Thread: A researched argument for drug legalization

I don't think you'll get any sensible argument here. I doubt anyone can make a rational case for keeping drugs illegal.

well there are some things reasons against it. Them being that they are addictive and that many drugs are deadly. Not to mention kids...

That is why I mentioned that we should have the government control it.

Well, imo the drugs that are bad need to be legalized first, the more dangerous the drug the better results through legalization, all the harm associated with drugs comes from its legal status, and addictive properties..

But if government regulated hard hard drugs, overdoses would come down dramatically...and addiction also...as for pot...pot should be sold like alcohol, in gas stations or...whereever.

Originally Posted by aceofspades

well there are some things reasons against it. Them being that they are addictive and that many drugs are deadly. Not to mention kids...

That is why I mentioned that we should have the government control it.

Tobacco.
Alcohol.
Over-the-counter drugs.
Ritalin.

Why the fuck are these legal, then?

Wait, what?

Originally Posted by guerilla

Well, imo the drugs that are bad need to be legalized first, the more dangerous the drug the better results through legalization, all the harm associated with drugs comes from its legal status, and addictive properties..

You think addictions of drugs like meth and heroin would go down if they became legal?

I mean from what you said it seems like you think the harm and addictions of those drugs will decrease once legalized, I don't get how you come to that conclusion.

Originally Posted by guerilla

But if government regulated hard hard drugs, overdoses would come down dramatically...and addiction also...as for pot...pot should be sold like alcohol, in gas stations or...whereever.

They already try to regulate them, addictions and overdoses still happen. All the government will ever be able to do is try to regulate.

If they (drugs) were legalized in my opinion, more people would do them, especially the people that didn't use them in the first place because of them being illegal.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Tobacco.
Alcohol.
Over-the-counter drugs.
Ritalin.

Why the fuck are these legal, then?

Morning Glory Seeds

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

You think addictions of drugs like meth and heroin would go down if they became legal?

I mean from what you said it seems like you think the harm and addictions of those drugs will decrease once legalized, I don't get how you come to that conclusion.



They already try to regulate them, addictions and overdoses still happen. All the government will ever be able to do is try to regulate.

If they (drugs) were legalized in my opinion, more people would do them, especially the people that didn't use them in the first place because of them being illegal.

you see I think that is a myth. People don't make the decision not to take a drug based on whether or not its illegal. Thats the last thing they think about.

people are going to take drugs anyways. The problem is not the people who get addicted to drugs...its the gang violence that is caused by it. It is destroying our economy and taking away a lot of money from our economy.

I never said overdoes and addictions won't happen but they would be reduced.

I also stated that some drugs cannot be moderated and are too deadly to let people take. For example like you said...meth and herion. Meth is by fr the worst drug ever. Those kind of drugs that simply are not safe and can fry your brain the first time you use them.

Deadly Drugs
Now that the government has control over the drug trade they can eliminate the most deadly drugs. This means meth, ecstasy, heroine, oxycotton, etc. These drugs are easy to OD and there is no safe way to use these drugs. No One has ever been a casual user of these drugs and they have obvious effects on the brain. They kill brain cells and are just horrible. Now that the government has control you can only get these illegally. Sure this goes back to the main problem of forbidding but people can be educated and why these are simply not drugs that will have any benefit for you. You can smoke marijuana before a movie and you have the benefit of being all trippy and not really having any consequences.
The American people are not that stupid. The government has been able to curve meth by showing ads of meth heads. That and since you can get other drugs legally it just doesn’t make sense to get these drugs.

Like I said by making other non-lethal drugs we can cause people to steer away from those lethal drugs. Not only because they are not legal and you wouldn't be able to get them but also because their would be other less deadly drugs that will take the place of those.

Last time I checked their has never been an overdose of marijuana.

Deadly Drugs
Now that the government has control over the drug trade they can eliminate the most deadly drugs. This means meth, ecstasy, heroine, oxycotton, etc. These drugs are easy to OD and there is no safe way to use these drugs. No One has ever been a casual user of these drugs and they have obvious effects on the brain. They kill brain cells and are just horrible. Now that the government has control you can only get these illegally. Sure this goes back to the main problem of forbidding but people can be educated and why these are simply not drugs that will have any benefit for you. You can smoke marijuana before a movie and you have the benefit of being all trippy and not really having any consequences.
The American people are not that stupid. The government has been able to curve meth by showing ads of meth heads. That and since you can get other drugs legally it just doesn’t make sense to get these drugs.

You do realise that this is the exact same argument presented by prohibitionists about cannabis et cetera? Instead of wanting to force your views about a large group of drugs upon the public, you want to force your views about a subset of that group upon the public. It's the same principle, where you seem to believe that others should be coercively subject to your judgment about thier private activities.

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Originally Posted by archdreamer

You do realise that this is the exact same argument presented by prohibitionists about cannabis et cetera? Instead of wanting to force your views about a large group of drugs upon the public, you want to force your views about a subset of that group upon the public. It's the same principle, where you seem to believe that others should be coercively subject to your judgment about thier private activities.

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There just is no safe way to use those drugs I'm sorry. And like I said those drugs are way too easy to OD on and way too easy to ruin people.

I am just saying that we should have non-lethal drugs available so that the lethal drugs can be rooted out.

edit: im sure their has been exceptions too that. But its pretty much impossible to be a casual user of those.

So who, then, I ask you, should have the authority to decide which drugs are categorized as 'lethal' or 'non-lethal', and should be empowered to force others to fall in line with this decision?

Well....narcotics (+meth).

So, yourself then?

(You did not answer the question)

Deadly Drugs
Now that the government has control over the drug trade they can eliminate the most deadly drugs. This means meth, ecstasy, heroine, oxycotton, etc. These drugs are easy to OD and there is no safe way to use these drugs. No One has ever been a casual user of these drugs and they have obvious effects on the brain.

I'm calling bullshit here. My friends have been using XTC casually for years without problem, and we're all college educated, intelligent people. It's only harmful if you have no fucking idea what you're doing with it. Understand the science behind its effects, and how to stay safe with it (drink a lot of water, go take a piss every 60-90 minutes, don't take too much in one hit) and you'll be fine.

XTC uses up the serotonin in your brain at remarkably high speed, hence the euphoric feeling. Serotonin takes at least 2 weeks for your brain to get back its full supply. Ergo, if you stagger your pill popping to once-in-a-fortnight intervals, you won't have any nasty side effects. Hell, the worst side effect I've had is sore teeth, entirely my own fault because I chewed a mouthful of ice just to prove I couldn't feel the cold anymore (a lesson I've definitely learned from).

It's the hardcore dickheads that slam back ten 90% pure pills, chase it with tequilla, then drink NO WATER all night that end up frying their brain and convulsing on club dance floors. They give the rest of us a bad name and give more ammo to the anti-drug lobby to 'protect the children from themselves'.

Your well researched argument requires more research, clearly.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I'm calling bullshit here. My friends have been using XTC casually for years without problem, and we're all college educated, intelligent people. It's only harmful if you have no fucking idea what you're doing with it. Understand the science behind its effects, and how to stay safe with it (drink a lot of water, go take a piss every 60-90 minutes, don't take too much in one hit) and you'll be fine.

XTC uses up the serotonin in your brain at remarkably high speed, hence the euphoric feeling. Serotonin takes at least 2 weeks for your brain to get back its full supply. Ergo, if you stagger your pill popping to once-in-a-fortnight intervals, you won't have any nasty side effects. Hell, the worst side effect I've had is sore teeth, entirely my own fault because I chewed a mouthful of ice just to prove I couldn't feel the cold anymore (a lesson I've definitely learned from).

It's the hardcore dickheads that slam back ten 90% pure pills, chase it with tequilla, then drink NO WATER all night that end up frying their brain and convulsing on club dance floors. They give the rest of us a bad name and give more ammo to the anti-drug lobby to 'protect the children from themselves'.

Your well researched argument requires more research, clearly.

well i guess I was wrong about ectasy.

thanks

although I still really really don't think narcotics (in their actual definition) can be used safely. And of course meth. Meth is just a pile of shit bought OTC and random household chemicals brewed up in a trailer. I'm sure meth that is actually pure (if their is such thing) isn't as devastating but its pretty rare.

And btw sorry I just kinda put a few in their. i think the only drugs that should be illegal are narcotics.

Hey but thanks if i ever do take ectasy for some stupid reason I'll remember to do that. So basically once every 2 weeks max. So are you pre-med or something?

Originally Posted by aceofspades

you see I think that is a myth. People don't make the decision not to take a drug based on whether or not its illegal. Thats the last thing they think about.

I make my decision based off of its legal status. If I do drugs I get fired from my job because we have random periodic drug tests.

Doesn't it stand to reason that many drug addicts don't seek help for their addictions because they know they'll get sent to jail if they tell anyone? And hence, wouldn't it also stand to reason that legalized drugs would increase the frequency of people seeking help, and thus decrease the incidence of ODs and ruined lives?

I think if drugs were legalized, it would be possible to get pure coke, speed, or herion for about the same price as some poorly cut shit. Because of this, I think there would be a jump in the number of addicts at first, then a gradually decrease over time. After a few years they would be much lower than now. Information is the key. People need accurate info on drugs, then the number of addicts will decrease.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Doesn't it stand to reason that many drug addicts don't seek help for their addictions because they know they'll get sent to jail if they tell anyone? And hence, wouldn't it also stand to reason that legalized drugs would increase the frequency of people seeking help, and thus decrease the incidence of ODs and ruined lives?

I've never known a drug addict to go to jail when seeking help from rehab centers or other places that help with drug addiction.

Originally Posted by aceofspades

Hey but thanks if i ever do take ectasy for some stupid reason I'll remember to do that. So basically once every 2 weeks max. So are you pre-med or something?

I'm not pre-med but I am well-read. We don't take it for 'stupid reasons' either We take it because it enhances a good night by amping up your sensory input (and it's cheaper than alcohol by a long shot). I haven't tried it yet, but I'm told having sex on E is so good it can make you pass out from the pleasure.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I'm not pre-med but I am well-read. We don't take it for 'stupid reasons' either We take it because it enhances a good night by amping up your sensory input (and it's cheaper than alcohol by a long shot). I haven't tried it yet, but I'm told having sex on E is so good it can make you pass out from the pleasure.

I've heard that too, still that'd be a little bit dangerous since E increases your body temperature. I don't know if it's already been stated in this thread, but in rave parties where they have the sprinkler systems on, that's from people taking E to keep them cool.

Fun fact, in case someone didn't know!

I don;t know if I really wanna do E. But I would do a molly. But E is cut with speed and other shit some times. They really should legalize stuff like that, just so that people actually know for sure what they are getting. Pills are always a risky thing to buy on the street.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I'm not pre-med but I am well-read. We don't take it for 'stupid reasons' either We take it because it enhances a good night by amping up your sensory input (and it's cheaper than alcohol by a long shot). I haven't tried it yet, but I'm told having sex on E is so good it can make you pass out from the pleasure.

well in my case it would be a stupid reason

Pure MDMA is where the love is.