Thread: Revolution can only be achieved by love!

What I think is often meant with this love at this state is that the 'system'
or 'establishment' needs love, empathy or at least an understanding beyond
the own individual at its basis to in the end function without just the abuse
of others, destruction of other cultures and raping of the planet.

This needs to be a basis for any 'big-scale system' to work, IF you indeed want
to get something good out of it in the end. So if you start a revolution with
hatred towards others, albeit the enemy, in the end you will just achieve that.
And this shows in history in my opinion, when so often the liberators become
even worse opressors than the dictator they replaced.

Edit: Oh, and in addition - the idea to conquer a military force beyond imagination,
or even protecting your rights against the same, with waving your pistol at them is
equally redicolous. Not accepting the same as an authority means to not act on or
towards them.

No what we mean by love is anything other than fear or worry..or stress over the NWO, because your only attracting more of it. That's why mainstream news is dangerous.

You attract what you focus on. You focus on what you do want, and love, happiness, laughter and fun than you effect the unified field of consciousness. Your thoughts and expectations reach other people and so and so on. They've been planning this for thousands of years, and now the answer is clear what to do to beat them..it's simple really..don't worry about it! Live in the moment, be happy, enjoy life. It's really that simple. Stressing about a NWO is being a slave to time. Like someone had in their signature which I thought was great, if you want to piss off big brother just be satisfied at every moment.

We can use our full capacities for creative movement toward a conscious future. And it all starts with you. Ever heard of the phrase be the change you want to see in the world.

How does someone effect the unified field of consciousness? What evidence do you have that even suggests this exists?
They've been planning this for thousands of years? I understand taking the mainstream news we get fed with a pinch of salt as its evident those in power have an agenda, but where do you get your sources from that speak of and detail this plan that is thousands of years in the making? Surely everything your saying with such confidence, is merely conjecture?

...HardWired,...
You certainly seem free of the notions of the NWO.

And you can't possibly speak for all. It's not the Internet Community,
who came up with "love and politics". And there is a difference between
love and non-acknowledgement, also. All of this stuff is not 'news'.

When you're done with your 'populist scare tactics', then we can
get to the part of the change that you so want to see in everybody.
I don't see you creating posts about expressionalist art or anything
alike, positive and creative. Really, take some time and ponder
something that can't be found in a film about esoterics or conspiracy.
I enjoy that stuff as well, but c'mon, lighten up a bit.

Take with grain of salt, I'm not attacking, just doing some critical analysis.
You are, of course, free to do what you want and I am not judging

Originally Posted by imran_p

How does someone effect the unified field of consciousness? What evidence do you have that even suggests this exists?

John Hagelin speaks about his theory:

He's clearly got a good knowledge of physics, but his speculation is mostly nonsense.

He uses phrases like 'levels of intelligence' to describe the grand unified field but never defines them. To me it's just empty words.

The evidence is that intelligence arises from the physical embodiment of discrete mathematical systems; the neural networks that are our brains. The fact that our neurons are in fact relatively macroscopic and not related to the unified field is in fact a very big philosophical problem, but no, the answer does not lie in a 'unification of consciousness', because consciousness is discrete. That's why it's so brilliant; there exists an 'I' that experiences, and which is distinct from everything else.

The superstring, or unified field he speaks of in the first video is the universal mind. It's the stuff that binds everything, some call it love, some call it source energy, reiki, life force, consciousness, chinese call it Qi/Chi, etc. This is where intuition, inspiration and new ideas comes from. The universal mind is a state of pure awareness and no thoughts. You can also think of it as a "hive-mind" for everything that has ever existed, currently exists or will ever will exist. You can reach this state with deep meditation ( which is very hard to do), through NDE's, and certain psychedelic drugs. This isn't new, this has been known in the eastern world for so long.

If you believe in something, i.e. organized religion, YOU give it power to exist !! Its true that what we see we perceive to be true, but if WE STOP believing in say what the government has told us via martial law, new world order it will cease to exist. We will then take back our power.

People are only interested in what's right IN FRONT of them, when actually ALL that matter is how you feel INSIDE yourself.. That's the place where the greatest, biggest and most powerful powers is found. In BELIEVING. Just look into the "Placebo Effect", this is scientifically acceptable. Beliefs do things.

The New World Order will not succeed, unless you believe it will or you fear it.

Originally Posted by Xei

He's clearly got a good knowledge of physics, but his speculation is mostly nonsense.

He uses phrases like 'levels of intelligence' to describe the grand unified field but never defines them. To me it's just empty words.

The evidence is that intelligence arises from the physical embodiment of discrete mathematical systems; the neural networks that are our brains. The fact that our neurons are in fact relatively macroscopic and not related to the unified field is in fact a very big philosophical problem, but no, the answer does not lie in a 'unification of consciousness', because consciousness is discrete. That's why it's so brilliant; there exists an 'I' that experiences, and which is distinct from everything else.

I don't know. Out of the quantum physicists I heard, I thought there were
a bunch of them with better points, but not a single one could manage to
actually describe it, without being philosophical. (Or very technical)

Even though they are going into a similar direction.

Also I have read some stuff that stated that consciousness is only partly
located in the brain, but also in the rest of the body. Hm, I'm still reading.
At the least, there still is scientific controversy on that part.

If someone cares: John Hagelin together with David Lynch () founded
the first 'University of Peace' a little while ago, with a focus on going within.
So they, amongst other things of course, like an education as far as I know,
they do practice, teach and focus on various meditation techniques.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

So we're in the process of being formed into the New World Order currently, if you didn't know. The approaching consciousness shift I believe has to do with us realizing how pathetic our current way of life actually is. Think about it people, things like money, celebrities, porn, video games, T.V, everything is one big distraction from keeping us from realizing the truth. Now I'm sort of a hypocrite because I endulge in those material things as much as the next person because it's impossible to live in this world the way it is without some of them. We need to love everyone and everything as if it were ourselves! If people start going out and protesting or blowing up buildings in the name of the people, they're going to use that against us. There has been a plan to bring martial law into the U.S for some time now and us rioting and doing things like that would just justify it. None of this has happened but we are on the brink. Love endlessly, live for the moment, turn off your T.V and quit money grubbing and help the world move toward a higher, more enlightened consciouness!

I love your philosophy. Your paragraph has pretty much summed up everything I ever wanted to tell society. Well, not everything, but the key principles. But do not feel guilty about indulging in worldly things in moderation because these are some of the only things that make life actually worth living. They should be appreciated as delicate gifts, not as iron advisaries.

Ps. I have no idea who you are, but I love you!

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

This is obviously NWO propaganda.

I'm not saying stick a flower in the barrel of a soldiers gun, as some of you seem to think that that's what I'm trying to say. Love is an energy that has many names such as chi or reiki like stated previously. It is the force that sustains the universe and brings about spiritual evolution. If you have ever heard of Alex Collier or Billy Meier and listened in depth to what the pleadieans or andromedans have told them, this is what I would like for the world, though who knows what will happen.

I also agree with you on not buying into the fear and anger the NWO tries to constantly enstill in us. That being said, I also believe that there must be some turning point, they won't simply stop trying if we ignore them.

Who knows what's in store for the planet earth in the next few decades, all I'm trying to say is don't react the way the want & expect you to.

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

"Achieved by love." What does that mean? Love who? If this does happen, I'd like to see the look on your face when your pot-smoke-aired sit-ins decorated with hearts and smiley faces are dispersed by tear gas and fully armed entry units.

If someone attempts to take away your rights and dissolve your government with the intentions of creating a totalitarian world state without your consent, you don't love them. You shoot them. In the face.

if you believe you must murder to win back your rights then they have already won

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

"Achieved by love." What does that mean? Love who? If this does happen, I'd like to see the look on your face when your pot-smoke-aired sit-ins decorated with hearts and smiley faces are dispersed by tear gas and fully armed entry units.

If someone attempts to take away your rights and dissolve your government with the intentions of creating a totalitarian world state without your consent, you don't love them. You shoot them. In the face.

mmm, didn't you learn anything from MLK?

Originally Posted by Xei

That's why it's so brilliant; there exists an 'I' that experiences, and which is distinct from everything else.

That's partially true, Xei, and as usual, you present excellent points. That said, there are exceptions to that theory. Take an angry mob for example. It is comprised of ordinary individuals- many or most of which who would never do anything on their own to harm anyone. And yet, when they all come together, as a whole, they do things. Terrible things. Burn buildings, start riots, beat down and attack police (while they are able) etc.

That alone obviously doesn't prove the idea of a collective conscious on the level that most people refer to it, but it does disprove that each individual is not necessarily distinct and isolated on a mental subconscious level from anyone. Take also for example the rapport-building technique of mirroring. It's something that the person being affected by won't notice. But they will begin to move with you. They may even start a conversation. This is not a coincidence. I'm not claiming it to be anything mystical- I know for a fact that it is pure science, based on subconscious triggers that cause people to react- which is my point.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Also, like I said before, there must be a balance. I think with people as purely evil as the nutjob elites running the NWO, love in any amount will not sway them.

AWARENESS!

Awareness will stop them. In my opinion, one of the biggest reasons the Nazi movement in Germany to kill all those jews worked, is that almost no one (or at least a completely tiny minority) knew what was really happening.

Well same deal in America right now. The fucking news. The stupid shit in the media. Reality tv. "Entertainment" which is really designed to distract your critical thinking. Dumb you down. And on a majority of Americans (previously definitely including me) it works. If everyone wakes up and realizes wtf is going on soon enough, there will be a much easier time of combating it.

The other thing is, everyone is so preoccupied with the insane things that are going on with the NWO that have already come to pass, that no one realizes the measures that are already being taken to STOP it. In may of this year, 20 states were declaring sovereignty from the federal government. Look up the interviews on youtube.

Unfortunately, gun control is the next huge huge huge issue. We must protect things like internet neutrality (if you don't know what it is LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW), and gun control first and foremost. "Love" can come after I say.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

The superstring, or unified field he speaks of in the first video is the universal mind. It's the stuff that binds everything, some call it love, some call it source energy, reiki, life force, consciousness, chinese call it Qi/Chi, etc. This is where intuition, inspiration and new ideas comes from. The universal mind is a state of pure awareness and no thoughts. You can also think of it as a "hive-mind" for everything that has ever existed, currently exists or will ever will exist. You can reach this state with deep meditation ( which is very hard to do), through NDE's, and certain psychedelic drugs. This isn't new, this has been known in the eastern world for so long.

If you believe in something, i.e. organized religion, YOU give it power to exist !! Its true that what we see we perceive to be true, but if WE STOP believing in say what the government has told us via martial law, new world order it will cease to exist. We will then take back our power.

People are only interested in what's right IN FRONT of them, when actually ALL that matter is how you feel INSIDE yourself.. That's the place where the greatest, biggest and most powerful powers is found. In BELIEVING. Just look into the "Placebo Effect", this is scientifically acceptable. Beliefs do things.

The New World Order will not succeed, unless you believe it will or you fear it.

You're doing it again. Preaching about your conspiracy theories and psuedo sicence. What I'm asking you is, how you are so confident that the NWO exists, how long they've been planning this and your magical way of beating a global force powerful beyond our imagination? The way I see it there are those, (the majority) that simply believe what they are told by the government and large corporations, lies, and mistruths, told to trick the populace into obedience, they keep us busy with consumerist bullshit and distract us with trivial non-issues, like politics. Then there are others, that when realising this, decide to engorss themselves in conspiracy theories, instead, you need to admitt your own ingorance, you know fuck all, just like me. You don't know whose really in charge, the "illuminati" the large corporations, the government, the NWO, aliens controlling everybody, you don't know anything. You seem to be a reader of Terence Mckenna's work so here's a little quote.
"Conspiracy theory, in my humble opinion, is a kind of epistemological cartoon about reality. Isn't it so simple to believe that things are run by the greys, and that all we have to do is trade sufficient fetal tissue to them and then we can solve our technological problems, or isn't it comforting to believe that the Jews are behind everything, or the Communist Party, or the Catholic Church, or the Masons. Well, these are epistemological cartoons, it is kindergarten in the art of amateur historiography."

Here's another one that's quite appropriate.

"What blinds us, or what makes historical progress very difficult, is our lack of awareness of our ignorance. And [I think] that beliefs should be put aside, and that a psychedelic society would abandon belief systems in favor of direct experience and this is, I think much, of the problem of the modern dilemma, is that direct experience has been discounted and in its place all kind of belief systems have been erected... If you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing in the opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of this belief."

McKenna is awesome to quote. The second part of your first quote:

I believe that the truth of the matter is far more terrifying, that the real truth that dare not speak itself is that no one is in control, absolutely no one. This stuff is ruled by the equations of dynamics and chaos. There may be entities seeking control, but to seek control is to take enormous aggravation upon yourself.

At another conference he does admit that 'of course there are conspiracies,
plenty of them, it's just that none of them are succeeding'.

Even though I must add that I myself am also somewhat worried about what
is going on, globally, and frankly quite pissed off about a lot of it. I just don't
know how much is in order for a NWO and how much is just regular economics
and politics, like the way it has been done for a while, which is in my opinion
just the same outragous.

Originally Posted by imran_p

You're doing it again. Preaching about your conspiracy theories and psuedo sicence. What I'm asking you is, how you are so confident that the NWO exists, how long they've been planning this and your magical way of beating a global force powerful beyond our imagination? The way I see it there are those, (the majority) that simply believe what they are told by the government and large corporations, lies, and mistruths, told to trick the populace into obedience, they keep us busy with consumerist bullshit and distract us with trivial non-issues, like politics. Then there are others, that when realising this, decide to engorss themselves in conspiracy theories, instead, you need to admitt your own ingorance, you know fuck all, just like me. You don't know whose really in charge, the "illuminati" the large corporations, the government, the NWO, aliens controlling everybody, you don't know anything. You seem to be a reader of Terence Mckenna's work so here's a little quote.
"Conspiracy theory, in my humble opinion, is a kind of epistemological cartoon about reality. Isn't it so simple to believe that things are run by the greys, and that all we have to do is trade sufficient fetal tissue to them and then we can solve our technological problems, or isn't it comforting to believe that the Jews are behind everything, or the Communist Party, or the Catholic Church, or the Masons. Well, these are epistemological cartoons, it is kindergarten in the art of amateur historiography."

Evidence of a NWO huh.......*sigh* every time I do this, I'm accused of fear-mongering or something. Are you sure you don't want me to PM you this?

Also I didn't preach about anything, saying they were planning this for years does not mean I was preaching about a N.W.O. i don't even talk about the NWO, I just said something about it because that's what the topic is about. Right?


If you are truly interested in this, look up William "Bill" Cooper and his book "Behold a Pale Horse". He sites references and sources for all his claims. It's confirmed that he was also in the military too. Mind you, this guy was shot down by police officers right after 9/11. William Cooper is the one who said that there was going to be a terrorist attack on 9/11.

Spoiler for "William Cooper":

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

That is just the tip of the iceberg. Check out his book and you'll find out a lot more. The things in the book correlate to what's going on right now. If you want, I can send you the e-book, Just P.M. me

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Spoiler for "Psuedo":

Pseudoscience? You think David Bohm, helping build the first atomic bomb, and being considered as the best quantum physicists of all time, a pseudoscientist? His work shouldn't be taken seriously? Karl H. Pribram. Look them up. You don't hear about their theories in mainstream news, research them. It's not my fault that their work is not popular because their theories are saying the same truths which mystics have been saying. But that's exactly what should happen, science and spirituality come together.

And yes, Terrence McKenna was awesome.

The real secret of magic is that the world is made of words, and that if you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it whatever you wish.

If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.

* What blinds us, or what makes historical progress very difficult, is our lack of awareness of our ignorance. And [I think] that beliefs should be put aside, and that a psychedelic society would abandon belief systems [in favor of] direct experience and this is, I think much, of the problem of the modern dilemma, is that direct experience has been discounted and in its place all kind of belief systems have been erected... If you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing in the opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of this belief.

fuckin genius he is lol

Some of these replies are starting to piss me off. Everyone has there own beliefs based on what they have been told and feel is true, and I respect this and I think some of you guys don't and should. I feel what I know is true and if you don't then don't go posting in a simple attempt to make someone look or feel like an idiot. When the time comes, we'll all learn the truth, no matter how right or wrong we feel we or someone else is. As far as being preachy goes, I consider contradicting someone to any level as being preachy because you are trying to force your views on them, so please, to all who feel they need to go on internet forums just to make people try and relize how stupid they are, fuck off.

I'm afraid I've got to agree with Hard_Wired.

I believe the plot for the NWO probably exists. I don't think it will succeed. I also think, in part, that's a problem. You see, these nutjobs will never accept defeat. They will continue to cause death to millions and millions of people. Orchestrated "terrorist" bullshit. I hate to say this, but the more I think about this, the more I just say kill the fuckers.

They are insane. They really believe that their little plan for world domination will work, and they will literally destroy the world before that actually happens. There is, in my opinion, no way to accomplish this. This generation, while still completely ignorant and mindfucked in many ways, is actually starting to wake up.

But these elites, or the Illuminati, or whatever you want to call them, I don't think they realize that they can't win, and to me, that's even more dangerous than the prospect of a New World Order. They will just do MORE things to fuck the world over. I'm not worried about the NWO succeeding. Worst case, we'd still all be alive (probably). I'm worried about them failing, and not understanding that they have failed.

Do you understand how MUCH shit they actually run? How many puppets in high places they actually have? It's freaky dude.

And imran_p, I understand where you're coming from. Really I do. Look up my posts from about a year ago. Hard_Wired (or maybe it was someone else) was talking about this, and I slammed it down. I bashed, and flamed and called it all bullshit.

But then I started doing research. Not biased shit. Just cold hard facts that can be found on Government websites. Read up on what the Codex trade program is. A majority of your food and water is loaded with toxins. Flouride. Toxic. It's in almost every major cities tap water.

If you know how to test for chemicals on surfaces or in liquids, you can actually verify that one yourself. Just go to your sink. Fill your glass with tap water. Test it for hexaflouridine.

Just little things like that. They all add up. I really try not to jump to conclusions, but dude, there's not a lot of other things that this could be. I try not to jump to conclusions because doing that is exactly what got us into all of these fucked up world situations. Government told us shit and we went with it.

Just keep an open mind. I am VERY open to the idea that all of these crazy conspiracies happening are unrelated and completely isolated events. However, I also keep in mind that there really could be a plot for the NWO. I think everyone should just keep an open mind, and think about all of the things that are happening. Like I said, if it's true, simple awareness of said conspiracies will destroy their chances of success.

Can't you see how easily you got trapped? This is exactly what those people who you named WANTED.

You opened this thread all John Lennon like, and that is simply not appreciated when it comes from a pseudonym with an avatar.

It didn't take you long to say "fuck you", did it? Consider this as something you can definitely learn from, and start observing your own love that you give to people, which includes every single opponent possible as well.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

Some of these replies are starting to piss me off. Everyone has there own beliefs based on what they have been told and feel is true, and I respect this and I think some of you guys don't and should. I feel what I know is true and if you don't then don't go posting in a simple attempt to make someone look or feel like an idiot. When the time comes, we'll all learn the truth, no matter how right or wrong we feel we or someone else is. As far as being preachy goes, I consider contradicting someone to any level as being preachy because you are trying to force your views on them, so please, to all who feel they need to go on internet forums just to make people try and relize how stupid they are, fuck off.

Rainman, thank you, at least someone understands. I'm not trying to call anyone an idiot or anything..no one said anything like that im ran..

Cooper says that the people who orchestrate world events are a small group of people from every different race, religion , nationality, etc. that belong to the ancient Egyptian mystery schools and know the occult knowledge. Probably such things as the Law of Attraction.

Spreading info about the NWO is counterproductive I see now..that's why I don't talk about it anymore, cause the more you focus on it and fear it the more it becomes true.

Think about this: a large amount of people watching the nightly news channel, either local or national, especially local: they report a number of car accidents at a certain location, next thing you know, over the course of a month, the accidents increase, in and around that area. It's mass propaganda to make you observe or believe something consciously.

I'm pretty sure this NWO will not succeed. The only way it can succeed is if you allow it to...by focusing on it, or fearing it. Live everyday like it's your last.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

to all who feel they need to go on internet forums just to make people try and relize how stupid they are, fuck off.

so much for love.

......lulz

Folks it's all just a big game. One that is fun once you lose all fear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWZlvuVt04c