Thread: Pros and Cons of a North American Union

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I'm pretty sure some of you have heard about NAU. Where do you stand on this?

I really don't see this as a bad thing when you think about it. I mean there MAY be some bad things, but in the end the pros far out-weigh the cons.

IMHO, I think this is definitely a great opportunity. It's a chance for change, unity, AND expansion. It's a chance for cultural integration. AND stronger military..that can be nothing but good. Also with the way science/technology and spirituality is merging and advancing/spreading. A techno-utopia may be a possible future.

I think I seen a post in the lounge, where they already have the hovercraft prototype.

You're talking like it actually is going to happen :/

Although if it did it would probably be a good thing to counteract the concentrated america of the USA

I think I seen a post in the lounge, where they already have the a flying car prototype.

wat

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

IMHO, I think this is definitely a great opportunity. It's a chance for change, unity, AND expansion. It's a chance for cultural integration. AND stronger military..that can be nothing but good. Also with the way science/technology and spirituality is merging and advancing/spreading. A techno-utopia may be a possible future.

...really?

No, I would oppose this.

Originally Posted by dajo

...really?

No, I would oppose this.

Yeah, I'm not sure where he thought military expansion was implicitly a good thing :/

If we are talking about the nations of north America (U.S.A and Canada) combining to form one nation, then I am all for it. Not only would it mean an economic gain for both countries, (although sorting out what the laws of the new nation would be might be a mess) it would be one step nearer to the one world goverment.

This one world government would see an end to alot of the problems of the world, plus, if we could combine ourselves into one scientific and economic machine then there is no limit to what we, as members of the human race, could achieve.

Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

If we are talking about the nations of north America (U.S.A and Canada) combining to form one nation, then I am all for it. Not only would it mean an economic gain for both countries, (although sorting out what the laws of the new nation would be might be a mess) it would be one step nearer to the one world goverment.

Don't forget Mexico!

Ha, Mexico is like the weird friend who they had to invite along but is just awkward.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Don't forget Mexico!

Ha, Mexico is like the weird friend who they had to invite along but is just awkward.

Well mexico is technically central America, so I didn't think it was included. As far as I'm concerned though, Mexico can come too. In fact all the countries of the world should just plan on being a part of the one world Government in the next Ten years and begin working out the kinks.

Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

Well mexico is technically central America, so I didn't think it was included. As far as I'm concerned though, Mexico can come too. In fact all the countries of the world should just plan on being a part of the one world Government in the next Ten years and begin working out the kinks.

I'm ok with this.

I don't know about a one world government, that would actually be detrimental to several countries out there that are only seen as resources for richer countries

But I don't mind some sort of union between all the North American nations and provinces. That includes Central America.




The reason why I don't mind is because for the large part all of these nations have similar values and interrelated histories. And several US citizens have family members from all around the caribbean and central America. Because our hispanic population in the US is so high, it intimately unites us with the rest of the hispanic nations in North America.

The US can learn a lot from its southern neighbors, like Costa Rica which has chosen to spend it's money on the people and the environment rather than an agressive military. And by realizing we are a North American family, we can heal old wounds and better aid nations like Haiti, as well as help Haiti bring back it's natural environment, because a nation with no natural environment is destined to be poor forever.

The US already has an intimate relationship with Mexico, thanks to all the mexican descendants born in the US. This whole border war is just absoute nonsense, and the entire way we treat mexican immigrants needs to be changed. We should learn from our border towns that simply views the other side as friendly neighbors.

The other reason why we need a good union between the US, Mexico and Canada is to conserve the precious ecosystems of North America. Environmentalists are now arguing that while national parks are good and all, because they are isolated they actually prevent life from being able to better cope and evolve with the changing times. By isolating life into confined parks, we actually seal their fate. Environmentalists are proposing that we need to conserve an area of land that goes up into Canada and all the way south into Mexico. This continous undisturbed ecosystem crossing three nations will help guarantee that North America remains beautiful. Therefore, at least for the environments sake, we need the cooperation between these three nations

I believe a union between all of North America would be good, and can even lead to friendlier and more supportive relationships in South America, really realizing the legend the condor and the eagle. But what kind of union? I don't know. A single currency? I don't know. But I think it might be interesting if we did have more than one kind of currency. Other nations have introduced more than one kind of currency, and its helping to keep individuals out of abject poverty.

excellent post juroara.

I didn't know there are countries with more than one type of currency. That sounds good. Especially if it helps poverty.

I wonder why Japan is always ahead of us, as far as technology and economy- wise

So despite the problematic government(s) we have now...you want one that encompasses three countries.

Oppose and a half.

Wait yeah... isn't this the guy who comes up with paranoid government conspiracies all the time??

Confused much?

A horrible idea. Why would we give control of our government, even just parts of it, to other countries? Why should they get a say in what we can or can not do? If they want to join in as states, then I am all for it. But none of this union stuff.

I like Canada like it is. No need to get USA mess it all up. I like living in a peaceful country. Thank you very much!

Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

I like Canada like it is. No need to get USA mess it all up. I like living in a peaceful country. Thank you very much!

+2

Also i don't think Quebec would like the prospect of being "integrated" with a country of 300 million anglophones. Nor English Canada for that matter.

Originally Posted by Juroara

The US already has an intimate relationship with Mexico, thanks to all the mexican descendants born in the US. This whole border war is just absoute nonsense, and the entire way we treat mexican immigrants needs to be changed. We should learn from our border towns that simply views the other side as friendly neighbors.

So, are you suggesting the US let every single Mexican that wants to migrate to the US to do so?

Cultural integration is only "good" in educated societies. If you've seen much of
Los Angeles, your outlook on cultural integration probably isn't going to be all
that positive. In schools, however, it's wonderful. The fact that the world
outside of school (in the US, at least) doesn't work that way should say
something about the level of education and tolerance of the general public.

I'm not really for or against the idea of a union, as I don't know what the end
result would be.

I'm not very taken by the idea of governments and countries merging... it inevitably leads to the whole "One world government" thing, which I consider a bad idea due to the loss of unique culture in the process and the homogenization of the planet. :/

And don't even get me started on the whole "1984" thing.

Just an opinion.

If any Union were to happen, it'd take forever to actually acheive it.

And also I think that only the strongest nations/countries are those who spend a good amount of money into their military.

If there is such intentions to create a North American Union, the motives are pure evil.

But yea... Let's unite......AND build up the military industrial complex!!! YEAAAA now we're rockin'!!! As if the two didn't completely contradict each other. We're such a versatile species...

Originally Posted by Soros

+2

Also i don't think Quebec would like the prospect of being "integrated" with a country of 300 million anglophones. Nor English Canada for that matter.



So, are you suggesting the US let every single Mexican that wants to migrate to the US to do so?

I suggest we re-evaluate what it is we are trying to do and why. And what it means to be a US citizen. And if having a better relationship with Mexico would actually prevent the need for Mexicans to desperately seek work here

Shit man, the illuminati has gotten it's claws in you.

I think the NAU is fucking ludicris. I don't see it happening, but if it does, then I'm going to start working on building my underwater fortress so I can survive the appoclypse.

How would this improve anything? The only way this could improve anything is by being a miserable failure and showing the people of this country how badly their government is raping them. If anything, I think states should start seceding.

Is Canada really that fucking sweet? I thought it was, but the guy from A Silver Mount Zion says it's fairly similar to US and that's been my experience, but I've only been there for very short trips(and when I was 4).

NAU is already here guys, the north american union agreement was signed by george bush felippe calderon and the pres of canada

it is called the security and prosperity partnership SPP of 200#..(forgot the exact year)

So technically we are in the infant stages of the union, there won't be a vote on it anyway because the government feels it does not need our permission or approval.

This NAU will erase illegal immigration as a law, and will destroy our sovereignty...

ALSO, it will nullify the US constitution, because a north american constitution will be written along with many other sovereign things will be destroyed, its the end of america as we know it.


I am against it, incase you didn't notice

It is NOT going to help the economy
It is NOT a good idea
It is NOT a benevolent step towards NWO but a malevolent step towards a more 1984'ish world government
(oceania, eurasia, eastasia)

I know that some of you will just say take the tinfoil hat off but im going to ignore those head in the sand dimwits.

if you naive people haven't noticed yet, when you give an entity that has much power, more power...what is the result?

more abuse results, more corruption, more lies, more propaganda and more loss of civil liberties, as usual.


I think they should rename the bill of rights, they might as well call it the the BILL OF TEMPORARY PRIVILEGES.

Originally Posted by guerilla

NAU is already here guys, the north american union agreement was signed by george bush felippe calderon and the pres of canada

it is called the security and prosperity partnership SPP of 200#..(forgot the exact year)

So technically we are in the infant stages of the union, there won't be a vote on it anyway because the government feels it does not need our permission or approval.

This NAU will erase illegal immigration as a law, and will destroy our sovereignty...

ALSO, it will nullify the US constitution, because a north american constitution will be written along with many other sovereign things will be destroyed, its the end of america as we know it.


I am against it, incase you didn't notice

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was a region-level dialogue with the stated purpose of providing greater cooperation on security and economic issues.

The stated goals of the SPP were cooperation and information sharing, improving productivity, reducing the costs of trade, enhancing the joint stewardship of the environment, facilitating agricultural trade while creating a safer and more reliable food supply, and protecting people from disease.

It was intended to assist, rather than replace, existing bilateral and trilateral institutions like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and to work towards the three North American countries working cooperatively in the face of common risks and economic competition from low cost comulti-modal transportation system along the International Mid-Continent Trade Corridor to improving both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America.

North American Facilitation of Transportation, Trade, Reduced Congestion & Security (NAFTRACS) was a three phase pilot project designed to focus on business processes and information as freight is transported from buyers to sellers. The project was intended to create a partnership between businesses and local, state, and federal governments, while claiming to foster cooperation among the same entities.

In August 2009, the SPP website was updated to say: "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) is no longer an active initiative. There will not be any updates to this site."

Currently, the website calls itself an archive for SPP documents and announces: "Going forward, we want to build on the accomplishments achieved by the SPP and further improve our cooperation."



In short, you're talking bullshit.

hes not talking ALL BS. I mean...we cant even trust the UN to not falsify data about global warming...how are we going to trust any union that erases sovereignty?