Thread: Telekinesis

I dismiss nothing right away. I am open to any idea. Just provide me with evidence.

Saying 'there is evidence' doesn't cut it. I've read that the data clearly shows that intention has no effect.

And you were the person who first mentioned mortality. So if it's a deviation then that's your fault, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Xei

There's no evidence that reality changes according to what we expect or desire.

Yea it does, look into the placebo effect..you can heal your own body if you really believe it or expect it.

In the placebo effect, a patient is given an inert sugar pill, told that it may improve his/her condition, but not told that it is in fact inert. Such an intervention may cause the patient to believe the treatment will change his/her condition; and this belief does indeed sometimes have a therapeutic effect, causing the patient's condition to improve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

This is how affirmations and subliminal messages/images work. The more you believe something subconsciously, the more it becomes true in reality.

Firstly, the placebo effect is something of a contentious issue. Some researchers think that the brain's expectation of healing can cause physiological changes which actually do aid the healing process, but others think that it is simply caused do the patients deluding themselves because of their positive expectations of the treatment.

But secondly, and most importantly; your inductive step is completely flawed. It wouldn't be particularly surprising if the workings of your brain could have an effect on your body, because the brain is attached to the body. The whole purpose of the brain is to make the body do things. That's completely different from the whole of reality, to which your brain is not causally connected.

Originally Posted by Xei

Some researchers think that the brain's expectation of healing can cause physiological changes which actually do aid the healing process, but others think that it is simply caused do the patients deluding themselves because of their positive expectations of the treatment.

That doesn't make sense.

Some researchers think that the brain's expectation of healing can cause physiological changes which actually do aid the healing process

but others think that it is simply caused do the patients deluding themselves because of their positive expectations of the treatment.

You just said the same thing in a different way.

From Mr. Emoto's work we're provided with hard evidence, that human vibrational energy, thoughts, words, ideas and music, affect the molecular structure of water, the very same water that comprises over seventy percent of a mature human body and covers the same amount of our planet. Water is the very source of all life on this planet, the quality and integrity are vitally important to all forms of life.

You just said the same thing in a different way.

...what the hell? :l

Real physiological changes due to brain.

False feeling of changes due to delusions.

They're completely different.

And if you read about that study you'll find that Mr. Emoto went through all the pictures and threw out all the ones which didn't match the thought and only chose the ones which looked like they did match the thought.

He even admitted himself that it wasn't science. And that's hard evidence..?

Also humans don't have 'vibrational energy'. Can you define what is meant by vibrational energy? And water molecules only have a single possible structure.