such an intense trip that you actually forget you're even on the drug!

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What I learned was that in order to make the most of that experience, I will have to overcome my fear and attachment to the world and allow myself to go over the edge without losing control. I feel as though my experience only brushed the very surface of what could have been, and that I have to learn how to forget fear and remain lucid in order to truly experience what salvia may be able to show me.

I know what you mean, I had a very similar experience. It seems as though in a completely foreign state like that we revert to a baseline primal emotion, which in most of our cases is fear. I know a guy who loves salvia, no matter what happens to him on it he always wants to keep doing it. I'm slowly learning how to get into that state but its a very elusive one.


Juuuust in case anyone hasn't seen this one yet (and no, he doesn't actually drive):

"Excuse me, I'm going to space now."

I. . . doubt I'll ever submit to the false enlightenment of hallucinogens. Though it's probably the same as some of my non-lucids, where I get this strong, primal conviction that whatever reveal is made during the dream is some undeniable, all-encompasing truth. The feeling may linger in waking life for a minute or so, but I know it's all bunk.

Originally Posted by Abra

"Excuse me, I'm going to space now."

I. . . doubt I'll ever submit to the false enlightenment of hallucinogens. Though it's probably the same as some of my non-lucids, where I get this strong, primal conviction that whatever reveal is made during the dream is some undeniable, all-encompasing truth. The feeling may linger in waking life for a minute or so, but I know it's all bunk.

then why has LSD been used effectively for psychotherapy? but you did say 'hallucinogens' and not psychedelics, so i'm not sure about that...

Hallucinogens, psychedelics. . . I group them in the same pile, my bad. People tend to use hallucinogens for enlightenment and psychedelic effects.

Could I see your source, for LSD's effectiveness? I want to know what the researchers considered to be "effective" results. A token economy produces more effective results than milieu therapy in patients with schizophrenia, where "effective results" meant that the patient can function normally and fully in daily life, reclaimed social functioning, and responding to questions non-delusionary answers. When confidentially interviewed (without the interference or listening ear of the token-dispensing therapist), the patients revealed that they still had hallucinations, still held their delusions as firmly as before, and only conformed to the therapists' wishes to receive tokens. They could be released back to society and continue functioning well, but internally they'd still be in a state of torment.

I have a feeling that even though drugs would produce emotional satiation in the patient, it still doesn't cure the underlying problem. Replace the word "drugs" with "religion," which over the centuries has also proven to be "effective" psychotherapy, and you'll see what I mean.

there are entire books on the subject.

the first one that comes to mind is 'center of the cyclone' by john lilly. i don't know of any good internet resources right now on the subject.

Damn, this is very similar to the few bad acid trips I've had. Mostly that realization that my friends aren't who I thought they were. But upon reflection I realize it's not that they aren't who I thought they were, it's more that I want them to be different in some way. Most of my friends use drugs just to get high. They smoke weed every day. They have no interest in expanding their consciousness and if I talk about related topics they get bored or uneasy. A few of them feel as if drugs have made them dumber, but really don't care. When I realize that my friends are like this and in some sense don't have the same aspirations I get nervous. I get nervous that I'm going to waste all my time with them, slowly become like them, and never accomplish anything substantial with my music. It's really a fear that I will lose my true self by venturing among these false selves. But when I stop taking drugs long enough I realize that this is the experience I've been having most of my life. Most people weather on drugs or not are interacting with other people in an inauthentic way. They are in a situation to get something out of a situation and thus miss the situation. It's very hard to get to those points where you can just sit and be a part of it all, completely detached from the outcome of life. I've been able to experience this while on drugs quite a few times. And when you achieve this state in some sense you see the truth of your situation. And in some sense the truth of your situation might be that your friends are taking drugs to stay asleep, you have just in some sense awakened and realized that spending time with them was keeping you in a pattern of habits that was keeping you asleep and now you want to get away and thus break the pattern.

I personally like using drugs the most when I use them as a creative or introspective tool. I find that when I use drugs with people who use drugs for those purpose (even if not exclusively for those purposes) that I generally feel good about the experience. I feel like I'm doing something worth while. With other people sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my life and I walk away feeling somewhat used.

This may not in any way describe your trip or life, but reading your trip certainly gave me some insights into some of my own trips.

Not to DP but I think you have it completely backwards abra. LSD does not make you happy. If you are unhappy and you take LSD it's gonna be bad, real bad. LSD causes extreme distortions of perceptions using the same mechanizm's that your brain constantly uses to cause slight distortions in perception. I don't think I could accuratley describe these mechanizms in this space, but it seems to be common knowledge that our perceptions are flawed. Psychedelics seem to temporarily exploit these mechanizms which can give insight into them. That is how we learn about ourselves using drugs. I'm definetly no expert on schizophrenia, but I don't see why things wouldn't work the same way for them.

Originally Posted by cygnus

there are entire books on the subject.

the first one that comes to mind is 'center of the cyclone' by john lilly. i don't know of any good internet resources right now on the subject.

Someone posted a thread about a national geographic documentary on LSD, this covers that area quite well, as well as being a good watch in general, If I can find it i'll post a link

EDIT: article http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=85311

Everytime I smoke salvia I always have the mindset of "My reality was just a figment of my own imagination. I'm in a different universe now, and I'll never get back." I usually try to fight it and try and go back though. I'm ganna try to stay calm next time and go with the flow. Who knows what will happen.

Originally Posted by Abra

I have a feeling that even though drugs would produce emotional satiation in the patient, it still doesn't cure the underlying problem. Replace the word "drugs" with "religion," which over the centuries has also proven to be "effective" psychotherapy, and you'll see what I mean.

It's quite the opposite, though.
What psychotherapists liked about treatment with LSD was that it explored
the entire subconscious and could rather easily identify the underlying problem,
opposed to covering it up. It's a lot about intention, as well.

Mostly you don't learn thaaat much about the universe, but rather about your
own nature. And this is what helped patients see their problems in a different
light. They understood what caused the emotions, where they came from and
could then overcome or control them.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Everytime I smoke salvia I always have the mindset of "My reality was just a figment of my own imagination. I'm in a different universe now, and I'll never get back." I usually try to fight it and try and go back though. I'm ganna try to stay calm next time and go with the flow. Who knows what will happen.

Yah, thats essentially what it is like for me. Never get back.

Mood makes ALL the difference in the world when dealing with psychedelics. I know this from weed.

If your in a happy, good mood, your trip 9times out of 10 will be enjoyable....maybe even enlightening

But if you are depressed or in a bad mood, or anxious before taking psychedelics...oh man...

with weed it's one thing...fear starts to manifest in the form of chaotic thoughts...

but having a bad trip on SALVIA, actually seeing the fear in 3d form, experiencing it, the panic..the insanity.....i wouldn't wish that on anyone.