Thread: 'Trophy' video shows contractors killing random civilians

I hate people sometimes.....They are so ugly. Killing people at all (much less for no good reason) is a terrible thing...

Except for when they really need to be killed.


Which is "generally"

Well, when it's unavoidable, I can understand, but when it isn't...It saddens me.

A prime example of people that shouldn't have guns.

I was thinking we should give 'em more, bigger, better guns.

You're all armchair quarterbacking without having been there, or having any idea what the entire situation entails.

Originally posted by Gwendolyn
Well, when it's unavoidable, I can understand, but when it isn't...It saddens me.

How do you know it's unavoidable before it's too late?

Originally posted by kimpossible
I was thinking we should give 'em more, bigger, better guns.

You're all armchair quarterbacking without having been there, or having any idea what the entire situation entails.

and you're not? I'm not making a comment about the middle east, I'm making a comment about your deity: GUNS!

I'm simply commenting on the armchair quarterbacking, and therefore, gainsaying whatever anyone else says.

While sometimes it might be unavoidable to shoot civilians, surely you'd want to keep it to a minimum. Everytime a civilian is killed - no matter what the circumstances - it would provide the insurgents with even more breath for recruitment. Kind of ironic seeing as they themselves aren't exactly too worried who they kill, but that's the way things happen when you occupy a country.

In this conflict: What's a civilian? The one that doesn't detonate when they come running at you?

Personally, if it moves towards me, I'm squeezing the trigger. If it doesn't move towards me - I'm probably squeezing the trigger.

You get lottsa chances to be wrong if you squeeze early and squeeze often. You only get one chance to be wrong the other way.

Bugger me !!!
sometimes it's unavoidable to shoot civilians

are you lot right in the head?
they're driving around, listening to Elvis Presley, shooting a rifle out the car window.

how, the fuck, is that unavoidable !!

These are not millitary
these are security contractors

Maybe this should be shifted to Extended Discussion, because it's certainly going to end up that way.

Um, yeah I didn't mean "unavoidable" as in accidentally letting a few rounds fly into a crowd, "whoopsy that was unavoidable." I meant that in any armed conflict it is inevitable that civilians are going to be killed. My point was that this happens in all forms of war, therefore it should be avoided wherever humanely possible.

Originally posted by kimpossible
In this conflict: What's a civilian? The one that doesn't detonate when they come running at you?

Valid point - when fighting an insurgency the lines become blurred. If you are not prepared to make the effort - if the civilians are that worthless - then you have to question why you'd bother all that effort 'liberating' those very same civilians.

I was wondering when this thread was going to start getting some heat.

Moved to extended discussion. Have fun arguing, but keep it at least somewhat clean.

I feel pretty shaken by that video. Can you image just trying to get to work, and you see some vehicle with a sign on it up ahead, but you can't read it or you don't notice it, and all of a sudden your getting split open by bullets. Your parents, your children, or your brothers and sisters dead because they mistakenly got too close to a 'security' vehicle. Killing innocent people to the tune of Elvis Presley seems pretty insane to me. I sure hope they were all insurgents, however, I don't think that's true.

What can you say?

If you're in an active warzone, and you're "not noticing" signage - then you are entirely tooo stupid to live anyway.

I don't know the whole story. I would like to hear from the guards who did the shooting. If the civilians were in a territory where they weren't supposed to be, then they were playing dangerous games with the paranoia of people in very freaky positions, but if the guards were just getting their jollies, they are no better than the terrorist scum that is killing civilians in the ineffective name of trying to prevent Iraq from successfully becoming a self-sufficient democracy. I despise what the Hussein regime did to the people of Iraq and what that government would have continued to do to the people of Iraq for the rest of history had they not been overthrown. I would hate for Coalition troops to be engaging in the same types of unnecessary murder. I want Iraq to be a prospering center of freedom and happiness, and shooting civilians for kicks goes against that. But a lot of craziness and confusion is going to have to happen first. Civilians need to understand what our militaries are having to deal with and behave accordingly.

its SOP to fire at cars that get to close. Normal you fire at the ground in from of them or over there heads. if they keep coming then you either put a grenade down in front an if they keep coming you kill em or get blown up an make the 6pm news.

The music dont mean nothing.

Its possible the killings were legit. Also they could be cowboys either way war suck!
An for western privite contractors in Iraq if they get captured its 50,000USD reward to the captor so I read. But they make $600USD per day working the jobs thats more than the Chief of Staff! crazy uh!

I dont think those guys wanted to kill them ppl in the cars for nothing. Come on its a war zone. If it was me Id have shoot those cars at the range they were at to stay alive.