Thread: They Finally Found Their Excuse To Attack Iran?

What does Korea have that we want?

Another country to make
economically viable through american consumerism/materialism.

Control their minds with TV and american pop culture distraction; jobs with the dollar; and the way of western life compared to that of a Korean dictatorship is welcomed with open arms.

The dominance of the world will not come from just a iron fist
but with the subtle implementation of the one thing that equals true control---
the economy.

Originally Posted by Conforming

The dominance of the world will not come from just a iron fist
but with the subtle implementation of the one thing that equals true control---
the economy.
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So So true. I'm glad other people understand that.

They're pretty poor. I don't think they can afford much.

just give McCapitalists and Wal-Whores time to become benign in their country.
jobs usually follow.
then the 'standard of living' rises
and before ya know it, everyone wants a piece of that preverbial pie that they are promised by an unchecked and out of control system of 'infinate' capital.


on another note:
there is a minimum wage....why not a maximum?

Originally Posted by Conforming

there is a minimum wage....why not a maximum?
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That's been proposed; I think $100,000 was the figure a few years ago when Ralph Nader ran for president.

Yeah me too!

I also want an aneurysm for christmas...its all the rage these days

dictionary.com is a wonderful resource

I hope we don't go to war cause that would cause a draft and we don't need that.
I t would take all the men out of our country and get them killed and open us up to invasion. That would be bad.

The Iranian government does support terrorism, including insurgent terrorism in Iraq. Nobody is making that up. Add on top of that the fact that they are working on nuclear technology, and you can (if you open your mind) see why we see them as such a threat. Our diplomacy is not working. If we have to, we will replace them with a democratic system.

As for the wage maximum, we don't have it because it would be robbery and because it would take away the work incentives of the people who make things happen. With a $100 thousand salary cap, the computer you are using would not exist, for example. American success is rooted in the "capitalist pigs" the left hates with such severe passion while reaping the benefits of their obsessive greed. The success of the United States isn't just some bizarre fluke. Our capitalism is what makes it happen, and everybody here is benefitting from it. If it were taken away, it would greatly reduce the quality of your life. As I have said before, you don't have to be one of those greedy money-seeking missiles, but you should appreciate the benefits you get from their existence. I'm not one of them, but I'm glad they are there.

Originally Posted by King

Not really; the U.S. casualties in Iraq have been minimal - only approx. 3000 deaths. And the U.S. has a huge population base at 256 millions (last time I read, but most likely even more now), of which at least 30-50 millions would be able fighting, if not more. Besides, it would probably just require between 100.000 - 200.000 American soldiers in a campaign in Iran.
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Yea your right for the most part. The potential is still there for the US to lose most it's able bodied men.

There is a certain amount of social responsibility to be owned up to when
it comes to multi-millionaire's who receive salaries larger than the GDP of
some countries and on top of that receive, just as a holiday bonus, tens
of million more!

Capping the wage to a maximum is about capping production, so of course there
would be less of the 'luxuries' that we have come to know. I for one am glad that
we have certain things that keep us in a semi-comfortable state (indoor
plumbing, heating, etc.). I am proposing that people stop copping out saying that
they "deserve" to have it all simply beacuse they can. Capitalism is a pipe-dream
of eternal rewards, as if we should be so blind and dumb to not look past our
selfish pleasures of comfort and conveince and ask how much longer can this go
on for? How much longer until we are in such a state of dis-repair that we have no
choice but to reduce our standard of living? "Oh but i'll be dead by then"
Of course it won't be the rich who reduce THEIR standard of living, but the
middle class and below who will suffer.

The greedy in this world need to stop asking can we, and worry about should we.
Social responsibility, one of the factors that it takes to have a democracy and
also allows for a capitalist society.
The seeds of its own destruction come sewn with its birth

"There is enough in this world for everyones needs, but not for everyones greed"
-Ghandi

Originally Posted by Universal

The Iranian government does support terrorism, including insurgent terrorism in Iraq. Nobody is making that up. Add on top of that the fact that they are working on nuclear technology, and you can (if you open your mind) see why we see them as such a threat. Our diplomacy is not working. If we have to, we will replace them with a democratic system.

As for the wage maximum, we don't have it because it would be robbery and because it would take away the work incentives of the people who make things happen. With a $100 thousand salary cap, the computer you are using would not exist, for example. American success is rooted in the "capitalist pigs" the left hates with such severe passion while reaping the benefits of their obsessive greed. The success of the United States isn't just some bizarre fluke. Our capitalism is what makes it happen, and everybody here is benefitting from it. If it were taken away, it would greatly reduce the quality of your life. As I have said before, you don't have to be one of those greedy money-seeking missiles, but you should appreciate the benefits you get from their existence. I'm not one of them, but I'm glad they are there.
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Iran wouldn't stand a chance even if they did develop a decent amount of nuclear weapons, and I believe they know that. I think the only reason they would, if they actually are, would be to try and gain a position where they can atleast bargain without threats of invasion, or of repeats of various false flag operations the US used to bait Iran into war.

As for quality of life, if quality of live means driving a giant polluting Ford 4x4 or something, rather than a generic family car, or subscribing to cable TV instead of terrestrial, or whatever, I think America could do without the worst end of its capitalism. Too many monopolies, and if they keep it up, I think eventually they'll come face-to-face with a country that is too big to be pushed around, unlike the current middle-east target ranges.

I think its generally all incredibly unfair, without the west trying to start more wars with countries that dont stand a chance

Originally Posted by Wolffe

Iran wouldn't stand a chance even if they did develop a decent amount of nuclear weapons, and I believe they know that. I think the only reason they would, if they actually are, would be to try and gain a position where they can atleast bargain without threats of invasion, or of repeats of various false flag operations the US used to bait Iran into war.
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The worry is not that Iran would go to war with us. The worry is that they would get nuclear weapons into the hands of Al Qaeda, Hezballah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, etc. That is something that can never happen. It is the same worry we had with the Hussein regime regarding other WMD's and future nukes, which they had a history of working on.

How should a nation responsibly deal with a threat?

Invasion will make worse feelings toward the invaders by those invaded or those who are sympathetic toward hte invaded.
To not invade is to also leave oneself open to an invasion of some sort, and allow your enemy to group thereby becoming more powerful even more able to harm you internally.

These people are determined to take the US down, they need to be dealt with, and not at a cost that will weaken America.

China will bide their time waiting for a vulnerability and then they may decide to attack us if we grow week. War is a very delicate situation and should not be taken lightly.

Originally Posted by Universal

As for the wage maximum, we don't have it because it would be robbery and because it would take away the work incentives of the people who make things happen. With a $100 thousand salary cap, the computer you are using would not exist, for example. American success is rooted in the "capitalist pigs" the left hates with such severe passion while reaping the benefits of their obsessive greed. .
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Nobody said they were for it! Well except Ralph Nader.

(Sorry I didn't read all the posts. Never mind.)

Originally Posted by Ne

I say the U.S. Should Invade Iran. We invaded all the other small fries, and why stop there. After we're done there, we should move straight over to N. Korea and teach them a thing or two. Then turn back around and head over to Syria and bust some serious Caps in some Syrias Asses. But why stop there? We should then take a trip over to Pakistan and just bumrush through them just because they were in the way while we were heading to China to open up a serious can of Whoop-Ass on them. Maybe it's time for a break, but not before we invade all of the Palestinian territories, because as you can see, we love pounding on the small fry. We would probably attack cuba as well because that's been in the top 10 of our things to do list for a while. Then we would hit Australia just because they don't ever get involved in shit, so we are going to involve them in some kind of shit rather they like it or not. After we're done in the land down under we will probably look for a reason to attack Pakistan so we will blame them for hiding Osama bin Laden all this time and thats good enough reason to get in there and start the conversion. Mother Russia will be next in line because it's been a while since we had some static with a large country. By that time Earth wars will probably be to boring to continue, because it's the same ole' shit just a different location. So we are going to kick it up a notch and search the galaxies looking for some little green men to stomp on, just because they are green... And ummm little. So the saga continues..
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I honestly believe, that if you used those very words in an electoral speech,
you'd actually win!
lol

Lets be honest its not the current government
its the system
the Free Market Capitalism employed in the US requires War
The xpansion of the golorious rather costly Free Market.
The US has a history of meddling in Middle Eastern politics and quite specifically Iranian politics.
Ive dsicussed on the board before the only reasons why there is even an Ilamic Republic in place in Iran
the US overthrow of Dr. Mossadeq, and his pro-Western succesor Shah Reza Pahlavi
It all stems back to Mossadeqs nationalization of the countries oil supplies.
Once again, the actions are motivated by the need to sustain and expand the golrious free market.
Imran

Originally Posted by King

I can't imagine the U.S. that has the best military in the World suffering signicifiant casualties against the Iranians who are inferior in both technology and training. There is of course a possibility of it happening, but judging by the strenght of the two nations' militaries, the U.S. would win with few casualties.
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Just like how they 'won' in Iraq? And are continuing to 'win' for like 4 years now. The mission keeps getting more and more accomplished then just plain accomplished!

Originally Posted by Neruo

Just like how they 'won' in Iraq? And are continuing to 'win' for like 4 years now. The mission keeps getting more and more accomplished then just plain accomplished!
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A new government is in power. Victory. We accomplished that and have kept it there for years, with only 3 thousand casualties. Eventually, that government will not need us there to keep it in power. Victory.